WTF? US forces in Iraq now using Snipers to enforce Law And Order

[BOBDN]

What happened to WMD and nukes and Al Qaeda and drone planes attacking our cities?

Those reasons don't matter? Only "We're there because our Commander in Chief ordered us to go there"?

That's ridiculous. He lied. There were impeachable offenses committed. During the '90s conservatives insisted on a full investigation that cost about $64 MILLION and came up with nothing. Why the change now?

You're against big government doing whatever it wants, what about THIS government?

Ridiculous hypocrites.

 

[Matt2]

This entire thread is soldier bashing. Established rules of engagement are being questioned by people who the closest they've been to combat is BF1942 for crying out loud.

I dont support Regime Change. I support the troops who are there and doing a fantastic job at the crappy situation they were put in. My dad is the XO of a Marine rifle company. Do u think he likes to kick down doors and look at Iraqi people scared sh1tless huddled in the corner through his night vision? No, but it's what needs to be done to accomplish the mission in Iraq, capture Saddam Hussein, find WMDs, capture other top tier personel.

Those objectives may seem ludicris to you, but it's what the troops face and they are going to do everything in there power to accomplish their mission.

So instead of threads saying "WTF? US forces in Iraq now using Snipers to enforce Law And Order" I'd rather see threads saying "WTF bush is a moron" That thread of course in no way should question the acts of US Soldiers (unless of course they commit murder or something) but should question why they are there and why Bush Sr. didnt use a condom.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Matt2
This entire thread is soldier bashing. Established rules of engagement are being questioned by people who the closest they've been to combat is BF1942 for crying out loud.

I dont support Regime Change. I support the troops who are there and doing a fantastic job at the crappy situation they were put in. My dad is the XO of a Marine rifle company. Do u think he likes to kick down doors and look at Iraqi people scared sh1tless huddled in the corner through his night vision? No, but it's what needs to be done to accomplish the mission in Iraq, capture Saddam Hussein, find WMDs, capture other top tier personel.

Those objectives may seem ludicris to you, but it's what the troops face and they are going to do everything in there power to accomplish their mission.

So instead of threads saying "WTF? US forces in Iraq now using Snipers to enforce Law And Order" I'd rather see threads saying "WTF bush is a moron" That thread of course in no way should question the acts of US Soldiers (unless of course they commit murder or something) but should question why they are there and why Bush Sr. didnt use a condom.

So you're a Bush basher? Do you support the Bush administration in its invasion of Iraq?

 

[Warin]

Dude, calm down..

I havent seen a single person on this thread wishing death or destruction on US troops.

A fellow forum goer from a different forum got called up. It was only when I saw the story about the guy getting shot in the back of the head at Baghdad U that I realized he was from the same town as my friend. Which means that he's on the ground right there along with all these other guys.

I dont fault a single troop in Iraq for doing their job as they were told to by guys like Rumsfeld and Bush. I do fault Bush for what is going on, so when I criticise the war or any actions in the war, it is not meant as a condemnation of the troops.

As for this topic... I am torn. I they had tried to break up an arrest people, there would likely have been a blood bath, both Iraqi and American. I might find sniping people distasteful, especially when they were not an imminent threat, but the alternative would likely not have been a really good thing.

 

[BOBDN]

And PS genius. One more time nice and slow.

No one here is bashing the troops. We all support the troops. Bashing Bush does not = bashing troops.

For God's sake the jerk is a draft dodger.

 

[Matt2]

I am not a bush basher. I am enlisted in the Armed Forces for crying out loud.

My personal belief is that Bush sent our troops to Iraq for the wrong reasons, it was a personal vendetta, he finished what his father started. That said, I support the invasion and our troops 100% in getting the job done. I think Iraq is now a better place and now has a future thanks to GWB.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I am not a bush basher. I am enlisted in the Armed Forces for crying out loud.

My personal belief is that Bush sent our troops to Iraq for the wrong reasons, it was a personal vendetta, he finished what his father started. That said, I support the invasion and our troops 100% in getting the job done. I think Iraq is now a better place and now has a future thanks to GWB.

So by that logic we should allow a president to use US troops to invade a foreign nation on false pretences and just forget about it?

What about the practices of the Republicans during the Clinton years. They were warned back then they were making new standards of accountability and partisan attacks on the executive branch by the legislative. Why are the standards back to pre-Clinton now?

He lied. Our troops are putting their lives on the line due to his lies. Impeach the son-of-a-bitch.

 

[Zebo]

This entire thread is soldier bashing.

Show me. Or at least show me where I did? You won't find it period... You and others make the common mistake of mistakes by command being critized as soldier bashing. This is BS. Learn to differentiate. Now if they pull some MyLai stuff I will bash them and call for court marshals i bet you would too.

 

[BOBDN]

I started the WTF Bush is a moron thread at your request, Matt2.

It's here.

 

[Matt2]

You cannot impeach him, he had congressional approval to use military force in Iraq.

And you guys are wrong, soldier bashing has gone on in here.

The actions of members of the 4th infantry division have been questioned numerous times in here. "They should have arrested them." "Sniping is distasteful" "Iraqis can roam the streets with full auto weapons" "so now theyc an just shoot anybody in the head"

Little comments like that, that make them sound like mindless, thoughtless murderers.

No, we should not allow him to use troops to invade foreign countries. But like I said above, not only did our elected president authorize military force, five hundred and fifty something congressman also approved it.

 

[Warin]

Congress approved the action in Iraq based on lies and deception coupled with fear mongering.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Matt2
You cannot impeach him, he had congressional approval to use military force in Iraq.

And you guys are wrong, soldier bashing has gone on in here.

The actions of members of the 4th infantry division have been questioned numerous times in here. "They should have arrested them." "Sniping is distasteful" "Iraqis can roam the streets with full auto weapons" "so now theyc an just shoot anybody in the head"

Little comments like that, that make them sound like mindless, thoughtless murderers.

No, we should not allow him to use troops to invade foreign countries. But like I said above, not only did our elected president authorize military force, five hundred and fifty something congressman also approved it.

He lied to Congress to gain approval.

No soldier bashing has gone on here. Show us where.

They are being ordered to do so. They are trained to be mindless thoughtless murders. Only a very special few succeed.

And again, our selected president lied to Congress on national security issues in order to invade a nation which was no threat to us. He concocted evidence to make them appear a threat. Don't blame Congress that's ridiculous. It was Bush who made up the evidence and lied to Congress that has cost the lives of hundreds of our soldiers and thousands of Iraqis and continues to cost more lives daily. Along with America's credibility. And $4 BILLION per month plus the $70 BILLION appropriated by Congress last spring (hell, this kinda' dough could have taken care of Social Security, Medicare and aided the states through the Bush economic crisis). All for lies. Impeach the no good liar.

 

[Matt2]

I just gave you examples of some of the things that have been said.

I am not blaming congress, I am simply pointing out the fact that he had the approval of the American people to invade Iraq. Confgressmen supposedly represent the people btw, just to clear that one up....

So impeaching him will not work because he can say, the WMDs are there, we just havent found them and no one can prove him wrong.

 

[SuperTool]

Big fvcking deal. What you can't question US soldiers' tactics anymore? While my taxes are paying their wages, putting food on their tables, and buying them those sniper rifles in the first place, I sure as hell can ask what they do with those. And I think they should not be shooting people just for buying an AK-47. It will turn the populace against us, and not really accomplish anything, because the resisters will move their arms deals underground.

 

[Warin]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I just gave you examples of some of the things that have been said.

I am not blaming congress, I am simply pointing out the fact that he had the approval of the American people to invade Iraq. Confgressmen supposedly represent the people btw, just to clear that one up....

So impeaching him will not work because he can say, the WMDs are there, we just havent found them and no one can prove him wrong.

Considering that he told Congress they knew what there was and where it was, I'd say there was some lyinh going on. Considering that everything that has been 'found' so far has turned out to NOT be WMD, I'd say there was some deception going on.

But, people like you show Bush that he can lie and deceive and nothing will ever happen.

So much for accountability.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Warin

Originally posted by: Matt2
I just gave you examples of some of the things that have been said.

I am not blaming congress, I am simply pointing out the fact that he had the approval of the American people to invade Iraq. Confgressmen supposedly represent the people btw, just to clear that one up....

So impeaching him will not work because he can say, the WMDs are there, we just havent found them and no one can prove him wrong.

Considering that he told Congress they knew what there was and where it was, I'd say there was some lyinh going on. Considering that everything that has been 'found' so far has turned out to NOT be WMD, I'd say there was some deception going on.

But, people like you show Bush that he can lie and deceive and nothing will ever happen.

So much for accountability.

He hasnt decieved me, I already stated a couple of times, that he went in for the wrong reasons.

Of course there was lying, but it cant be proven, that is my point. Without proof, it's just gonna be:

Congressman: president Bush, why did u lie to us? Why are there no WMD?

Bush: He moved them, they're in hiding

What can be said to prove Bush wrong?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Warin

Originally posted by: Matt2
I just gave you examples of some of the things that have been said.

I am not blaming congress, I am simply pointing out the fact that he had the approval of the American people to invade Iraq. Confgressmen supposedly represent the people btw, just to clear that one up....

So impeaching him will not work because he can say, the WMDs are there, we just havent found them and no one can prove him wrong.

Considering that he told Congress they knew what there was and where it was, I'd say there was some lyinh going on. Considering that everything that has been 'found' so far has turned out to NOT be WMD, I'd say there was some deception going on.

But, people like you show Bush that he can lie and deceive and nothing will ever happen.

So much for accountability.

He hasnt decieved me, I already stated a couple of times, that he went in for the wrong reasons.

Of course there was lying, but it cant be proven, that is my point. Without proof, it's just gonna be:

Congressman: president Bush, why did u lie to us? Why are there no WMD?

Bush: He moved them, they're in hiding

What can be said to prove Bush wrong?

"There was lying, but it can't be proven" WTF?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If the Iraqis didn't have all those guns at home their government might seize power and they could get some terrible dictator like they got in...in.... in Syria.

hehe

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: Warin

Originally posted by: Matt2
I just gave you examples of some of the things that have been said.

I am not blaming congress, I am simply pointing out the fact that he had the approval of the American people to invade Iraq. Confgressmen supposedly represent the people btw, just to clear that one up....

So impeaching him will not work because he can say, the WMDs are there, we just havent found them and no one can prove him wrong.

Considering that he told Congress they knew what there was and where it was, I'd say there was some lyinh going on. Considering that everything that has been 'found' so far has turned out to NOT be WMD, I'd say there was some deception going on.

But, people like you show Bush that he can lie and deceive and nothing will ever happen.

So much for accountability.

He hasnt decieved me, I already stated a couple of times, that he went in for the wrong reasons.

Of course there was lying, but it cant be proven, that is my point. Without proof, it's just gonna be:

Congressman: president Bush, why did u lie to us? Why are there no WMD?

Bush: He moved them, they're in hiding

What can be said to prove Bush wrong?

Bush can prove Bush wrong. His statements are unequivocal. He lied to congress and the American people to start a war. Period.

"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons."
United Nations Address
September 12, 2002
"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."
"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."
Radio Address
October 5, 2002
"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons."
"We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."
"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States."
"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" - his nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
October 7, 2002
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

 

[UltraQuiet]

They are trained to be mindless thoughtless murders

You can go fsck yourself. You know as much about military training as you do everything else. Which is to say nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Military training includes the knowledge required to break things and kill people. It does not include "mindless thoughtless murder". Not that I expect some c0cksucker like you, who's sole contribution to society is running his ballwasher on an internet forum, to be able to understand the difference.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

They are trained to be mindless thoughtless murders

You can go fsck yourself. You know as much about military training as you do everything else. Which is to say nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Military training includes the knowledge required to break things and kill people. It does not include "mindless thoughtless murder". Not that I expect some c0cksucker like you, who's sole contribution to society is running his ballwasher on an internet forum, to be able to understand the difference.

You are a prime example of mindless thoughtlessness. Must be your military training.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

They are trained to be mindless thoughtless murders

You can go fsck yourself. You know as much about military training as you do everything else. Which is to say nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Military training includes the knowledge required to break things and kill people. It does not include "mindless thoughtless murder". Not that I expect some c0cksucker like you, who's sole contribution to society is running his ballwasher on an internet forum, to be able to understand the difference.

You are a prime example of mindless thoughtlessness. Must be your military training.

You are the prime example of the idiotic, red-faced, ranting, retarded moron who does nothing but scream about sh!t you know nothing about. Come back when you've actually contributed something to the country, the world or society in general. Sitting on your fat-ass at home screaming about it isn't a contribution, it's just a rationalization of uselessness by the terminallly worthless.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

They are trained to be mindless thoughtless murders

You can go fsck yourself. You know as much about military training as you do everything else. Which is to say nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Military training includes the knowledge required to break things and kill people. It does not include "mindless thoughtless murder". Not that I expect some c0cksucker like you, who's sole contribution to society is running his ballwasher on an internet forum, to be able to understand the difference.

You are a prime example of mindless thoughtlessness. Must be your military training.

You are the prime example of the idiotic, red-faced, ranting, retarded moron who does nothing but scream about sh!t you know nothing about. Come back when you've actually contributed something to the country, the world or society in general. Sitting on your fat-ass at home screaming about it isn't a contribution, it's just a rationalization of uselessness by the terminallly worthless.

Uh, you're the one getting all red-faced with your personal attacks.......'cause your ideas are all BS.

Why not get your gun and go to Iraq? Work out some of that aggression. Kill a few innocent civilians. Maybe a few of your own troops. You're probably incompetent enough to handle shooting your own troops in friendly fire accidents. But not much good for anything else.

You are a disgrace to the USA, the military, and yourself.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

They are trained to be mindless thoughtless murders

You can go fsck yourself. You know as much about military training as you do everything else. Which is to say nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Military training includes the knowledge required to break things and kill people. It does not include "mindless thoughtless murder". Not that I expect some c0cksucker like you, who's sole contribution to society is running his ballwasher on an internet forum, to be able to understand the difference.

You are a prime example of mindless thoughtlessness. Must be your military training.

You are the prime example of the idiotic, red-faced, ranting, retarded moron who does nothing but scream about sh!t you know nothing about. Come back when you've actually contributed something to the country, the world or society in general. Sitting on your fat-ass at home screaming about it isn't a contribution, it's just a rationalization of uselessness by the terminallly worthless.

Uh, you're the one getting all red-faced with your personal attacks.......'cause your ideas are all BS.

Why not get your gun and go to Iraq? Work out some of that aggression. Kill a few innocent civilians. Maybe a few of your own troops. You're probably incompetent enough to handle shooting your own troops in friendly fire accidents. But not much good for anything else.

You are a disgrace to the USA, the military, and yourself.

Why don't you just do something, period. I mean what exactly is your contribution? Screaming about Bush on a web site? Calling for his removal? Calling for impeachment? You can't even form a coherent sentence, let alone get up off your ass and actually doing something.
Tell us what exactly is your contribution to this country, the world or to society? Have you ever done anything? Or are you just as pathetic as you appear to be, doing nothing but running your mouth (about sh!t you know nothing about) on the internet?

Oh and your last sentence brings into specific relief the extent of your ignorance. I can point with specificity as to how I've positively contributed to both the country and the military and I'm hardly a disgrace. How about you? Ever contributed? 'Bout time for you to put up or shut up I think.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

They are trained to be mindless thoughtless murders

You can go fsck yourself. You know as much about military training as you do everything else. Which is to say nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Military training includes the knowledge required to break things and kill people. It does not include "mindless thoughtless murder". Not that I expect some c0cksucker like you, who's sole contribution to society is running his ballwasher on an internet forum, to be able to understand the difference.

You are a prime example of mindless thoughtlessness. Must be your military training.

You are the prime example of the idiotic, red-faced, ranting, retarded moron who does nothing but scream about sh!t you know nothing about. Come back when you've actually contributed something to the country, the world or society in general. Sitting on your fat-ass at home screaming about it isn't a contribution, it's just a rationalization of uselessness by the terminallly worthless.

Uh, you're the one getting all red-faced with your personal attacks.......'cause your ideas are all BS.

Why not get your gun and go to Iraq? Work out some of that aggression. Kill a few innocent civilians. Maybe a few of your own troops. You're probably incompetent enough to handle shooting your own troops in friendly fire accidents. But not much good for anything else.

You are a disgrace to the USA, the military, and yourself.

Why don't you just do something, period. I mean what exactly is your contribution? Screaming about Bush on a web site? Calling for his removal? Calling for impeachment? You can't even form a coherent sentence, let alone get up off your ass and actually doing something.
Tell us what exactly is your contribution to this country, the world or to society? Have you ever done anything? Or are you just as pathetic as you appear to be, doing nothing but running your mouth (about sh!t you know nothing about) on the internet?

Oh and your last sentence brings into specific relief the extent of your ignorance. I can point with specificity as to how I've positively contributed to both the country and the military and I'm hardly a disgrace. How about you? Ever contributed? 'Bout time for you to put up or shut up I think.

I'm here on the internet just like you are. What's your reason? Defending Bush and his lies. Period. What's the matter? Don't like anyone who disagrees with you to be able to express their opinion? Typical military mindset. Let me clue you in, this isn't the military.

You are a complete reactionary. This is what you call a contribution?

Your "contribution" to the country consists of joining the military to get a pay check. You did it for the money and most likely because you aren't worth a damn outside the military. Some people were just born to follow orders. Get a real job and do something other than living off the government dole and learning how to destroy liberty. You vapid, blind, self righteous, pompous jerk.