wtf is wrong with our legal system

[Ronstang]

This is a situation where having certain kinds of friends that would do anything for you no questions asked comes in very handy.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So you're saying that kids lie all the time, but these parents were somehow unaware of this? Seriously?

Not necessarily all the time, but if the 18 year old tells the 12 year old that she can't tell anyone and that he won't love her if she does, and she has the mad hots for him, what do you think will happen? Did your parents not allow you to go away from home with a friend for, say, an hour or two at a time, in which you could have done something other than what you said you would do?

 

[sixone]

Not necessarily all the time, but if the 18 year old tells the 12 year old that she can't tell anyone and that he won't love her if she does, and she has the mad hots for him, what do you think will happen? Did your parents not allow you to go away from home with a friend for, say, an hour or two at a time, in which you could have done something other than what you said you would do?

A kid that suddenly clams up ought to be a big ol' red flag, to parents who are paying attention. The ones who don't want to know will ignore it.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

A kid that suddenly clams up ought to be a big ol' red flag, to parents who are paying attention. The ones who don't want to know will ignore it.

"Suddenly clams up"? How exactly does conversation work for you such that you see it as...

1) Honest and fluid
2) Quiet and red flag-raising
or
3) Uncaring

...? I'm confused how you cannot acknowledge the possibility in which children can successfully deceive caring parents.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Well, no. I think adultery is absolutely horrible and in a lot of cases should be charged as a crime, especially if you're also legally married. But that's not the case.

So you're saying that kids lie all the time, but these parents were somehow unaware of this? Seriously?

Yes.

I speak from personal experience.

 

[Anubis]

an 18 year old and a 14 year old is like a senior dating a freshmen in HS, this happens a lot, creepy according to the law and what not but to those in HS it would not be given a 2nd thought

and yes Six kids lie all the fucking time, and parents either dont realize they are or realize they are and play dumb, most often they are being fooled

 

[sixone]

and yes Six kids lie all the fucking time, and parents either dont realize they are or realize they are and play dumb, most often they are being fooled

I'm well aware that they do - as are most adults. Any parent who doesn't get that, or doesn't want to get that is negligent.

14 y/o kids have no life experience, and their brains aren't fully developed yet. Any parent who thinks their kid is different wants to be fooled.

 

[dank69]

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EDIT: Maybe it was 14 yoa, i digress

 

[JulesMaximus]

When I was in high school I was dating a girl who was a little over a year younger than me. And by dating I mean fucking.

She was 15 when I first hooked up with her. She turned 16 a few months later, I was 17 and turned 18 2 months after she turned 16 IIRC.

 

[Rage187]

Romeo and Juliette clause.

 

[Vdubchaos]

...? I'm confused how you cannot acknowledge the possibility in which children can successfully deceive caring parents.

I'm gonna have to agree here.

My parents were caring and boy did I lie to them....

I consider myself a caring parent and my kids deceive me ALL the time.

 

[sixone]

I'm gonna have to agree here.

My parents were caring and boy did I lie to them....

I consider myself a caring parent and my kids deceive me ALL the time.

Are they sleeping with 18 y/o's?

 

[Vdubchaos]

Are they sleeping with 18 y/o's?

Funny you say that.

If I was to let my 14 year old daughter be a free range kid....you better believe she would.

At least based on her latest Facebook messages (which btw she was not suppose to be using....sneaked behind our back). We simply do not allow our kids Internet access or smartphones due to the fact that we have 4 and cannot/do not want to read thru books of BS to monitor. Besides the fact that our daughter has a history of deceiving us and has not earned the privilege.

She got the device from some friend (ipod) and was using our neighbors wireless.

Now I'm finding all kinds of disturbing messages between her and her friends. Drug to sex...to suicide. Many parents will be getting disturbing phone call today and rethinking their kids freedoms.....

And get this, 6 months prior she ended up at the police station......hospital for exact same reason (Facebook threats/drama etc). She found a security gap in Google Sketch Up (was able to go around my family policy....and I'm an IT guy mind you). She no longer has access to any PC.

We know she isn't doing drugs or having sex (yet) as she simply doesn't have time/doesn't get out much.......but the people she talks to are for sure.

:/

I'm a pretty young parent and grew up in this f'ed up town.....I'm assuming it's LOT worse when I was young, and let me tell you even back than it was a nightmare.

 

[sixone]

Funny you say that.

If I was to let my 14 year old daughter be a free range kid....you better believe she would.

At least based on her latest Facebook messages (which btw she was not suppose to be using....sneaked behind our back). We simply do not allow our kids Internet access or smartphones due to the fact that we have 4 and cannot/do not want to read thru books of BS to monitor. Besides the fact that our daughter has a history of deceiving us and has not earned the privilege.

She got the device from some friend (ipod) and was using our neighbors wireless.

Now I'm finding all kinds of disturbing messages between her and her friends. Drug to sex...to suicide. Many parents will be getting disturbing phone call today and rethinking their kids freedoms.....

And get this, 6 months prior she ended up at the police station......hospital for exact same reason (Facebook threats/drama etc). She found a security gap in Google Sketch Up (was able to go around my family policy....and I'm an IT guy mind you). She no longer has access to any PC.

We know she isn't doing drugs or having sex (yet) as she simply doesn't have time/doesn't get out much.......but the people she talks to are for sure.

:/

I'm a pretty young parent and grew up in this f'ed up town.....I'm assuming it's LOT worse when I was young, and let me tell you even back than it was a nightmare.

Sounds like you're a responsible parent.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

EDIT: Maybe it was 14 yoa, i digress

Pretty big difference between a 14 year old and a 12 year old; depending on your local jurisdiction, a 14 year old might be legally allowed to have sex with an 18 year old, but a 12 year old never would be able to. But the real issue here; how the hell do the parents not know that their child is carrying on a lengthy sexual relationship with someone? It shouldn't be the government's job to act as a surrogate when parents are too lazy or irresponsible to keep track of their own offspring.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Sounds like you're a responsible parent.

Thanks for that, I appreciate it. But many don't see it this way.....

I'll be starting a thread about this soon (so keep an eye out)

But in general I feel bad. It feels like she is robbing herself of her teenage years with her actions......but at the same time we feel like we are robbing her as well.

We are certainly overprotective of her but I've gone up and beyond to open doors for her to give her a bit of freedom....each time we have done that she took it to extreme and takes it out of control.

Feels like we are keeping her in a cage....and have 0 faith in her at this time.

Fact that she is 14 and her body is more of a 17-18 year old girl does NOT help. And the fact that she has her fathers and mothers blood/brain......certainly makes things LOT worst. We were both pretty rough on our parents during teenage years (I take that back, we were extremely rough)....I guess it's Karmas way of getting us back (even though both my wife and I went thru SO much crazier shit by 14).

More to come.....

 

[zanejohnson]

man some people here have the islamic extremist mentality...

girl gets raped.. she deserved it..and provoked it...


you know they kinda were onto something eh?


in reality, it's our culture that is prude... in other countries this would be NO BIG DEAL.


old enough to keep momentos? sounds like a whore.


not saying i approve of this.. just remember where we are, and that there ARE places that are way different.. we live very very sheltered, very prude lives in this country..in some cultures the women walk around bare breasted... there WHOLE LIFE.... in some places double anal is part of a girls daily routine...

 

[sixone]

Thanks for that, I appreciate it. But many don't see it this way.....

I'll be starting a thread about this soon (so keep an eye out)

But in general I feel bad. It feels like she is robbing herself of her teenage years with her actions......but at the same time we feel like we are robbing her as well.

We are certainly overprotective of her but I've gone up and beyond to open doors for her to give her a bit of freedom....each time we have done that she took it to extreme and takes it out of control.

Feels like we are keeping her in a cage....and have 0 faith in her at this time.

Fact that she is 14 and her body is more of a 17-18 year old girl does NOT help. And the fact that she has her fathers and mothers blood/brain......certainly makes things LOT worst. We were both pretty rough on our parents during teenage years (I take that back, we were extremely rough)....I guess it's Karmas way of getting us back (even though both my wife and I went thru SO much crazier shit by 14).

More to come.....

But the fact remains that you're the only ones standing between her and the chaos that her life would be if you weren't doing what you're doing.

Lots of parents can't get beyond the "feeling bad" part, and still protect their kids. It's those kids who are going to keep suffering through their 20s and into their 30's, or longer. Your kid will be over it, by then.

 

[Vdubchaos]

But the fact remains that you're the only ones standing between her and the chaos that her life would be if you weren't doing what you're doing.

Lots of parents can't get beyond the "feeling bad" part, and still protect their kids. It's those kids who are going to keep suffering through their 20s and into their 30's, or longer. Your kid will be over it, by then.

Thanks Sixone, that means a lot to me....does make me feel better.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Outrage not found.

This is completely average human behavior for this age.

 

[randomrogue]

Way too many fundamentalist christian attitudes here. A 14 year old could be a sophmore in high school and an 18 year old a senior.

Pretty fucking normal.

Deal with it. If you don't like it then don't let your daughter date. That way she can drive every man crazy with her daddy issues later.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Deal with it. If you don't like it then don't let your daughter date. That way she can drive every man crazy with her daddy issues later.

News flash

It's not parents choice to let or not let daughter date, it's a daughters decision.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

News flash

It's not parents choice to let or not let daughter date, it's a daughters decision.

News flash, you're wrong.

 

[eits]

14, i can understand. i'd be sick to my stomach, but i can understand. 12, i might get charged with assault/battery...

 

[sephiroth9878]

Well quite a lot according to a 18 year old and a 12 year old