WTF! - Texas bill would mandate Christianity in public schools.

[Moonbeam]

Remember, it was you who stated blame is another form of ignorance.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...come-to-arkansas-rescue.2611726/post-40982624

Christian’s in this country, and yes they’re considered Christian’s , have no intention of including other religions in their push for theocracy.

Yes which is exactly why I will try no to blame him so I don't also blame me.

I know perfectly well what so called Christians intend and have been pointing it out for years. They have the disease of certainty that what they believe is the good is actually what the good is. They have been programmed and do not have free will. They can't be blamed for this because they did not program themselves or cause the pain that broke them as children.

Be nice to broken people. You also suffer needlessly.

 

[HomerJS]

Here's a simple breakdown as to the agenda of the right. I love listening to this guy because he's good at dumbing it down but still entertaining. BTW - Some of us have said the same thing. Lesson of the day, you have been warned.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yes which is exactly why I will try no to blame him so I don't also blame me.

I know perfectly well what so called Christians intend and have been pointing it out for years. They have the disease of certainty that what they believe is the good is actually what the good is. They have been programmed and do not have free will. They can't be blamed for this because they did not program themselves or cause the pain that broke them as children.

Be nice to broken people. You also suffer needlessly.

So then you agree with others that view the TX ruling to put Christianity back in public schools as a problem, and government catering to one religion

 

[ch33zw1z]

You know perfectly well that my interest in guns is that self defense is such an integral part of human nature and that the Democratic party is so much better for the country that opposition to gun ownership makes Democrats face unnecessary obstacles to being elected. The same thing applies to their immature understanding of the real significance of religion. But sadly, like Republicans, when it comes to their emotional attachment to sacred cows they are as unreachable as Republicans, deaf, dumb, and blind to the core, and equally as victim mentality defensive.

Sorry, wrote this yesterday and failed to post it.

You’ve exhibited emotional attach to both here on these forums. It’s where you’ve shown your humanity.

 

[Moonbeam]

So then you agree with others that view the TX ruling to put Christianity back in public schools as a problem, and government catering to one religion

Absolutely. I also think that putting the Ten Commandments in schools is a reach in that direction but not the same as full blown teaching Christianity in class. I personally don't think they will succeed in going that far. I think that would be so blatantly unconstitutional it would not survive even in the Supreme Court. I also believe the more Republicans attempt to do it the fewer of them will be elected.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Absolutely. I also think that putting the Ten Commandments in schools is a reach in that direction but not the same as full blown teaching Christianity in class. I personally don't think they will succeed in going that far. I think that would be so blatantly unconstitutional it would not survive even in the Supreme Court. I also believe the more Republicans attempt to do it the fewer of them will be elected.

We can hope for these things, but it's a wait a see.

I had to ask this question due to how you hand waived away the ten commandments being displayed in the class. The hair you were splitting was bore from the "no true scotsman" fallacy.

 

[Moonbeam]

You’ve exhibited emotional attach to both here on these forums. It’s where you’ve shown your humanity.

I am rather passionate about improving the quality of human life and believe that politically Democrats are better for that purpose than Republicans. I am, therefore, dedicated to putting my two cents in on how best to keep Democrats from adopting political stances that damage their chances at being elected, militant atheism and banning weapons used for self defense being two of them. To me that is just being rational. I am very much in line with the Tyson video above except the God he can't find evidence for doesn't exist. As I have said God is only in a God conscious state. Awareness of God has nothing to do with whether He is good or all powerful. Are you all good or all powerful? I don't think so, but what is consciousness. Is it real? If not, I would say nothing is.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I am rather passionate about improving the quality of human life and believe that politically Democrats are better for that purpose than Republicans. I am, therefore, dedicated to putting my two cents in on how best to keep Democrats from adopting political stances that damage their chances at being elected, militant atheism and banning weapons used for self defense being two of them. To me that is just being rational. I am very much in line with the Tyson video above except the God he can't find evidence for doesn't exist. As I have said God is only in a God conscious state. Awareness of God has nothing to do with whether He is good or all powerful. Are you all good or all powerful? I don't think so, but what is consciousness. Is it real? If not, I would say nothing is.

You've shown emotional attachment to these two topics, revealing how truly enlightened you really are.

It's pretty odd that someone who wants to improve quality of life would have emotional attachments to:

1. physical items designed to end life
2. ideas that have historically been used to forcefully, and violently, subdue the masses.

For most people, real is what our senses tell us is real. This is why people cling to things like religion, while others simply cannot. It's just chemical reactions fueling perceptions. Other's will require more tangible, reproducible, verifiable information.

We're all human under the cover, even you.

 

[Moonbeam]

We can hope for these things, but it's a wait a see.

I had to ask this question due to how you hand waived away the ten commandments being displayed in the class. The hair you were splitting was bore from the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

Yes, I know. But if Christianity is the dead husk of the teachings of a true god conscious individual designed to help others achieve that state themselves, than any who worship the husk and lack the God conscious experience will not know the true experience of what Christianity was designed to offer. But this will only be known by those who have had the true God conscious experience true Christians.

In the case of the true Scotsman fallacy the aim is to deny evidence, a Scotsman who eats porridge isn't a true Scotsman if he eats it anyway. The intent is to deny evidence that disproves a case. But what makes one Christian different than another is whether there has been a transformation of conscious awareness. You can prove someone is a Scotsman by birthplace of blood and you can see if he or she eats porridge. You can't see the content of the consciousness of another person but if you have experiences of different conscious states you may be able to personally tell the difference.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yes, I know. But if Christianity is the dead husk of the teachings of a true god conscious individual designed to help others achieve that state themselves, than any who worship the husk and lack the God conscious experience will not know the true experience of what Christianity was designed to offer. But this will only be known by those who have had the true God conscious experience true Christians.

In the case of the true Scotsman fallacy the aim is to deny evidence, a Scotsman who eats porridge isn't a true Scotsman if he eats it anyway. The intent is to deny evidence that disproves a case. But what makes one Christian different than another is whether there has been a transformation of conscious awareness. You can prove someone is a Scotsman by birthplace of blood and you can see if he or she eats porridge. You can't see the content of the consciousness of another person but if you have experiences of different conscious states you may be able to personally tell the difference.

That's all well and good, and as I stated earlier completely inconsequential to how our government views Christians in this country. Our government will never go around searching for "True Christians". It's not a thing that will happen. As far as we're concerned, Christians are those who profess belief, and they will be afforded any benefits our governing bodies offer.

This isn't a philosophical debate. I personally have moved on from stating what you have here, because it simply doesn't matter.

 

[Moonbeam]

You've shown emotional attachment to these two topics, revealing how truly enlightened you really are.

It's pretty odd that someone who wants to improve quality of life would have emotional attachments to:

1. physical items designed to end life
2. ideas that have historically been used to forcefully, and violently, subdue the masses.

For most people, real is what our senses tell us is real. This is why people cling to things like religion, while others simply cannot. It's just chemical reactions fueling perceptions. Other's will require more tangible, reproducible, verifiable information.

We're all human under the cover, even you.

I guess I just don't get this emotional human enlightened thingi. I don't get why I should be worried about being emotional or human or enlightened or not. Are we in some kind of competition? I suppose I can sympathize. There must be at least two or three people on the planet that know more than I do.

 

[Moonbeam]

That's all well and good, and as I stated earlier completely inconsequential to how our government views Christians in this country. Our government will never go around searching for "True Christians". It's not a thing that will happen. As far as we're concerned, Christians are those who profess belief, and they will be afforded any benefits our governing bodies offer.

This isn't a philosophical debate. I personally have moved on from stating what you have here, because it simply doesn't matter.

As I said earlier. The government isn't reading this forum. I am completely inconsequential to it. I only can reach a few liberals here on this forum. I am suggesting to those I can that going after guns and religion lessens liberal chances to win at the polls. You don't have to see things like the government does. Maybe if you agree you can persuade someone else.

 

[ch33zw1z]

As I said earlier. The government isn't reading this forum. I am completely inconsequential to it. I only can reach a few liberals here on this forum. I am suggesting to those I can that going after guns and religion lessens liberal chances to win at the polls. You don't have to see things like the government does. Maybe if you agree you can persuade someone else.

Liberals aren’t “going after” guns and religion. Both are widely available in our country.

What you seem to be ignoring is how popular policies on the Democrat side really are with the American people.

My point here, after you tried to exclude modern Christian’s from their professed religious preference, is that the government doesn’t care if they’re “real Christian’s” or not. So that is completely inconsequential. You thought otherwise earlier.

Do you agree or disagree?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I guess I just don't get this emotional human enlightened thingi. I don't get why I should be worried about being emotional or human or enlightened or not. Are we in some kind of competition? I suppose I can sympathize. There must be at least two or three people on the planet that know more than I do.

I doubt you don’t get it. You claim to be enlightened, but exhibit very human characteristics on select topics. Doesn’t seem very enlightened to me.

But there’s the rub, each persons version of enlightenment can be different, yet each enlightened person can claim the others isn’t true enlightenment. Kinda like what you’re doing with “real Christian’s “

 

[FelixDeCat]

Just look at the mess we have in schools and society. It all happened when the schools stopped teaching morals like not stealing, not killing and respecting your parents. Instead we have atheism by default. And what did we get in return? The moral rot we have now.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Better than promoting atheism.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. What Christians are not entitled to is using the government to push their religion onto others in public places. I here I thought conservatives were so against indoctrination....lol yea right. That's what conservatives are all about, just another fine example of projection.

 

[FelixDeCat]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. What Christians are not entitled to is using the government to push their religion onto others in public places. I here I thought conservatives were so against indoctrination....lol yea right. That's what conservatives are all about, just another fine example of projection.

And thats why we are defunding public schools and allowing parents to put kids into schools where religion is taught. This way public schools can wither on the vine.

 

[ch33zw1z]

And thats why we are defunding public schools and allowing parents to put kids into schools where religion is taught. This way public schools can wither on the vine.

Well then why bother pushing your religion on public schools if you’re just abandoning them? Just some classic theocracy mindlessness?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Just look at the mess we have in schools and society. It all happened when the schools stopped teaching morals like not stealing, not killing and respecting your parents. Instead we have atheism by default. And what did we get in return? The moral rot we have now.

Lol you think people stopped teaching that?

I think you’re looking at the wrong place and using motivated reasoning to draw a conclusion that fits your POV.

If you look at American values, it’s all the things you don’t like. Violence, FYGM, disrespect.

And then icing on the cake is conservatives are voting for these things every election, while blaming others for their own policy failings.

It’s be funny if it wasn’t so tucked up

 

[brycejones]

Just look at the mess we have in schools and society. It all happened when the schools stopped teaching morals like not stealing, not killing and respecting your parents. Instead we have atheism by default. And what did we get in return? The moral rot we have now.

You are the moral rot.

 

[IronWing]

Just look at the mess we have in schools and society. It all happened when the schools stopped teaching morals like not stealing, not killing and respecting your parents. Instead we have atheism by default. And what did we get in return? The moral rot we have now.

You treason better than you moral so stick with what you know.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Just look at the mess we have in schools and society. It all happened when the schools stopped teaching morals like not stealing, not killing and respecting your parents. Instead we have atheism by default. And what did we get in return? The moral rot we have now.

Why are you trying to blame the schools for not raising kids right? It's not their responsibility. It's not the schools job to parent the kids. This mess started at home with the parents, and that is then only place this mess will get fixed.

Schools's responsibility is to teach academics. Parents responsibility is to teach their children morals, right from wrong, not to steal.. etc. But that is the inherent problem.. to many parents now days think it's someone else's job to raise their kids to be respectful, moral, honest, etc. Like the school, the day care, or the nanny.. to many parents are not doing their job. I am concerned for you, because you are demonstrating the same mindset.

Now, part of that is caused by the government, taking away parents rights to properly raise their kids effectively. Society is also to blame because parents are supposed to always be "gentle". Kids are no longer raised with the tools to combat the real world, or even the understanding of how the real world works.. they are to worried about little Sally' and Little Johnny's feelers. We also have turned into a society that doesn't hold kids or adults accountable for their actions anymore. Society spends more time blaming everyone else. And when they do hold the individual accountable, they give them chance after chance with no hard punishments. This is a problem from the government all the way down.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Why are you trying to blame the schools for not raising kids right? It's not their responsibility. It's not the schools job to parent the kids. This mess started at home with the parents, and that is then only place this mess will get fixed.

Schools's responsibility is to teach academics. Parents responsibility is to teach their children morals, right from wrong, not to steal.. etc. But that is the inherent problem.. to many parents now days think it's someone else's job to raise their kids to be respectful, moral, honest, etc. Like the school, the day care, or the nanny.. to many parents are not doing their job. I am concerned for you, because you are demonstrating the same mindset.

Now, part of that is caused by the government, taking away parents rights to properly raise their kids effectively. Society is also to blame because parents are supposed to always be "gentle". Kids are no longer raised with the tools to combat the real world, or even the understanding of how the real world works.. they are to worried about little Sally' and Little Johnny's feelers. We also have turned into a society that doesn't hold kids or adults accountable for their actions anymore. Society spends more time blaming everyone else. And when they do hold the individual accountable, they give them chance after chance with no hard punishments. This is a problem from the government all the way down.

This might come as a shocker, but it's possible to discipline your kids, validate their feelings, and push them to succeed, all while not physically or emotionally abusing them.

If kids don't have the right tools, it's because their parents didn't give them the tools or teach them.

 

[Moonbeam]

Liberals aren’t “going after” guns and religion. Both are widely available in our country.

What you seem to be ignoring is how popular policies on the Democrat side really are with the American people.

My point here, after you tried to exclude modern Christian’s from their professed religious preference, is that the government doesn’t care if they’re “real Christian’s” or not. So that is completely inconsequential. You thought otherwise earlier.

Do you agree or disagree?

I have a problem answering a question like do you agree ar disagree when it includes the statement I thought otherwise before. I don’t know what I said earlier that you are referencing and I especially don’t know if whatever it was that you think I said is what I was intending. I say a lot of things people seem to take differently than what I intended.

What is the government? In our government we have a constitutional separation of church and state. It does not care which religion it prevents as a state religion. Any kind of state religion is not allowed. Similarly, Christians are supposed to render unto Caesar regardless of what government he leads. Joe Biden is Caesar so we have nothing to fear from real Christians right?

 

[kage69]

And thats why we are defunding public schools and allowing parents to put kids into schools where religion is taught. This way public schools can wither on the vine.

So sad this sickness of yours. Your kind is more interested in brainwashing than educating, we understand that part. The part you need to understand is schools lacking your god is not the problem. It's your churches lacking your god that is the problem. Look what it's bred - theocratic assholes waving the flag and pointing to a Constitution they see as a salad bar, while actively trying to kill our democracy.

Parents already have the rights and abilities to take their children to church, sunday school, and a large number of religious private schools. No one's religious liberty is being infringed here, but part of the problem is that backwards theocratic types such as yourself seem to believe being prevented from imposing religion on others is a form of religious oppression. Sad stuff.

Another magat wistfully lusting for another American institution to die, undermining future generations. At least you're proud of your affliction, that does aid us. That's why we are removing your kind from power wherever demographics and voting laws permit. Thank goodness after a few more pummeling election losses your red state idiocy will be mostly relegated to red states. Wallow in your shitty levels of education and fail your children if you must. Your concern for parents rights, once again, only exists for christian parents. How christian. I suggest addressing the incredible levels of rampant child sexual abuse within christian institutions before telling parents they have no choice in their kids being indoctrinated by them. Might make you sound less sick. Maybe.