WTF is wrong with parts of the U.S?

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
I think it's insulting to charge the kids with attempted murder. It's a complete affront to their murdering skills.

Haha.

This article makes me wonder about why they were charged with attempted murder: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s...=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Murder and attempted murder are charges on which a juvenile can be tried as an adult, but aggravated battery is not, defense attorney Bob Noel argued.

He said LaSalle Parish District Attorney Reed Walters used "bait-and-switch" tactics to try Bell as an adult. Bell was indicted on a charge of attempted murder, but Walters changed to the battery charge before trial, as he did Tuesday with the charges against two more students, Carwin Jones and Theo Shaw.

So charging them with attempted murder allowed him to try them as adults when really they shouldn't have been.


I'd like to think that is an ethics violation if he intended to do that from the start.

 

[KlokWyze]

Insults lead to physical violence. A common result. Hardly "3rd world".

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: CKent
It really is too bad the north won the civil war. The south could be its own backwards christian nation instead of dragging the rest of us down with it.

Yeah because nothing bad ever happens in northern and western states :roll:? Seriously, I have lived in the south my entire life and the VAST majority of people here are NOT racist and get along jsut fine. There is a very small minority of most poor uneducated people (both black and white) who usually live in small towns and such who ARE racist, and that certainly is a problem that is likely worse in the south than in other regions (mainly because the south is the only place there are large percentages of black people in the USA). However its silly to suggest that something like this could never happen in another part of the country. I wouldn't have thought a bunch of kids at DUKE could be charged with rape despite tons of evidence to the contrary but there WERE. Suggest that the south it a place full of backwards racist fundamentalist Christians makes you sound just as prejudiced as the people you are condemning.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I was wondering when ATOT was going to get wind of this... I live a few miles from Jena and have known about it for weeks now.

My opinion on the matter is that there were stupid actions from both white and black people in this case.

So the guy wants to stand under the damn oak tree. Why make a big production out of it? Go stand there. Try and hang out. Talk to some people. No, this dude goes to the principle to ask for permission? He obviously just wanted his ass covered because he planned on starting some shit. I know that some of the whites would have more than likely acted like the illiterate racists hicks that their parents raised them to be, but not all of them. I daresay the majority of them would have been cool with it. You can't just force yourself into a social group, loudly declaring that you have the right to be there so everyone can just stuff it. That's not the way to make peace and gain true equality now is it?

Oh and those fucking inbred hillbillies certainly did their fair share of damage. Hanging nooses? Jeeezus... People around here need to realize that the Klan was never cool...even if daddy was a Grand Moofah or whatever back in the day. These, and I can't stress this enough, fscking idiots thought it would be FUNNY to hang nooses in a tree during a period of racial tension in their HS. I can't believe how stupendously ignorant these fine young students must be. That's not the worst of it though. The school administration was clearly watching out for "their own" when they decided on a 3 day suspension as punishment. Either that or they're completely detached from the goings on in their school. This type of thing no doubt happens on a regular basis in Jena.

About that "all white jury". Several black members of the community were summoned for jury duty and none showed up in court. Whether this was some kind of protest or avoidance of duty I don't know. I do think that the sentence delivered by the jury seems to fit the crime perfectly. Is that or is that not what Bell did? Considering his previous offenses I think that he had used up all of his "slaps on the wrist" and was due for a real charge, which he got.

You should run for mayor. It sounds like everybody needs an injection of reality down there.

 

[piasabird]

When a group of 4 or 5 people try to beat a person to death it gets kind of serious.

Part of the problem is that the Nooses should have been considered a hate crime like burning a cross in Black mans Yard. If you dont do more than susped the white guys and do not address the racism, then you are asking for trouble. These guys were probably angry enough that they decided to take it out on the first white guy they found alone in a hallway.

I dont condone the actions of any of the people involved. The principal needs to be fired for not dealing with the problem in a better way. If they had immediately had a meeting in the Gym and explained to the whole school that this type of action was not going to be tolerated and allowed people to discuss it them maybe they could have diffused the situation.

In a way the Black guys succumbed to the pressure and now maybe they could all spend time in jail for quite a few years.

My wife is Asian and I understand the pain people feel when they are called names. There are times when I felt that the principal at my kids school needed to be tied to a tree and whipped, so he could feel their pain. However, the task at hand at school is to learn how to deal with these kind of ignorant idiots. Society is not going to change overnight and maybe not at all. So as humans with compassion we have to learn to live in the society that we have.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Everybody on the flame train CHOOO CHOOO!!!!

Honestly? They were hanging nooses? Why are these black kids not being REWARDED? Racism should not be tolerated in any way. This is disgusting.

So it's illegal to tie a length of rope from a tree?

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: piasabird


Part of the problem is that the Nooses should have been considered a hate crime like burning a cross in Black mans Yard.

So nooses should be illegal too? WTF? What if they were Boy Scouts tying knots for a Merit Badge or something?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: piasabird


Part of the problem is that the Nooses should have been considered a hate crime like burning a cross in Black mans Yard.

So nooses should be illegal too? WTF? What if they were Boy Scouts tying knots for a Merit Badge or something?

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Kanalua]

I hope they rot in prison...stop them now before they become real murders...

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: manowar821
Everybody on the flame train CHOOO CHOOO!!!!

Honestly? They were hanging nooses? Why are these black kids not being REWARDED? Racism should not be tolerated in any way. This is disgusting.

So it's illegal to tie a length of rope from a tree?

Obviously it was there to hang the pinata. It's party time!

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: piasabird


Part of the problem is that the Nooses should have been considered a hate crime like burning a cross in Black mans Yard.

So nooses should be illegal too? WTF? What if they were Boy Scouts tying knots for a Merit Badge or something?

Are you making fun of hopelessly ignorant viewpoints?

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: piasabird


Part of the problem is that the Nooses should have been considered a hate crime like burning a cross in Black mans Yard.

So nooses should be illegal too? WTF? What if they were Boy Scouts tying knots for a Merit Badge or something?

lol ur an idiot

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: 3cho
another reason why i would never live in the south. NYC for the win.

Yeah, there's never any crime in New York City.

Anyway, knowing what I know about the incident, I'd have given the white boys a suspension and pushed for a court to give them community service (assuming they could be actually charged with anything). I'd charge the black boys with assault and definitely give them community service.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: meltdown75
A bunch of kids fighting = third world?

Where I live if a black kid beats up a white kid and he is released from the hospital the same day .... there is no chance he is going to be charged with attempted murder .

The whole thing is b.s.

so, if I pull a gun on you, shoot you but it only grazes your arm then I should not be punished...sure the gun COULD HAVE killed you, but because it was a flesh wound that just needed a few bandages, maybe a stitch or two I should not be arrested for attempted murder.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: meltdown75
A bunch of kids fighting = third world?

Where I live if a black kid beats up a white kid and he is released from the hospital the same day .... there is no chance he is going to be charged with attempted murder .

The whole thing is b.s.

so, if I pull a gun on you, shoot you but it only grazes your arm then I should not be punished...sure the gun COULD HAVE killed you, but because it was a flesh wound that just needed a few bandages, maybe a stitch or two I should not be arrested for attempted murder.

I don't mean to steal your thunder, but someone already said this.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Aimster
If this is so common to all of you then maybe you should stop reading CNN.com for posting this story on their front-page. They wasted my time and your time apparently because this stuff happens all the time. NOT.

I don't know if you all sat in the corner in high school reading your WIRED magazine, but fights happen on a weekly basis at high schools. How many of those kids are charged with attempted murder?

Stop crying about my title. If you think what happened to these kids is justified you might as well plan to retire in some third world nation. The rewards are much better than Florida and whenever you pick up the newspaper you'll be reading about the minority being sent off to long-term prison sentences by a judge from the majority for pity crimes.

So you're saying fights are all very common...so what compelled you to do make a post about a fight?

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddhaThe attempted murder charges are bullshit, but the worst thing is the lack of hate crime charges against the three white kids who originally hung the nooses.

While that's not appropriate, they didn't actually string the black kids up, the black kids drew their conclusions, and so did eveybody else. But that's just stupid, for you to come up with that idea, there is something called freedom of speech, and unless the black kids sue, or get attacked, or attempted to get strung up, etc. that's just a pathetic idea.

And no, I'm not racist, sorry to spoil your day on that one.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Jesus Christ, you people defending the nooses are silly bastards. The kids responsible should have been charged with terroristic threatening.

And BTW, prefacing your statements with "I'm not a racist but..." doesn't help your case any.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvarkAnd BTW, prefacing your statements with "I'm not a racist but..." doesn't help your case any.

SRSLY?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: thepd7
[Vic] Wouldn't it have been easy and more convenient for the black kids to just sit in their normal spot instead of taking the white kid's tree spot? I mean, it would have been convenient. and easy. We should definately be giving up our right to sit anywhere because it's convenient.

but I am a fire-breathing champion of civil rights. [/Vic]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA :laugh:

/thread

 

[wetcat007]

I've come to expect very little from the South.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Jesus Christ, you people defending the nooses are silly bastards. The kids responsible should have been charged with terroristic threatening.

And BTW, prefacing your statements with "I'm not a racist but..." doesn't help your case any.

I don't think anyone is defending the nooses, but condemning the actions of the other kids.

The action did not warrant the reaction.

 

[Regs]

Crimes in a heat of passion. This thread - made in the heat of passion. Same mistake repeated twice.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: piasabird
When a group of 4 or 5 people try to beat a person to death it gets kind of serious.

Part of the problem is that the Nooses should have been considered a hate crime like burning a cross in Black mans Yard. If you dont do more than susped the white guys and do not address the racism, then you are asking for trouble. These guys were probably angry enough that they decided to take it out on the first white guy they found alone in a hallway.

I dont condone the actions of any of the people involved. The principal needs to be fired for not dealing with the problem in a better way. If they had immediately had a meeting in the Gym and explained to the whole school that this type of action was not going to be tolerated and allowed people to discuss it them maybe they could have diffused the situation.

In a way the Black guys succumbed to the pressure and now maybe they could all spend time in jail for quite a few years.

My wife is Asian and I understand the pain people feel when they are called names. There are times when I felt that the principal at my kids school needed to be tied to a tree and whipped, so he could feel their pain. However, the task at hand at school is to learn how to deal with these kind of ignorant idiots. Society is not going to change overnight and maybe not at all. So as humans with compassion we have to learn to live in the society that we have.

He wasn't the first white guy. He used racial slurs against them. He may have been the one who threatened some black kids with a shotgun, but I'm not sure.

 

[Throckmorton]

Just realized that the CNN article doesn't mention the shotgun incident.. A white guy pulled a shotgun on some black kids in a store I think. They managed to take the gun from him and ran away. Those kids were charged with theft, but the white kid wasn't charged with anything

 

[Throckmorton]

http://realcostofprisons.org/b...7/jena_6_take_act.html
http://facebook.com/group.php?gid=2405343039

The noose-hanging incident and the DA's visit to the school set the stage for everything that followed. Racial tension escalated over the next couple of months, and on November 30, the main academic building of Jena High School was burned down in an unsolved fire. Later the same weekend, a black student was beaten up by white students at a party. The next day, black students at a convenience store were threatened by a young white man with a shotgun. They wrestled the gun from him and ran away. While no charges were filed against the white man, the students were later arrested for the theft of the gun.

That Monday at school, a white student, who had been a vocal supporter of the students who hung the nooses, taunted the black student who was beaten up at the off-campus party and allegedly called several black students "*****." After lunch, he was knocked down, punched and kicked by black students. He was taken to the hospital, but was released and was well enough to go to a social event that evening.

Why aren't those details in the CNN article?