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Moonbeam

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I doubt you don’t get it. You claim to be enlightened, but exhibit very human characteristics on select topics. Doesn’t seem very enlightened to me.

But there’s the rub, each persons version of enlightenment can be different, yet each enlightened person can claim the others isn’t true enlightenment. Kinda like what you’re doing with “real Christian’s “
Oh damn, you caught me. I’m really just a worthless mole who keeps trying to poke up its head and proclaim, look at me, I’m a god among men. I just have this huge ego I need to fan but people are so mean and won’t let me. I just wanted the attention. I just wanted to feel important. I just wanted to be special in a good way. I needed to feel that because I hate myself. How am I supposed to feel special if I’m just another emotional human?

Now that we have that out of the way, with regard to Democrats being popular. I want them to be more popular. I would like democrats to be more enlightened on matters of gun ownership and religion. I want them to be able to understand why they are hated and feared by conservatives so they don’t go all crazy humanly emotional on them.
 

ch33zw1z

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I have a problem answering a question like do you agree ar disagree when it includes the statement I thought otherwise before. I don’t know what I said earlier that you are referencing and I especially don’t know if whatever it was that you think I said is what I was intending. I say a lot of things people seem to take differently than what I intended.

What is the government? In our government we have a constitutional separation of church and state. It does not care which religion it prevents as a state religion. Any kind of state religion is not allowed. Similarly, Christians are supposed to render unto Caesar regardless of what government he leads. Joe Biden is Caesar so we have nothing to fear from real Christians right?

Citizens should be concerned about Theocracy creeping in, and being blatantly pushed as well. The debate isn't who is a real Christian, agree?
 

Moonbeam

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Just look at the mess we have in schools and society. It all happened when the schools stopped teaching morals like not stealing, not killing and respecting your parents. Instead we have atheism by default. And what did we get in return? The moral rot we have now.
Speak of the Devil……..I mean bless you, you showed up with perfect timing. Don’t be too hard on these poor unenlightened fools, they are basically good people. Most all were caught early and heavily indoctrinated with the Good News. They are basically pretty good Christians, better than many who go to church. Of course they will probably deny all of this because they don’t know what a real Christian is.
 
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HomerJS

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Just look at the mess we have in schools and society. It all happened when the schools stopped teaching morals like not stealing, not killing and respecting your parents. Instead we have atheism by default. And what did we get in return? The moral rot we have now.
Hmmm, coming from the person who supported the guy with ZERO morals.

If you had a backbone, you could admit you don't really give a damn about morals. For you it's just posturing.

Bet you didn't know the Bible holds hypocrites in lower regard than ordinary sinners.
 

ch33zw1z

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Oh damn, you caught me. I’m really just a worthless mole who keeps trying to poke up its head and proclaim, look at me, I’m a god among men. I just have this huge ego I need to fan but people are so mean and won’t let me. I just wanted the attention. I just wanted to feel important. I just wanted to be special in a good way. I needed to feel that because I hate myself. How am I supposed to feel special if I’m just another emotional human?

Now that we have that out of the way, with regard to Democrats being popular. I want them to be more popular. I would like democrats to be more enlightened on matters of gun ownership and religion. I want them to be able to understand why they are hated and feared by conservatives so they don’t go all crazy humanly emotional on them.

Your first paragraph is basically how you present yourself. It seems like you're being sarcastic, but it reads like you're waking up. Your often arrogant, and holier-than-thou long winded posts read like this.

Democrats aren't doing what you seem to think they are. Conservatives believe outright lies of the craziest degree, so believing Democrats are coming to take their guns and Jesus is ez to convince them of.
 

HomerJS

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Your first paragraph is basically how you present yourself. It seems like you're being sarcastic, but it reads like you're waking up. Your often arrogant, and holier-than-thou long winded posts read like this.

Democrats aren't doing what you seem to think they are. Conservatives believe outright lies of the craziest degree, so believing Democrats are coming to take their guns and Jesus is ez to convince them of.
Remember how they lost their shit over the Obama quote, "they cling to their guns and their religion"?

I won't go into the context, but Obama was only half right.
 

Moonbeam

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Citizens should be concerned about Theocracy creeping in, and being blatantly pushed as well. The debate isn't who is a real Christian, agree?
Yes, all forms of bigotry seek universality of application also called orthodoxy because self hate is always directed outwardly by the imaginative creation of the other. We fear becoming aware of our self hate and live in constant fear of becoming conscious of it. That fear is paranoia, that there is an external threat out there that is an hallucination.

The problem is that Christianity was designed to fight this fear but over time with the loss of the teacher falls victim to it. But the original intention still can bring healing to many. I call those the real Christians. You could say they are those who have such faith in Gods love, that love becomes alive in them. For millions and millions of people Christianity is all the light they will ever have. It is in their Book if not their church but, of course, mixed in with a ton of garbage.
 

HomerJS

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Yes, all forms of bigotry seek universality of application also called orthodoxy because self hate is always directed outwardly by the imaginative creation of the other. We fear becoming aware of our self hate and live in constant fear of becoming conscious of it. That fear is paranoia, that there is an external threat out there that is an hallucination.

The problem is that Christianity was designed to fight this fear but over time with the loss of the teacher falls victim to it. But the original intention still can bring healing to many. I call those the real Christians. You could say they are those who have such faith in Gods love, that love becomes alive in them. For millions and millions of people Christianity is all the light they will ever have. It is in their Book if not their church but, of course, mixed in with a ton of garbage.
Anyone who is willing to tolerate the evil scourge of racism is no Christian.
 

Pens1566

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Remember how they lost their shit over the Obama quote, "they cling to their guns and their religion"?

I won't go into the context, but Obama was only half right.

Obama was right about a whole bunch of shit (Hillary and "deplorables" as well). And the reason it got them all pissed off is because they know he nailed it.

TBH, he really broke a lot of brains in this country.
 

NWRMidnight

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This might come as a shocker, but it's possible to discipline your kids, validate their feelings, and push them to succeed, all while not physically or emotionally abusing them.

If kids don't have the right tools, it's because their parents didn't give them the tools or teach them.
yet, you blame the schools and not the parents..

It might be a shock that you have a comprehension problem as I never implied abusing kids physically or emotionally. You pulled that out of your own ass. Guess what, spanking a child is not abuse, Beating your child is. Being stern with your kids is not mental abuse. Cussing and constantly screaming at them, belittling them, telling them they are worthless, and constantly putting them down is. No where did I imply abusing kids, physicals or mentally. You can't properly teach or give kids all the proper tools while parents and society are busy giving them participation trophies and not teaching them how to cope with failures. Giving them ice-cream to get them to stop crying.. You can't give kids all the tools when the majority of society is teaching them to blame and not be accountable. But you want to blame the schools..

Now, you may believe your method is the right method, because it worked for you, and your kids.. but it doesn't mean it works for raising for all kids. IF it did, we wouldn't be having the problems we do.. or as you put it, a mess.
 
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Fenixgoon

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yet, you blame the schools and not the parents..

It might be a shock that you have a comprehension problem as I never implied abusing kids physically or emotionally. You pulled that out of your own ass Spanking a child is not abuse, Beating your child is. Being stern with your kids is not abuse. Cussing and constantly screaming at them, belittling them, telling them they are worthless, and constantly putting them down is. No where did I imply abusing kids. You can't properly teach or give kids all the proper tools while parents and society are busy giving them participation trophies and not teaching them how to cope with failures. Giving them ice-cream to get them to stop crying.. You can't give kids all the tools when the majority of society is teaching them to blame and not be accountable.
Where did I blame schools?
 

HomerJS

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Obama was right about a whole bunch of shit (Hillary and "deplorables" as well). And the reason it got them all pissed off is because they know he nailed it.

TBH, he really broke a lot of brains in this country.
Remember when Obama went against a bunch of Republicans on live TV and beat them to a pulp. It was so bad Fox News cut the live feed.
 

NWRMidnight

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Where did I blame schools?
Sorry, you didn't.. That was FelixDaCat.. I wasn't paying that close attention to the name (just got home from 13 hours at work.. tired).. I thought he was the one who responded to me.. so forgive my rudeness, it wasn't for you.

I was wondering why It seemed he was now blaming the parents as well. I just took it as his normal BS. Again, sorry.
 
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Moonbeam

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Your first paragraph is basically how you present yourself. It seems like you're being sarcastic, but it reads like you're waking up. Your often arrogant, and holier-than-thou long winded posts read like this.

Democrats aren't doing what you seem to think they are. Conservatives believe outright lies of the craziest degree, so believing Democrats are coming to take their guns and Jesus is ez to convince them of.
In whatever form the truth comes we will hate the messenger. Whatever form it takes will be converted into evil.

There is more than ample evidence in this forum that liberals lust for the death of guns and religion. They believe that is the good and every fool knows that some things are good and some are the opposite. Unfortunately they also think they know which are which.
 

ch33zw1z

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In whatever form the truth comes we will hate the messenger. Whatever form it takes will be converted into evil.

There is more than ample evidence in this forum that liberals lust for the death of guns and religion. They believe that is the good and every fool knows that some things are good and some are the opposite. Unfortunately they also think they know which are which.

So your evidence is this forum? Not Democrat policy?

I mean, we were discussing Democrat policy popularity. Soooo….
 

Fenixgoon

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Sorry, you didn't.. That was FelixDaCat.. I wasn't paying that close attention to the name (just got home from 13 hours at work.. tired).. I thought he was the one who responded to me.. so forgive my rudeness, it wasn't for you.

I was wondering why It seemed he was now blaming the parents as well. I just took it as his normal BS. Again, sorry.
All good. I get FDC mixed up with ElFenix due to the name similarity 😂
 
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hal2kilo

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I said that forcing schools to display the 10 commandments isn't the same as mandating the teaching of Christianity because the ten commandments are commandments in several religions.
Something, something, no other gods before me.

Actual: “I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any gods before Me.”
It's number 1.
 
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sandorski

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Just look at the mess we have in schools and society. It all happened when the schools stopped teaching morals like not stealing, not killing and respecting your parents. Instead we have atheism by default. And what did we get in return? The moral rot we have now.

No.
 

Moonbeam

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Just look at the mess we have in schools and society. It all happened when the schools stopped teaching morals like not stealing, not killing and respecting your parents. Instead we have atheism by default. And what did we get in return? The moral rot we have now.
What would you say to the following possible alternative view to this:

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Good parenting used to be seen as a process of imparting self-control and social values to one's children; now it's viewed as a meaningful human relationship. Women used to be expected to stay home and raise their children; now they are regarded as entitled to pursue any career or lifestyle they desire. And sex used to be about procreation, but now it's regarded as a source of pleasure.


These trends are about morality, argues Edward L. Rubin, University Professor of Law and Political Science at Vanderbilt Law School, in his new book. But unlike many others who write about the subject, he's not bemoaning the decline of Western society or clamoring for the good old days.
"To say morality is declining is not correct," says Rubin, author of Soul, Self and Society: The New Morality and the Modern State, published by Oxford University Press. "It's changing." This moral transformation, which has occurred over the course of the past 200 years, is organically linked to the simultaneous rise of the administrative state, Rubin says.
SAVE YOUR SOUL AND SERVE YOUR STATE
Traditional morality, which many people still regard as morality itself, is really just one particular approach, more accurately described as a morality of higher purposes, Rubin says. Individuals were supposed to direct their personal behavior toward the salvation of their soul. And they were supposed to direct their political behavior around service to the state -- "ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country."
SELF-FULFILLMENT
"The new morality is based on concepts of self-fulfillment," Rubin says. "You're supposed to live the best life you possibly can for yourself, and there's essentially nothing beyond the experience of life that justifies it. It just justifies itself in terms of your own experience."

Similarly, the goal of a modern administrative state is to serve its citizens, to enable each of them to live the most fulfilling life that they possibly can. Modern morality demands that the state provide individuals with necessary service, including education, health care, and -- if they are needy -- subsistence and housing.
SELF-FULFILLMENT IS NOT HEDONISM
Self-fulfillment is a real morality, Rubin says, with as many rules and prohibitions as its predecessor.
"It's not hedonism. It's not just live for today and eat, drink and be merry," he says. "It's live for the entire succession of todays, which often involves a higher level of planning than the morality of higher purposes. People who think morality is declining or disappearing have really just failed to adjust to this huge change in the way many people in Western civilization look at the world," Rubin argues. The discomfort they feel is the result of being pulled between the two moralities, plus the rapidity of the change.
REINTERPRETING CHRISTIANITY
The declining morality of higher purposes fuels both conservative politics and the traditional interpretation of Christianity, Rubin says. But as the author demonstrates in the historical section of the book, this is only one possible approach to the West's dominant religion.

"In earlier times, people understood Christianity in different terms," Rubin says. "As the morality of self-fulfillment becomes dominant, Christianity may be reinterpreted once more, in a manner that is largely consistent with the new morality. The other possibility is that it will decay.
"The new morality already encourages people to shop for the denomination that best fulfills their spiritual needs. In the future, they may shop among the entire range of world religions and philosophies."
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I did such shopping decades ago. I like to say I was saved by Zen.

The point, however, is that what you see as moral decline owing to atheism may appear that way only because you see atheism as a threat to a concept of moral priorities that are evolving. Immorality has been around for a long time including in all those times when Christianity was dominant. I believe that liberals generally speaking seek a moral world as much as you do. You should be able to see that from how they go after me hammer and tong when they think I'm defending what they think is Christian madness. I only want to help them see they believe in the good just like you do. What differs is your and their idea of what the good is is not the same. Different opinions driven by the same moral need, on Earth as it is in Heaven or where good government reigns. You are not a monster and neither are they. You guys focus on your differences but can't hide from me what I see you have in common, the will to morality. Love you for that.
 

Moonbeam

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So your evidence is this forum? Not Democrat policy?

I mean, we were discussing Democrat policy popularity. Soooo….
I am talking about how Democrats make it easy to paint liberals as anti religious anti gun ownership and why and also why that’s a terrible thing to allow to happen. People don’t distinguish between somebod’s opinion of what a true Democrat is from the ones claiming to be liberals.
 

FelixDeCat

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What would you say to the following possible alternative view to this:

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Good parenting used to be seen as a process of imparting self-control and social values to one's children; now it's viewed as a meaningful human relationship. Women used to be expected to stay home and raise their children; now they are regarded as entitled to pursue any career or lifestyle they desire. And sex used to be about procreation, but now it's regarded as a source of pleasure.


These trends are about morality, argues Edward L. Rubin, University Professor of Law and Political Science at Vanderbilt Law School, in his new book. But unlike many others who write about the subject, he's not bemoaning the decline of Western society or clamoring for the good old days.
"To say morality is declining is not correct," says Rubin, author of Soul, Self and Society: The New Morality and the Modern State, published by Oxford University Press. "It's changing." This moral transformation, which has occurred over the course of the past 200 years, is organically linked to the simultaneous rise of the administrative state, Rubin says.
SAVE YOUR SOUL AND SERVE YOUR STATE
Traditional morality, which many people still regard as morality itself, is really just one particular approach, more accurately described as a morality of higher purposes, Rubin says. Individuals were supposed to direct their personal behavior toward the salvation of their soul. And they were supposed to direct their political behavior around service to the state -- "ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country."
SELF-FULFILLMENT
"The new morality is based on concepts of self-fulfillment," Rubin says. "You're supposed to live the best life you possibly can for yourself, and there's essentially nothing beyond the experience of life that justifies it. It just justifies itself in terms of your own experience."

Similarly, the goal of a modern administrative state is to serve its citizens, to enable each of them to live the most fulfilling life that they possibly can. Modern morality demands that the state provide individuals with necessary service, including education, health care, and -- if they are needy -- subsistence and housing.
SELF-FULFILLMENT IS NOT HEDONISM
Self-fulfillment is a real morality, Rubin says, with as many rules and prohibitions as its predecessor.
"It's not hedonism. It's not just live for today and eat, drink and be merry," he says. "It's live for the entire succession of todays, which often involves a higher level of planning than the morality of higher purposes. People who think morality is declining or disappearing have really just failed to adjust to this huge change in the way many people in Western civilization look at the world," Rubin argues. The discomfort they feel is the result of being pulled between the two moralities, plus the rapidity of the change.
REINTERPRETING CHRISTIANITY
The declining morality of higher purposes fuels both conservative politics and the traditional interpretation of Christianity, Rubin says. But as the author demonstrates in the historical section of the book, this is only one possible approach to the West's dominant religion.

"In earlier times, people understood Christianity in different terms," Rubin says. "As the morality of self-fulfillment becomes dominant, Christianity may be reinterpreted once more, in a manner that is largely consistent with the new morality. The other possibility is that it will decay.
"The new morality already encourages people to shop for the denomination that best fulfills their spiritual needs. In the future, they may shop among the entire range of world religions and philosophies."
===========================================================================

I did such shopping decades ago. I like to say I was saved by Zen.

The point, however, is that what you see as moral decline owing to atheism may appear that way only because you see atheism as a threat to a concept of moral priorities that are evolving. Immorality has been around for a long time including in all those times when Christianity was dominant. I believe that liberals generally speaking seek a moral world as much as you do. You should be able to see that from how they go after me hammer and tong when they think I'm defending what they think is Christian madness. I only want to help them see they believe in the good just like you do. What differs is your and their idea of what the good is is not the same. Different opinions driven by the same moral need, on Earth as it is in Heaven or where good government reigns. You are not a monster and neither are they. You guys focus on your differences but can't hide from me what I see you have in common, the will to morality. Love you for that.
Im going to sum this up in two words - slippery slope. You are free to believe as you wish but kids need some training at school about right and wrong as taught in bible. If they branch off into a tangent later thats up to them.
 

FelixDeCat

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Remember how they lost their shit over the Obama quote, "they cling to their guns and their religion"?

I won't go into the context, but Obama was only half right.

Obama was wrong and confused, which is typical of Democrats. He should probably keep opinions like that to himself.