WTF! - Texas bill would mandate Christianity in public schools.

[Viper1j]

Seem righties now hate the Constitution. Promoting Christianity in public school goes against the principles of the Constitution. I thought the state is not supposed to take sides for a particular religion.

Texas Senate approves bills requiring 10 Commandments in K-12 classrooms, Bible time in school

Texas Senate approves bills requiring 10 Commandments in K-12 classrooms, Bible time in school

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Need a kid to start a Satanic club to wake them up.

The First Amendment guarantees the freedom to practice ANY religion.

 

[Moonbeam]

So, "No" then. You can't support your previous assertions and instead of saying that, you'd rather play more pop psyche babble with a person you know very little about. A "conservative." Ok.

This wasn't as fun as it was predictable, but thanks for trying anyway moon. I will leave you to your fixations, but should you develop an interest in this Establishment Clause and how it relates to the subject do let us know. Happy to provide all manner of factual details to help you in this trying time. I'd rather help than hate, but I don't think I can help you distinguish between a person like myself, a believer in true freedom of religion (and the Constitution that affords it), and the christofascists in Texas actually legislating their hate onto others. Were I a praying man I'd pray for you to able to appreciate the distinction. It's all on you I'm afraid. Good luck, and do scritch that cat for me.

I hope you have figured out that your opinions on teaching a religion in schools is an anathema to any right thinking liberal. That stuff is axiomatic and obvious. My point is that the way you hold to that truth violates the very position you correctly support. Nothing positive will result from condemnation of those too ignorant to see the wisdom of the need to separate church and state.

 

[pete6032]

Weren't the ten commandments given to the Jews by God in old testament times? Why are Christians so focused on them?

 

[sdifox]

Weren't the ten commandments given to the Jews by God in old testament times? Why are Christians so focused on them?

They failed Sunday school

 

[IronWing]

Weren't the ten commandments given to the Jews by God in old testament times? Why are Christians so focused on them?

Because Jesus preached hippie dippie love crap. Modern Christians follow the OT (when convenient to the moment) and Paul. If you’re feeling mean, Paul is your Johnny on the spot goto authority figure.

 

[sdifox]

Because Jesus preached hippie dippie love crap. Modern Christians follow the OT (when convenient to the moment) and Paul. If you’re feeling mean, Paul is your Johnny on the spot goto authority figure.

 

[kage69]

I hope you have figured out that your opinions on teaching a religion in schools is an anathema to any right thinking liberal. That stuff is axiomatic and obvious. My point is that the way you hold to that truth violates the very position you correctly support. Nothing positive will result from condemnation of those too ignorant to see the wisdom of the need to separate church and state.

Oy, now to the false attribution is it? It's getting sad moon, this isn't you.

My opinion on teaching religions in schools is the same as it's been since the day I started on AT: have at it! Make them electives as comparative religions curriculum. Done. Starting to think you have real difficulty with the words "mandates" and "required," say it ain't so!

I hope you can figure out where your empathy for non christians went. Nothing positive will result in your defense of christofascists imposing their religious subscriptions on others. Standing up for your rights is not a vice, being outraged others are denied theirs is not a personal flaw. If you think playing nice and not being direct is what works with these people then you've managed to ignore a hell of a lot since idk 2008? With Texas usually an epicenter of sorts too no less. That would be alarming!

Maybe you should look into a mirror moon, ask yourself how you would feel if you were a non christian parent in Texas, without the means to relocate either residence or school. It's not about me or you silly, it's about them. When you add in the contagious nature of reactionary conservative politics, particularly the unconstitutional parts, non Texans have every right to be concerned. Pretend otherwise if you want, but continuing to try and make this about me is just more fail on your part.

 

[kage69]

Weren't the ten commandments given to the Jews by God in old testament times? Why are Christians so focused on them?

Holy roller fad/trend, like the evangelicals sudden love of the shofar. They like to have things from antiquity massage those feels, makes them feel connected and noble (somehow).

I enjoy running into people obsessed with them. I wait until their religious revisionist history is brought up, then I ask them to contrast their 10 commandments with the Bill of Rights, point out anything that doesn't seem right. It's always a hoot, I really enjoy watching dogma crumble in real time. Quite choice, if you have the means I highly recommend it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oy, now to the false attribution is it? It's getting sad moon, this isn't you.

My opinion on teaching religions in schools is the same as it's been since the day I started on AT: have at it! Make them electives as comparative religions curriculum. Done. Starting to think you have real difficulty with the words "mandates" and "required," say it ain't so!

I hope you can figure out where you and the Constitution parted ways, where your empathy for non christians went maybe. Nothing positive will result in your defense of christofascists imposing their religious subscriptions on others. For an American that's throwing egg in your own face, but hey for all I know you aren't even an American.

Maybe you should look into a mirror moon, ask yourself how you would feel if you were a non christian parent in Texas, without the means to relocate either residence or school. It's not about me or you silly, it's about them. When you add in the contagious nature of reactionary conservative politics, particularly the unconstitutional parts, non Texans have every right to be concerned. Pretend otherwise if you want, but continuing to try and make this about me is just more fail on your part.

If something isn't me by this time it probably isn't me. Perhaps my ineptitude with language was the cause. When I said, "I hope you have figured out that your opinions on teaching a religion in schools is an anathema to any right thinking liberal." perhaps I should have said, "I hope you have figured out that your opinions on teaching a religion in schools is ALSO an anathema to any right thinking liberal. My views on religion in the schools and in politics is the same as any liberal's would be. I support all such liberal opinions.

My effort in this forum with regard to religious and conservative views is to correctly express why I think they are what they are and why, how liberals react to them, has a similar root, the certainty that one knows the truth because it is instinctual to believe one exists. A so called statement of fact is either true or not. Would you agree?

So to argue with Christians on the matter of religion or with a conservative on the nature of politics is a hopeless task that leads liberals to frustrated rage because they are as convinced of the truth of their views as the other side.

I see the matter in a third way, that there are factors that motivate each side to hold to what they believe and that those motivations are not consciously realized. People are trapped in a struggle for good and evil and thus the stakes are enormously critical. It is absolutely vital for the truth to win. Haha. And what is that vital truth then? The truth is the state of being one awakens to when one is forced via realization of the hopelessness to prove the validity of ones opinions and lets go of them. The kingdom of heaven is within you and always has been and always will be.

And here we come to a paradox. To not know is to know everything. To let go is to gain everything. To die to the self is to become.

 

[Moonbeam]

Maybe because of your actions where you say you are not a Christian, yet you throw up posts like below, where you word it as though you are "just saying", yet you then tell other's they have no idea what Christianity is. Which is something only Christians do, because non Christians, in the eyes of Christians don't know what Christianity is. So if you are not a Christian, then you don't know what Christianity is either. Which means you are talking out both sides of your mouth, trying to play both sides..

Seriously, you think I am going to abide by such strictures? You have quite an imagination. You are not a practitioner of the Moonbeam Religion. Please don't tell me how we are supposed to think. Everything I told you is completely orthodox in my opinion.

As for your next bullshit, head up your ass post:

The 10 commandments the Texas Government are referring to are those practiced by the Christian faith, which you fucking know. Many religions have 10 commandments, but they differ across nearly all religions, they are not the same, some even have more than 10. The 10 commandments play a fundamental roll in Judaism and Christianity Only. So please, tell us again they are not mandating the teaching of Christianity in Texas, or do you think the spirit behind the bill is based on Judaism?

It is likely the ten commandments are a mnemonic summery of essential Jewish principles likely based on earlier Hittite and Mesopotamian laws and treaties. Most of them also apply in Islam with the difference that in Islam the Bible is not taken as the absolute word of God owning to how it was corrupted over time. So to say that because ignorant Christians attach special attention to a special enumeration of ten precepts they fancifully imagine defines them does not change the fact that there is noting about them that makes them especially Christian. Every society will require rules of conduct to survive so they are an organic component of any social system. There will always be commonality among them owing to the fact that people are people.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Seriously, you think I am going to abide by such strictures? You have quite an imagination. You are not a practitioner of the Moonbeam Religion. Please don't tell me how we are supposed to think. Everything I told you is completely orthodox in my opinion.



It is likely the ten commandments are a mnemonic summery of essential Jewish principles likely based on earlier Hittite and Mesopotamian laws and treaties. Most of them also apply in Islam with the difference that in Islam the Bible is not taken as the absolute word of God owning to how it was corrupted over time. So to say that because ignorant Christians attach special attention to a special enumeration of ten precepts they fancifully imagine defines them does not change the fact that there is noting about them that makes them especially Christian. Every society will require rules of conduct to survive so they are an organic component of any social system. There will always be commonality among them owing to the fact that people are people.

Huh? I never told you how to think.. You have proven time and time again, you don't think! You don't comprehend 99% of what people tell you, or you flat out ignore it because you have your head squarely up your ass. But please, keep posting your bullshit babble to ensure nobody forgets just how full of shit you are.

What I said, wasn't likely, as your claims are, It's a proven fact by the scholars who spend their life studying religions. So you can sit here and try to dance around the truth, making up bullshit lies all you want.. The 10 commandments the Texas government wants to mandate to be required to be in EVERY classroom equals forcing Christianity on people because that is the religion that these assholes push onto everyone.. To argue otherwise is lying thru your fucking teeth.. Or you are to stupid to comprehend what is taking place right in front of you.

BTW, you are right, every society requires rules of conduct, they are called laws. The 10 commandments are not the rules of society, they are the fundamental rules for Judaism and Christianity, which only make up a fraction of society. Again many religions have commandments.. but the majority of them are different than the ones Texas wants in their classrooms, and they are not society's code of conduct, they are the religious views of the Texas Government... Which is Christianity.

 

[MrSquished]

This is the guy most Christians would vote for again if he was their nominee. AFTER seeing him for the last 6 years. I think it's high time we realized that in another dimension in another galaxy, perhaps these people would be reachable with unlimited resources and time, but, the battle lines have been drawn, and these are the enemy

 

[Moonbeam]

Huh? I never told you how to think.. You have proven time and time again, you don't think! You don't comprehend 99% of what people tell you, or you flat out ignore it because you have your head squarely up your ass. But please, keep posting your bullshit babble to ensure nobody forgets just how full of shit you are.

What I said, wasn't likely, as your claims are, It's a proven fact by the scholars who spend their life studying religions. So you can sit here and try to dance around the truth, making up bullshit lies all you want.. The 10 commandments the Texas government wants to mandate to be required to be in EVERY classroom equals forcing Christianity on people because that is the religion that these assholes push onto everyone.. To argue otherwise is lying thru your fucking teeth.. Or you are to stupid to comprehend what is taking place right in front of you.

BTW, you are right, every society requires rules of conduct, they are called laws. The 10 commandments are not the rules of society, they are the fundamental rules for Judaism and Christianity, which only make up a fraction of society. Again many religions have commandments.. but the majority of them are different than the ones Texas wants in their classrooms, and they are not society's code of conduct, they are the religious views of the Texas Government... Which is Christianity.

It's really just so simple. No matter how much the Texas government thinks the 10 Commandments are Christian or how much they imagine that by mandating them to be displayed in schools pushes the Christian religion, Christianity and the ten Commandments are not the same thing. Christianity is in the New Testament, not the ten Commandments. If they were mandating the teaching of the New Testament, then they would be mandating the teaching of Christianity.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It's really just so simple. No matter how much the Texas government thinks the 10 Commandments are Christian or how much they imagine that by mandating them to be displayed in schools pushes the Christian religion, Christianity and the ten Commandments are not the same thing. Christianity is in the New Testament, not the ten Commandments. If they were mandating the teaching of the New Testament, then they would be mandating the teaching of Christianity.

Hot take. Christian’s will take whatever piece of either testament they want and apply it to their theocracy. And the compliant government will simply not care.

What you’re either failing to understand or intentionally ignoring is tha fact that the entire Bible is part of Christianity. It ALL falls under the faith. This particular hair you’re splitting is simply inconsequential

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is the guy most Christians would vote for again if he was their nominee. AFTER seeing him for the last 6 years. I think it's high time we realized that in another dimension in another galaxy, perhaps these people would be reachable with unlimited resources and time, but, the battle lines have been drawn, and these are the enemy

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It's pretty sad what GOP voters will believe, but this doesn't come close to their wackiest beliefs. This has been something that conservatives have believed for decades. As usual, grifter gonna grift.

 

[HomerJS]

This is the guy most Christians would vote for again if he was their nominee. AFTER seeing him for the last 6 years. I think it's high time we realized that in another dimension in another galaxy, perhaps these people would be reachable with unlimited resources and time, but, the battle lines have been drawn, and these are the enemy

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When the people are against your policies just stary lying. Righties trying to change the narrative on abortion. I'm concerned their lying is so effective too many people will believe it.

The woman who's water broke at 15 weeks and was sent home until she became septic because of Republicans will be labeled a crisis actor.

 

[Meghan54]

It's really just so simple. No matter how much the Texas government thinks the 10 Commandments are Christian or how much they imagine that by mandating them to be displayed in schools pushes the Christian religion, Christianity and the ten Commandments are not the same thing. Christianity is in the New Testament, not the ten Commandments. If they were mandating the teaching of the New Testament, then they would be mandating the teaching of Christianity.

Show me the 10 Commandments in the Koran, verbatim.

They’re Christian/Hebrew, nothing else. See them and you think (know) it’s Christian. Not Celtic, not Muslim, not Shinto, not Hindu, not anything else than Christian Old Testament. To claim otherwise shows your utter ignorance (willful if not utterly dishonest) and lack of understanding (willful).

 

[nakedfrog]

Ah, it's so refreshing to not have to read Moonie's tripe unless I specifically elect to.
It's convenient he's ignoring there's also a bill to institute Bible reading and prayer time--which includes a provision for reading a prayer over the school PA system.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hot take. Christian’s will take whatever piece of either testament they want and apply it to their theocracy. And the compliant government will simply not care.

What you’re either failing to understand or intentionally ignoring is tha fact that the entire Bible is part of Christianity. It ALL falls under the faith. This particular hair you’re splitting is simply inconsequential

Perhaps you have some need for emotional excitement that is churning up this, to my mind, senseless equating of posting Ten Commandments is school and mandating the teaching of Christianity in them. As improper as it may be to select rules commonly associated by people in Texas with their local religious indoctrination for the sake of garnering votes and perpetuating future indoctrination, it is not anything at all as vile as it would be were they to flat out teach Christianity in school itself. I can't picture a methodology that would not include inebriation that could equate the two. What you call inconsequential I would call a major difference.

Show me the 10 Commandments in the Koran, verbatim.

They’re Christian/Hebrew, nothing else. See them and you think (know) it’s Christian. Not Celtic, not Muslim, not Shinto, not Hindu, not anything else than Christian Old Testament. To claim otherwise shows your utter ignorance (willful if not utterly dishonest) and lack of understanding (willful).

Tut tut. I already mentioned that Islam is a revision of Christianity as Christianity was a revision of Judaism so you dishonestly resort to the word 'verbatim' hoping your deception would pass unnoticed. You may be a One-eyed-Jack, man, but I seen the other side of your face. I love that line and am glad to work it in.

The precepts of the Ten Commandments are included in Islam because the God of the Bible is the God of Islam but are not listed in the same order or verbatim. Some of that, to a fair minded person in my opinion of what such a person and knowledgeable person would see is, I believe, obvious in the following:

The Ten Commandments in Islam

www.abuaminaelias.com

I leave you and others to make their own judgments.

 

[Sunburn74]

Why would we want anything as a society that even has the appearance of collusion between church and state?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Perhaps you have some need for emotional excitement that is churning up this, to my mind, senseless equating of posting Ten Commandments is school and mandating the teaching of Christianity in them. As improper as it may be to select rules commonly associated by people in Texas with their local religious indoctrination for the sake of garnering votes and perpetuating future indoctrination, it is not anything at all as vile as it would be were they to flat out teach Christianity in school itself. I can't picture a methodology that would not include inebriation that could equate the two. What you call inconsequential I would call a major difference.

You fully understand the intent of what Christians in this country are doing, the rest of your nonsense is simply that....nonsense.

You fully understand the intent of what Christians in this country are doing, the rest of your nonsense is simply that....nonsense.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Ah, it's so refreshing to not have to read Moonie's tripe unless I specifically elect to.
It's convenient he's ignoring there's also a bill to institute Bible reading and prayer time--which includes a provision for reading a prayer over the school PA system.

Guns and Jesus, where moonie shows his humanity

 

[Moonbeam]

Ah, it's so refreshing to not have to read Moonie's tripe unless I specifically elect to.
It's convenient he's ignoring there's also a bill to institute Bible reading and prayer time--which includes a provision for reading a prayer over the school PA system.

Know too that for me it is also refreshing that on contact with the content of my thinking, there will inevitably arise in the reader's mentation an inner sense of dread that the subject matter in question will lead to a fear of despair as the result of the stirrings of thoughts and feelings long repressed. This will result in an the outpourings of rage in the form of calumniation, namely put-downs of the kind that caused the original distress.

You will try to do to me what was done to you. You will try to insult me as you were insulted. In this way your shit fertilizes my garden in the form of conformation of all that I have said. Know however that you can do no damage at all compared to what was already done.

As to not knowing about an additional bill, I will try not to blame myself for it any more than I blame you for yours.

Perhaps you could provide a link. If passed I wonder what the courts will make of it if challenged.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Know too that for me it is also refreshing that on contact with the content of my thinking, there will inevitably arise in the reader's mentation an inner sense of dread that the subject matter in question will lead to a fear of despair as the result of the stirrings of thoughts and feelings long repressed. This will result in an the outpourings of rage in the form of calumniation, namely put-downs of the kind that caused the original distress.

You will try to do to me what was done to you. You will try to insult me as you were insulted. In this way your shit fertilizes my garden in the form of conformation of all that I have said. Know however that you can do no damage at all compared to what was already done.

As to not knowing about an additional bill, I will try not to blame myself for it any more than I blame you for yours.

Perhaps you could provide a link. If passed I wonder what the courts will make of it if challenged.

Remember, it was you who stated blame is another form of ignorance.

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...come-to-arkansas-rescue.2611726/post-40982624

Christian’s in this country, and yes they’re considered Christian’s , have no intention of including other religions in their push for theocracy.

 

[Moonbeam]

Guns and Jesus, where moonie shows his humanity

You know perfectly well that my interest in guns is that self defense is such an integral part of human nature and that the Democratic party is so much better for the country that opposition to gun ownership makes Democrats face unnecessary obstacles to being elected. The same thing applies to their immature understanding of the real significance of religion. But sadly, like Republicans, when it comes to their emotional attachment to sacred cows they are as unreachable as Republicans, deaf, dumb, and blind to the core, and equally as victim mentality defensive.

Sorry, wrote this yesterday and failed to post it.