WTF? Google being told to hand over...

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Genx87

Let's see:
Step 1: Gather search data by IP from Google
Step 2: Gather IP/user log data from ISPs
Step 3: Combine the 2

Is that what they are asking?
Sounds to me like they are looking for search results that are not tied to any one user so they can see if their position holds any water.

If it's not personally identifiable, it cannot help their case which has to do with minors' access to porn.

Either way, I don't even care for them having the statistics. It's one of those things where it's best to err on the side of cation.

Sure it can, they are looking to see how much pr0n gets delivered from search results.
You do realize your scenario above would require more court orders to determine who had what IP at a given time? I doubt the govt has the time nor energy to bother with something as mundane as what you are suggesting.

Nope, ISPs are already being told that to investigate "terrorism", their records must be accessible by the FBI w/o a warrant. It's been discussed here only a couple of weeks ago.

If your ISP hands out that information without a suponea, I suggest getting a new ISP.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Genx87

Let's see:
Step 1: Gather search data by IP from Google
Step 2: Gather IP/user log data from ISPs
Step 3: Combine the 2

Is that what they are asking?
Sounds to me like they are looking for search results that are not tied to any one user so they can see if their position holds any water.

If it's not personally identifiable, it cannot help their case which has to do with minors' access to porn.

Either way, I don't even care for them having the statistics. It's one of those things where it's best to err on the side of cation.

Sure it can, they are looking to see how much pr0n gets delivered from search results.
You do realize your scenario above would require more court orders to determine who had what IP at a given time? I doubt the govt has the time nor energy to bother with something as mundane as what you are suggesting.

Nope, ISPs are already being told that to investigate "terrorism", their records must be accessible by the FBI w/o a warrant. It's been discussed here only a couple of weeks ago.

If your ISP hands out that information without a suponea, I suggest getting a new ISP.

The president signed the bill about a month ago, requiring all ISPs including academic ones, to restructure their data systems to give FBI warrantless monitoring capabilities.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Genx87

Let's see:
Step 1: Gather search data by IP from Google
Step 2: Gather IP/user log data from ISPs
Step 3: Combine the 2

Is that what they are asking?
Sounds to me like they are looking for search results that are not tied to any one user so they can see if their position holds any water.

If it's not personally identifiable, it cannot help their case which has to do with minors' access to porn.

Either way, I don't even care for them having the statistics. It's one of those things where it's best to err on the side of cation.

Sure it can, they are looking to see how much pr0n gets delivered from search results.
You do realize your scenario above would require more court orders to determine who had what IP at a given time? I doubt the govt has the time nor energy to bother with something as mundane as what you are suggesting.

Nope, ISPs are already being told that to investigate "terrorism", their records must be accessible by the FBI w/o a warrant. It's been discussed here only a couple of weeks ago.

If your ISP hands out that information without a suponea, I suggest getting a new ISP.

The president signed the bill about a month ago, requiring all ISPs including academic ones, to restructure their data systems to give FBI warrantless monitoring capabilities.

I'd like to see a link to that considering that is pretty broad.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I'd like to see a link to that considering that is pretty broad.

The first one I could find is:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB...A0E_20061228.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top

But there are tons, just Google for "universities, fbi, internet".

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: dahunan
They aren't asking for STATISTICS AND YOO GOD DAMN WELL KNOW THAT .. fvck.. man I cannot understand the Rovians..

If you are using DSL or Cable.. then your IP is easily used to document searches from YOUR PHYSICAL ADDRESS... yes.. your HOME!!!

Why do you people always do this crap..

"-->> DID YOU KNOW YOUR PC IS BROADCASTING AN IP ADDRESS? CLICK HERE!" <<--

:laugh:



While this is a horrible turn of events, you Chicken Littles are just as bad as your so-called "Rovians." :disgust:

They *are* looking for statistics, it says so right there in this news story and every other one. They are looking for data about how often pornography shows up in web searches in preparation to try and defend that P.O.S. that is the C.O.P.A. Bush does not want to come to your house and ask why you seem to be so intrigued with "12-toed chicks with d1cks," so you can rest easy.

Outrage is the appropriate reaction to this, but at least try to focus a bit more on the real issue, ffs. It doesn't take much to get you spun up into a raving tizzy anymore, does it?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: dahunan
They aren't asking for STATISTICS AND YOO GOD DAMN WELL KNOW THAT .. fvck.. man I cannot understand the Rovians..

If you are using DSL or Cable.. then your IP is easily used to document searches from YOUR PHYSICAL ADDRESS... yes.. your HOME!!!

Why do you people always do this crap..

"-->> DID YOU KNOW YOUR PC IS BROADCASTING AN IP ADDRESS? CLICK HERE!" <<--

:laugh:



While this is a horrible turn of events, you Chicken Littles are just as bad as your so-called "Rovians." :disgust:

They *are* looking for statistics, it says so right there in this news story and every other one. They are looking for data about how often pornography shows up in web searches in preparation to try and defend that P.O.S. that is the C.O.P.A. Bush does not want to come to your house and ask why you seem to be so intrigued with "12-toed chicks with d1cks," so you can rest easy.

Outrage is the appropriate reaction to this, but at least try to focus a bit more on the real issue, ffs. It doesn't take much to get you spun up into a raving tizzy anymore, does it?

It is a slippery slope of the worst degree. These are real issues, the errosion of our liberties.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: dahunan
They aren't asking for STATISTICS AND YOO GOD DAMN WELL KNOW THAT .. fvck.. man I cannot understand the Rovians..

If you are using DSL or Cable.. then your IP is easily used to document searches from YOUR PHYSICAL ADDRESS... yes.. your HOME!!!

Why do you people always do this crap..

"-->> DID YOU KNOW YOUR PC IS BROADCASTING AN IP ADDRESS? CLICK HERE!" <<--

:laugh:



While this is a horrible turn of events, you Chicken Littles are just as bad as your so-called "Rovians." :disgust:

They *are* looking for statistics, it says so right there in this news story and every other one. They are looking for data about how often pornography shows up in web searches in preparation to try and defend that P.O.S. that is the C.O.P.A. Bush does not want to come to your house and ask why you seem to be so intrigued with "12-toed chicks with d1cks," so you can rest easy.

Outrage is the appropriate reaction to this, but at least try to focus a bit more on the real issue, ffs. It doesn't take much to get you spun up into a raving tizzy anymore, does it?

Your confidence in a government who wishes to wiretap without warrant, and to keep it hushed is ill founded. Why on earth do you believe what they say? I havent seen one good reason for it.

What information is in "all web searches"? What is it they really want?

My trust in Uncle Sam is very very small.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Bush is the worst President in history.

He makes some M.E countries look great.

Um, right...Go move to Iraq, Lebannon or Iran and see how much more you like it than the US.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Outrage is the appropriate reaction to this, but at least try to focus a bit more on the real issue, ffs. It doesn't take much to get you spun up into a raving tizzy anymore, does it?

It is a slippery slope of the worst degree. These are real issues, the errosion of our liberties.

Statements which are both poetic and accurate, yet have nothing to do with the current thread of conversation.

Unless, you share in dahunan's "ZOMG! THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE!" panic?

Yes, this is a potential slippery-slope power-grab that we much watch closely and prevent from being granted. Yes, this could lead to severe first-amendment rights breachings. Yes, jumping ahead 10 steps and typing all in caps like a madman about the government tracking you down is a very quick way to get you branded as a paranoid lunatic and have your very real issue dismissed as nothing but the raving of a madman.

It does more harm than good for the cause. It plays right into their hands. They are not stupid.

 

[judasmachine]

They are going to arrest anyone who ever searched for "Da Bomb."

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Genx87
I'd like to see a link to that considering that is pretty broad.

The first one I could find is:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB...A0E_20061228.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top

But there are tons, just Google for "universities, fbi, internet".

This article is about a law passed in 1994 and doesnt mention anything about the FBI getting information without a warrant.

 

[judasmachine]

warrants are a forgone conclusion when you have pet judges who handover whatever you ask for.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
heh I wonder if the government paid for the data would google give it up?

sounds like the gov is too lazy/stupid to do its own work

Not when it involved dealing a blow to the porn industry, which Our Lord Chimpy tells us is evil.

Edit: These kind of threads always amuse me, because as much as the Repubs claim to distrust government and want smaller government, they're always happy to turn over their privacy to government whenever the government tells them its for their own safety. They're the first to say, "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from intrusive government searches."

 

[mect]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Genx87

Let's see:
Step 1: Gather search data by IP from Google
Step 2: Gather IP/user log data from ISPs
Step 3: Combine the 2

Is that what they are asking?
Sounds to me like they are looking for search results that are not tied to any one user so they can see if their position holds any water.

If it's not personally identifiable, it cannot help their case which has to do with minors' access to porn.

Either way, I don't even care for them having the statistics. It's one of those things where it's best to err on the side of cation.

How will an isp tell them if a minor is using the computer? Unless you think the government is going to bother going through all the records, determine which households have minors that use the internet, match those up, contact the individual to find out when their children are using the computer, etc. I don't see anything in that article to suggest they would connect searches to isp adresses. However, I agree that the government doesn't need this data, and should conduct their own study to get what they need which will be far cheaper than going through the court to try to get a businessess to give away data they don't want to disclose about something not pertaining to current laws.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
They are going to arrest anyone who ever searched for "Da Bomb."

quit peeking out the curtains

 

[dmcowen674]

OMG

You Republicans have to admit this is 1930's Germany re-visited.

Thank you very much Un-American Ant-American Traitors.

"Google has refused to comply with the subpoena, issued last year, for a broad range of material from its databases, including a request for 1 million random Web addresses and records of all Google searches from any one-week period"

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Your confidence in a government who wishes to wiretap without warrant, and to keep it hushed is ill founded. Why on earth do you believe what they say? I havent seen one good reason for it.

What information is in "all web searches"? What is it they really want?

My trust in Uncle Sam is very very small.

I have no confidence in the government proper, and anyone who does is a fool. What I do have confidence in is the American people. This includes the blue-collar workers, the keyboard jockies, the press, the faux intellectuals, the real intellectuals, the voters, the couch potatoes, the American Idol voters, the campaign volunteers, the protestors, etc. These institutions are what keep power-grabs in check. These are the ones in control. These are the ones who make a difference. The people who write their reps, expressing their opinions on these issues (has anyone here already done so?) The people who post opinions, backed by logic, reason, and research.

No, you've mistaken where my allegiance lies. It lies with my country as a whole, not its individual leaders.

 

[arsbanned]

Clinton has a sekrit love child too? Damn!

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
heh I wonder if the government paid for the data would google give it up?

sounds like the gov is too lazy/stupid to do its own work

Not when it involved dealing a blow to the porn industry, which Our Lord Chimpy tells us is evil.

Edit: These kind of threads always amuse me, because as much as the Repubs claim to distrust government and want smaller government, they're always happy to turn over their privacy to government whenever the government tells them its for their own safety. They're the first to say, "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from intrusive government searches."

*frantically searches the thread for those who have claimed this to be perfectly OK and are willing to give up their privacy*

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Your confidence in a government who wishes to wiretap without warrant, and to keep it hushed is ill founded. Why on earth do you believe what they say? I havent seen one good reason for it.

What information is in "all web searches"? What is it they really want?

My trust in Uncle Sam is very very small.

I have no confidence in the government proper, and anyone who does is a fool. What I do have confidence in is the American people. This includes the blue-collar workers, the keyboard jockies, the press, the faux intellectuals, the real intellectuals, the voters, the couch potatoes, the American Idol voters, the campaign volunteers, the protestors, etc. These institutions are what keep power-grabs in check. These are the ones in control. These are the ones who make a difference. The people who write their reps, expressing their opinions on these issues (has anyone here already done so?) The people who post opinions, backed by logic, reason, and research.

No, you've mistaken where my allegiance lies. It lies with my country as a whole, not its individual leaders.

I promise there is nothing sarcastic or rude about this question.. it is a bit tinfoilish <new word.. I just made it up

What if it was proven, say 20 years from now, that the Diebold machines were hacked to give bush and cheney the Presidency..

Would you still have faith in the "people" of America?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Your confidence in a government who wishes to wiretap without warrant, and to keep it hushed is ill founded. Why on earth do you believe what they say? I havent seen one good reason for it.

What information is in "all web searches"? What is it they really want?

My trust in Uncle Sam is very very small.

I have no confidence in the government proper, and anyone who does is a fool. What I do have confidence in is the American people. This includes the blue-collar workers, the keyboard jockies, the press, the faux intellectuals, the real intellectuals, the voters, the couch potatoes, the American Idol voters, the campaign volunteers, the protestors, etc. These institutions are what keep power-grabs in check. These are the ones in control. These are the ones who make a difference. The people who write their reps, expressing their opinions on these issues (has anyone here already done so?) The people who post opinions, backed by logic, reason, and research.

No, you've mistaken where my allegiance lies. It lies with my country as a whole, not its individual leaders.

I promise there is nothing sarcastic or rude about this question.. it is a bit tinfoilish <new word.. I just made it up

What if it was proven, say 20 years from now, that the Diebold machines were hacked to give bush and cheney the Presidency..

Would you still have faith in the "people" of America?

Of course. If you do not, what is stopping you from putting a a gun to your head right now? I mean, if no one can be trusted and we are all doomed no matter what we do, why do you go on, if not because of some faith?

Besides, if it were "proven" 20 years from now, that would mean that someone was working to expose the truth, no? Would you abandon those truth-seekers now, just because of their tardiness?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Your confidence in a government who wishes to wiretap without warrant, and to keep it hushed is ill founded. Why on earth do you believe what they say? I havent seen one good reason for it.

What information is in "all web searches"? What is it they really want?

My trust in Uncle Sam is very very small.

I have no confidence in the government proper, and anyone who does is a fool. What I do have confidence in is the American people. This includes the blue-collar workers, the keyboard jockies, the press, the faux intellectuals, the real intellectuals, the voters, the couch potatoes, the American Idol voters, the campaign volunteers, the protestors, etc. These institutions are what keep power-grabs in check. These are the ones in control. These are the ones who make a difference. The people who write their reps, expressing their opinions on these issues (has anyone here already done so?) The people who post opinions, backed by logic, reason, and research.

No, you've mistaken where my allegiance lies. It lies with my country as a whole, not its individual leaders.

I promise there is nothing sarcastic or rude about this question.. it is a bit tinfoilish <new word.. I just made it up

What if it was proven, say 20 years from now, that the Diebold machines were hacked to give bush and cheney the Presidency..

Would you still have faith in the "people" of America?

Of course. If you do not, what is stopping you from putting a a gun to your head right now? I mean, if no one can be trusted and we are all doomed no matter what we do, why do you go on, if not because of some faith?

Besides, if it were "proven" 20 years from now, that would mean that someone was working to expose the truth, no? Would you abandon those truth-seekers now, just because of their tardiness?

Thank you for answering my question

Nah.. never abandon the truth seekers.. but why should people have so much power that they can cover the truth for so long..

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: minus1972

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: minus1972

Originally posted by: Genx87
Trying to revive a law passed in 1998.

which was struck down because it was too overreaching. and instead of re-writing it as the Supreme Court suggested, they're pulling this crap.

Yeah but the point is this is Clintons baby.

I don't care. It could have been George Washington acting from beyond the grave and it would still be bullsh!t.

QFT.

Nice to know I need to spoof my MAC and proxy my Google searches now. FFS.

 

[jpeyton]

Luckily Google is the type of company that would go to war with the US government in the courts.

I'm not worried about anything except the US government making asses out of themselves, again.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: minus1972

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: minus1972

Originally posted by: Genx87
Trying to revive a law passed in 1998.

which was struck down because it was too overreaching. and instead of re-writing it as the Supreme Court suggested, they're pulling this crap.

Yeah but the point is this is Clintons baby.

I don't care. It could have been George Washington acting from beyond the grave and it would still be bullsh!t.

QFT.

Nice to know I need to spoof my MAC and proxy my Google searches now. FFS.

No you don't have to do that for google. But it did say OTHER search engines already gave up the info.