WTF Ford?

[ShawnD1]

You guys keep telling me the EU cycle gives much better efficiency ratings than the EPA cycle, but I haven't really seen that when looking it up. Looks pretty damn close to the same thing.

EU's rating system is probably the same as the old American system or current Canadian system. Modern American system says a toyota corolla gets 34mpg. Modern Canadian (old American) system says the same car gets 50mpg imperial. If you correct for the units, that 50 imperial works out to roughly 42mpg US.

A very quick ballpark estimate would be:
80mpg EU fiesta * 34/50 conversion factor = 54.4mpg US (highway only)

Sounds about right. Anyone driving a petrol powered Ford Fiesta who isn't a retard could easily get 40-45mpg highway. Diesel engines are often about 20% better, so that would bring it up to 50-55mpg. There's realy nothing magical here.

 

[DougoMan]

Around here diesel costs 10% more so that offsets some of the gain.

 

[Perknose]

You guys keep telling me the EU cycle gives much better efficiency ratings than the EPA cycle, but I haven't really seen that when looking it up. Looks pretty damn close to the same thing.

I'm not sure what you're looking at but the EU cycle consistently returns significantly better fuel usage ratings than the EPA cycle, and this is a known and utterly uncontested fact.

EU's rating system is probably the same as the old American system or current Canadian system.

It's not. The test methodology differs, which probably accounts for the significantly different results.

Edit: From Wiki (shrug): EU fuel consumption numbers tend to be considerably lower than corresponding US EPA test results for the same vehicle. For example, the 2011 Honda CR-Z with a five-speed manual transmission is rated 6.1/4.4 l/100 km in Europe and 7.6/6.4 l/100 km in the United States[

 

[sdifox]

Yeah, the new one is the American version of the Scion. It appeals to the first time buyer/young driver and is customizable and affordable. They do look fairly sharp for a tiny car:

not really, a lot of grown ups buy them too. It is not really a cheap car.

 

[Fritzo]

not really, a lot of grown ups buy them too. It is not really a cheap car.

http://www.ford.com/cars/fiesta/pricing/?searchid=426441|32522973|210910854

New they average around $15000....that's about as cheap as you can get.

 

[ShawnD1]

Its basically a toyota echo without the ridiculously bad looks. Its not big or expensive, its an echo.

Imo, drug dealers should drive toyota echos. Police would never suspect that someone in a car that ugly could be a baller.

 

[lokiju]

I'm seriously tempted to get a clean diesel as a future car.

BMW's new 3 series looks mighty tempting...

 

[sdifox]

http://www.ford.com/cars/fiesta/pricing/?searchid=426441|32522973|210910854

New they average around $15000....that's about as cheap as you can get.

Not up here in Canada. with auto and sync package it's 22916 after taxes.

 

[ShawnD1]

Not up here in Canada. with auto and sync package it's 22916 after taxes.

It's still the cheapest car you can buy, similar to a Yaris/Echo/shitbox

build and price a LOL Yaris
http://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/build-price/yah#pricing

Your 2011 YARIS HATCHBACK 5DR RS 4A Standard Package
Transmission: Automatic
Exterior Colour: 3P0 ABSOLUTELY RED
Interior: Dark Grey / Cloth

Summary Creation Date:

Apr 8, 2011 8:16 AM, GMT-0600
Reference Code: KT4K3P AA 03P0
All prices are based on the MSRP. Dealer may sell for less. A Toyota dealer is free to set its own selling price for Toyota products and services. Accessory pricing includes installation. Taxes and Levies shown are applicable in Ontario.

Cash price: $24,392.50

I only rip on the Yaris because it looks astoundingly gay. It's really not a bad car. Fun to drive too.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Not up here in Canada. with auto and sync package it's 22916 after taxes.

Automatic.... ewwww

 

[bfdd]

I'm not sure what you're looking at but the EU cycle consistently returns significantly better fuel usage ratings than the EPA cycle, and this is a known and utterly uncontested fact.



It's not. The test methodology differs, which probably accounts for the significantly different results.

Edit: From Wiki (shrug): EU fuel consumption numbers tend to be considerably lower than corresponding US EPA test results for the same vehicle. For example, the 2011 Honda CR-Z with a five-speed manual transmission is rated 6.1/4.4 l/100 km in Europe and 7.6/6.4 l/100 km in the United States[

first you tell me that the EU is significantly higher, but it's like 20%. That isn't that much. Easy to see where the 67 from 80 came from when you compare the numbers, not including the imperial gallons to us gallons thing.

 

[sdifox]

Automatic.... ewwww

6 speed dual clutch do not suck.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

first you tell me that the EU is significantly higher, but it's like 20%. That isn't that much. Easy to see where the 67 from 80 came from when you compare the numbers, not including the imperial gallons to us gallons thing.

fine, 80 mpg. whatever.

 

[ElFenix]

first you tell me that the EU is significantly higher, but it's like 20%. That isn't that much. Easy to see where the 67 from 80 came from when you compare the numbers, not including the imperial gallons to us gallons thing.

20% is significant because it's always 20%.

differences in EU and US emissions control equipment has a lot to do with it.