wtf? C&D tests 2010 Chevy Equinox at 18 MPG

[SickBeast]

MIKEMIKE you can indoctrinate this forum with GM propaganda all you want.

As a "shareholder" of GM I would like them gutted to the core. By that I mean Cadillac (the brand), the Corvette, and perhaps a Buick (one car). I'm sure that there are many people out there who would agree with me.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
nope, but give it time, the Equinox sold 13,157 last month, and the CR-V 30,857 or so, so we both know that 30k is an outrageous amount sold, and the Equinox is all new and probably did not have supply to meet demand during C4C. the CR-V is an ugly vehicle, don't get me wrong, but the Equinox is just as good in every way, and better in many...

Fixed.

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I will say that GM has come a very long way in terms of fuel economy, especially in light of how much power their cars and trucks have. I'm particularly impressed with cars like the HHR and the Cobalt. That said, where they fail and where they have always failed is in their designs and their build quality. Look at the seams between the panels on a current Honda Civic, even measure it if you want. Then, go up to any GM car save for maybe the Corvette, and see the difference.

I did.. was not impressed. Old coworker of mine had a newer Civic (forget the exact year but it was a recent model) and I could stick my fingers in the gaps between the door trim and the headliner at the corners. I honestly was not impressed by any fit and finish, it looked to be run-of-the-mill it fits "ok" so good enough type thing.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
MIKEMIKE you can indoctrinate this forum with GM propaganda all you want.

As a "shareholder" of GM I would like them gutted to the core. By that I mean Cadillac (the brand), the Corvette, and perhaps a Buick (one car). I'm sure that there are many people out there who would agree with me.

Yes, because that makes complete business sense :roll:

Seriously, why do people act like an American car company raped their dog? If you don't like a car don't buy it.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: stateofbeasley
Seems like the car mags floor the hell out of any car they get their hands on.

Here's the Escape's MPG according to C&D.

C&D Link

21 MPG combined for the 4-cylinder, rated 20/28.

I rented a V6 Escape a few years ago and averaged about 18-19mpg driving between Norfolk and the outer banks of NC. I probably put about 300 miles on that vehicle in 4 days time.

 

[LTC8K6]

Seriously, why do people act like an American car company raped their dog? If you don't like a car don't buy it.

Because they have been making UAW junk for a long time? 😀 (even if they have improved a little recently)

Because they have been bowing and scraping to the UAW's demands for decades? 😀

Because they were recently rewarded several times to the tune of billions of our tax dollars for making poor vehicles and running a poor business for decades? 😀

Because they just screwed their stockholders? 😀

etc., etc., etc.

It's not like this stuff is news or anything.

I don't know why anyone would dislike GM, either...

It's a big mystery. 😀

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
MIKEMIKE you can indoctrinate this forum with GM propaganda all you want.

As a "shareholder" of GM I would like them gutted to the core. By that I mean Cadillac (the brand), the Corvette, and perhaps a Buick (one car). I'm sure that there are many people out there who would agree with me.

i bet there would be absolutely ZERO support for you, not a single person in this forum would be supporting your crazy idea

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Seriously, why do people act like an American car company raped their dog? If you don't like a car don't buy it.

Because they have been making UAW junk for a long time? 😀 (even if they have improved a little recently)

Because they have been bowing and scraping to the UAW's demands for decades? 😀

Because they were recently rewarded several times to the tune of billions of our tax dollars for making poor vehicles and running a poor business for decades? 😀

Because they just screwed their stockholders? 😀

etc., etc., etc.

It's not like this stuff is news or anything.

I don't know why anyone would dislike GM, either...

It's a big mystery. 😀

I can understand why people might dislike the company but it's ludicrous to act like it personally is harming them by continuing to exist. Whether or not you agree with the bail out for the car companies it's already been done. Demanding the death of the company is asinine because that will guarantee that the taxpayer will lose every dime that they put into it, whether or not they wanted to in the first place. The bailout is a sunk cost and the only way to get any money back is for the companies to continue to exist.

 

[LTC8K6]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

I can understand why people might dislike the company but it's ludicrous to act like it personally is harming them by continuing to exist. Whether or not you agree with the bail out for the car companies it's already been done. Demanding the death of the company is asinine because that will guarantee that the taxpayer will lose every dime that they put into it, whether or not they wanted to in the first place. The bailout is a sunk cost and the only way to get any money back is for the companies to continue to exist.

Wasting your tax money is personally harming you...

Propping up the UAW is as well...

A lot of folks would be of the opinion that the money isn't coming back anyway andit never was. It was gone when it was handed over to a poorly run company with few good products and giant liabilities.

Just like they were of the opinion that it would have been cheaper and easier to have declared a normal bankruptcy, which would have voided all contracts, before throwing all that money in the toilet.

Instead we threw the money in the toilet, and had some sort of strange bankruptcy anyway...which somehow benefitted the UAW...

Plus a government attempt to prop up that same company that it now has a stake in with a $3B tax money give away, that looks like it failed for GM anyway...

It was a clusterfuck the moment the admin decided to stick it's nose in, imo.

It makes my blood boil every time I think about it, and I am a long time Chevy man.

 

[LTC8K6]

C & D got 14mpg with the Neon SRT-4, iirc. 😀

Cars were meant to be driven, though.

Can't fault them there, I don't think.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: SickBeast
MIKEMIKE you can indoctrinate this forum with GM propaganda all you want.

As a "shareholder" of GM I would like them gutted to the core. By that I mean Cadillac (the brand), the Corvette, and perhaps a Buick (one car). I'm sure that there are many people out there who would agree with me.

i bet there would be absolutely ZERO support for you, not a single person in this forum would be supporting your crazy idea

Fair enough. I would add the new Camaro to the mix. OK fine, one truck as well. Perhaps it should be a Cadillac though. Same goes for a small car.

I only do this for free as a taxpayer. :beer:

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: SickBeast
MIKEMIKE you can indoctrinate this forum with GM propaganda all you want.

As a "shareholder" of GM I would like them gutted to the core. By that I mean Cadillac (the brand), the Corvette, and perhaps a Buick (one car). I'm sure that there are many people out there who would agree with me.

i bet there would be absolutely ZERO support for you, not a single person in this forum would be supporting your crazy idea

Fair enough. I would add the new Camaro to the mix. OK fine, one truck as well. Perhaps it should be a Cadillac though. Same goes for a small car.

I only do this for free as a taxpayer. :beer:

It's a good thing you're doing it for free because I doubt anyone would ever want to pay you for your business advice.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
KISS would then outlaw Honda... simple doesnt mean tight fitting panel gaps... and trust me, go compare any of the following cars to any honda, and tell me which are tighter.

2009 Malibu
2009 CTS
2010 SRX
2010 Equinox
2009 Solstice
2010 Buick Lacrosse
2009 Tahoe
2009 Saturn Vue
2009 GMC Terrain
2009 Traverse
2009 Enclave
2009 Outlook
2009 Acadia
2008 Silverado
2009 G8

thanks, this is 2009, not 2000

Who would consider any of those? There is not one that I would have been interested in. None of those could compete with an Outback... 8.7 inches of ground clearance, AWD, and 30+ mpg.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
i bet there would be absolutely ZERO support for you, not a single person in this forum would be supporting your crazy idea

I would. GM should have gone through bankruptcy without government intervention.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
i bet there would be absolutely ZERO support for you, not a single person in this forum would be supporting your crazy idea

I would. GM should have gone through bankruptcy without government intervention.

So you would support "NOW" gutting GM and liquidating it? It's already happened and no amount of complaining will change it now. Why not just let it go forward and see what happens?

That would be the same statement as saying I support gutting the banks. They should have failed on their own but since the government got in, let's gut them NOW.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Engineer
So you would support "NOW" gutting GM and liquidating it? It's already happened and no amount of complaining will change it now. Why not just let it go forward and see what happens?

That would be the same statement as saying I support gutting the banks. They should have failed on their own but since the government got in, let's gut them NOW.

I think now, all control should be truned back over to the original shareholders.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Engineer
So you would support "NOW" gutting GM and liquidating it? It's already happened and no amount of complaining will change it now. Why not just let it go forward and see what happens?

That would be the same statement as saying I support gutting the banks. They should have failed on their own but since the government got in, let's gut them NOW.

I think now, all control should be truned back over to the original shareholders.

Yes, because losing any possible chance of getting back the money dumped into the company is great economics. If the stockholders had coughed up the money to keep the company afloat they would have retained their stake in the company. They didn't, the company went bankrupt and the group that can provide enough funding to keep the company alive gets the majority ownership. Any group that walked in there with a chunk of cash to keep the company afloat could have bought a majority share in the company, destroying what little value the stock still had.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Engineer
So you would support "NOW" gutting GM and liquidating it? It's already happened and no amount of complaining will change it now. Why not just let it go forward and see what happens?

That would be the same statement as saying I support gutting the banks. They should have failed on their own but since the government got in, let's gut them NOW.

I think now, all control should be truned back over to the original shareholders.

No, gut the banks as well!

Why do you think the tallest buildings we have today are banks? Because they are the most powerful. People today worship money. If you look at the biggest buildings of yesteryear, I think you will see that people worshiped something else until the printing press was invented.

White collar crime and greed unrequited will bring us all down if we let it happen. Greed comes in many forms. Craving too much freedom is greed, for example. The same goes for money.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Engineer
So you would support "NOW" gutting GM and liquidating it? It's already happened and no amount of complaining will change it now. Why not just let it go forward and see what happens?

That would be the same statement as saying I support gutting the banks. They should have failed on their own but since the government got in, let's gut them NOW.

I think now, all control should be truned back over to the original shareholders.

No, gut the banks as well!

Why do you think the tallest buildings we have today are banks? Because they are the most powerful. People today worship money. If you look at the biggest buildings of yesteryear, I think you will see that people worshiped something else until the printing press was invented.

White collar crime and greed unrequited will bring us all down if we let it happen. Greed comes in many forms. Craving too much freedom is greed, for example. The same goes for money.

I could see where you were coming from until you said it was wrong to want more freedom.

 

[LTC8K6]

It's hardly a stretch to believe that we won't be getting any of that money back anyway, and that we'd be out a lot less money if bankruptcy had happened much earlier and in the normal fashion.

That's a reasonable position, imo.

It's also reasonable to think we may lose lots more money due to continuing poor performance of GM and Chrysler, and it may indeed be better to cut and run.

Obama admin may be of the mindset that GM and Chrysler really can't be allowed to fail now, and begin to throw more money at the problems...

The next few months could very well give us a definite answer...

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Engineer
So you would support "NOW" gutting GM and liquidating it? It's already happened and no amount of complaining will change it now. Why not just let it go forward and see what happens?

That would be the same statement as saying I support gutting the banks. They should have failed on their own but since the government got in, let's gut them NOW.

I think now, all control should be truned back over to the original shareholders.

No, gut the banks as well!

Why do you think the tallest buildings we have today are banks? Because they are the most powerful. People today worship money. If you look at the biggest buildings of yesteryear, I think you will see that people worshiped something else until the printing press was invented.

White collar crime and greed unrequited will bring us all down if we let it happen. Greed comes in many forms. Craving too much freedom is greed, for example. The same goes for money.

I could see where you were coming from until you said it was wrong to want more freedom.

Do you think we should have the right to kill each other?

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Do you think we should have the right to kill each other?

We already do with abortion. But that is a much different question than eceonomic freedom.

 

[SickBeast]

How about the right to control others? Should we have that?

The right to siphon off someone's savings? That's what the banks just did, along with a gang of white collar thugs.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
How about the right to control others? Should we have that?

The right to siphon off someone's savings? That's what the banks just did, along with a gang of white collar thugs.

I'm all for freedom as long as it doesn't impinge on the freedom of others. for example I'm free to paint my house whatever color I want even if my neighbor hates it. I'm not free to paint HIS house whatever color I want.

How exactly did the banks siphon off people's money? Madoff did but he wasn't free to do that, he broke huge list of laws and will spend the rest of his life in a small cell. I don't see where you're coming from on how the banks are stealing people's cash.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: SickBeast
How about the right to control others? Should we have that?

The right to siphon off someone's savings? That's what the banks just did, along with a gang of white collar thugs.

I'm all for freedom as long as it doesn't impinge on the freedom of others. for example I'm free to paint my house whatever color I want even if my neighbor hates it. I'm not free to paint HIS house whatever color I want.

How exactly did the banks siphon off people's money? Madoff did but he wasn't free to do that, he broke huge list of laws and will spend the rest of his life in a small cell. I don't see where you're coming from on how the banks are stealing people's cash.

I'm assuming that the banks have inside knowledge when it comes to large transactions. Even with 9/11, people bought MASSIVE quantities of gold immediately beforehand.

 

[SickBeast]

The corruption just seems so rampant with the banks, something needs to be done. I keep hearing stories about guys running off to Tahiti with 200 people's life savings.