WTC mosque - would they allow women to pray next to men

[Vonkhan]

Most mosques have separate areas for men & women to pray in.

 

[shadow9d9]

The left stopped caring about women's rights a long time ago.

If it wasn't for the "left", women would not be able to vote or work. If you had it your republican way, that is.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Most mosques have separate areas for men & women to pray in.

Yep and Orthodox jews and there's a lot of them in New York I would think, because everytime I see a pic of NY there seems to be a few in the background.
Some backward Christian groups do the same too

 

[peonyu]

Its more interesting to find out who is really funding this Mosque and why its being kept a secret. Its probably the Saudi Royal family, they are funding several mega mosques in Europe to.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Its more interesting to find out who is really funding this Mosque and why its being kept a secret. Its probably the Saudi Royal family, they are funding several mega mosques in Europe to.

It's already been discussed in another thread
Fox is funding the Mosque

 

[bamacre]

There is Constitutional right to pray next to men on others' private property? I would like to be educated on where it is.

Private property? I thought it was "open to the public?"

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I am not a Muslim. I am genuinely interested in the following ...

Muslims feel their constitutional rights have been violated with regard to this mosque issue.

So, when this mosque gets built ... would the Muslims be violating women's rights if they deny women worshipers the same access as men ?

Would they allow women to pray next to men ?

Would they allow women wearing western clothes ... e.g. skirts ?

If they don't ... are they violating women's constitutional rights ?

Anyone here know ?

Just curious.

// Vulcan //

Will they allow men to pray next to women?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Private property? I thought it was "open to the public?"

Is a bar open to the public? Come on, you know better than that.

 

[JS80]

Fear No Evil

You are absolutely full of it. Gender did not play a significant role in the election.

"The Left" not supporting women's rights?

opposition to various forms of birth control = right wing

opposition to a woman's right to choose = right wing

opposition to equal pay for equal work = right wing

There are many more. But it has been the awful Left that has kept you oppressive right-wingers in check. Please try to make statements that are factually correct in the future.

Oooh can i play?

legalizing the murdering of innocent babies = left wing

unfairly benefiting women for the sub-standard work they produce = left wing

 

[jackschmittusa]

JS80

legalizing the murdering of innocent babies = religious, non-scientific interpretation, improper use of the word baby anyway

unfairly benefiting women for the sub-standard work they produce = ridiculous, unsupported accusation

Please play some more and fail some more. Entertaining to say the least.

 

[Vonkhan]

Would they allow women wearing western clothes ... e.g. skirts ?

Both men and women observe dress codes at mosques, but the rules differ from mosque to mosque.

For men long length pants are a must. Short sleeved shirts are usually ok. Some muslims wear a headcap and some dont.

For women, the head must be covered. The degree really differs depending upon the affiliation of the mosque. I've observed muslim women from the Indian subcontinent wearing a thin, semi-transparent shawl (known as a duppatta) covering their hair. However, for mosques that cater predominantly to middle eastern muslims - the women wear hijab (a scarf that totally covers hair and the ears). Rest of the clothing usually covers most of the body.

 

[bamacre]

Is a bar open to the public? Come on, you know better than that.

Let's pretend I don't.

You tell me, is a bar open to the public?

 

[BassBomb]

Both men and women observe dress codes at mosques, but the rules differ from mosque to mosque.

For men long length pants are a must. Short sleeved shirts are usually ok. Some muslims wear a headcap and some dont.

For women, the head must be covered. The degree really differs depending upon the affiliation of the mosque. I've observed muslim women from the Indian subcontinent wearing a thin, semi-transparent shawl (known as a duppatta) covering their hair. However, for mosques that cater predominantly to middle eastern muslims - the women wear hijab (a scarf that totally covers hair and the ears). Rest of the clothing usually covers most of the body.

quoted for truth

 

[Vonkhan]

and o yeah, here's a photo:

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/08/20/nyregion/20100820wip-2.html

"clubhouse for terrorists"

heh

o well ...

 

[yllus]

Would they allow women to pray next to men ?

Almost certainly not.

Would they allow women wearing western clothes ... e.g. skirts ?

Almost certainly not.

If they don't ... are they violating women's constitutional rights ?

No idea.

 

[werepossum]

From the AP ...

Tawfik Hamid, an Egyptian scholar and reformer who said he was once a member of a terrorist group, said he had a "conditional objection" to the proposed Islamic center.


He said it was not enough for Park51 leaders to call themselves moderate. Instead, they should "clearly and unambiguously" reject radicalization by opposing specific extremist practices, such as killing apostates, stoning women for adultery, calling Jews "pigs and monkeys" and "declaring war" on non-Muslims who refuse to convert.


"This, in my view, will be perceived by radicals in Islam as a defeat for their ideology," said Hamid, senior fellow at the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies. "They think in a very primitive way. If they see a mosque near ground zero, this would certainly be perceived as a sign of victory for al-Qaeda. In the end, they will think, `They are bowing to us.'"

This is exactly my feelings as well. Too many Muslims profess moderation only as a preface to yet another attack on America and western/non-Islamic culture.

Daisy Khan often wears western dress and does not normally cover her hair, so I'm assuming that this mosque would allow western dress as long as the hair is covered - perhaps even pants, as this mosque does not have a community in place to serve and would presumably be dependent on local workers as well as Islamic tourists. From what I understand very, very few mosques allow women to pray with men, so I'm assuming this would not be allowed. Both of those are guesses of course. The constitutional rights thing is not an issue - you cannot be prevented from worshiping as you wish (assuming laws are being followed), but you don't have the right to force a particular church or temple or mosque to accommodate your desires.

 

[Vonkhan]

From what I understand very, very few mosques allow women to pray with men, so I'm assuming this would not be allowed.

Like I said before, nearly all mosques have separate areas for men and women to pray in. This is mainly because of the actions involved while praying (the ritual is known as namaz). While praying, the congregation lines up abreast in rows. Part of it involves bowing heavily - so if men & women were to pray together, I'd imagine that the latter wouldn't be too comfortable having their rears in close proximity to a man's face right behind them. Praying "side by side" wouldn't be very viable ... hence, different areas to pray in.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Let's pretend I don't.

You tell me, is a bar open to the public?

Of course it is.

Does that mean that the private establishment, open to the public, cannot set any rules?

Ladies night is allowed, isn't it? Different ages for men and women are allowed, aren't they?

Again, if this is discrimination, are men allowed to pray next to women?

If not, it's not discrimination, it's equality.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Oooh can i play?

legalizing the murdering of innocent babies = left wing

unfairly benefiting women for the sub-standard work they produce = left wing

So women perform sub-standard work?

Spoken like a true misogynist Christian man who owns his wife as property.

 

[her209]

So women perform sub-standard work?

Spoken like a true misogynist Christian man who owns his wife as property.

This is JS80 we're talking about. You have to give him some slack.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

This is JS80 we're talking about. You have to give him some slack.

You mean i shouldn't respond to his trolling?

 

[TheVrolok]

and o yeah, here's a photo:

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/08/20/nyregion/20100820wip-2.html

"clubhouse for terrorists"

heh

o well ...

Look at those schemers scheme! Diabolical!

 

[vulcanman]

from ... http://www.pbs.org/engage/blog/ask-mosque-morgantown%E2%80%99s-asra-nomani

Journalist Asra Nomani witnessed Islamic extremism when her friend and colleague Daniel Pearl was killed in 2002. When she returned to her hometown of Morgantown, West Virginia to raise her son, she perceived her local mosque to be moving towards extremism. When she attempted to enter the mosque through the front door, Nomani was told that women could not pray alongside men and that she would have to use the back door.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

from ... http://www.pbs.org/engage/blog/ask-mosque-morgantown%E2%80%99s-asra-nomani

Journalist Asra Nomani witnessed Islamic extremism when her friend and colleague Daniel Pearl was killed in 2002. When she returned to her hometown of Morgantown, West Virginia to raise her son, she perceived her local mosque to be moving towards extremism. When she attempted to enter the mosque through the front door, Nomani was told that women could not pray alongside men and that she would have to use the back door.

That's nothing compared to what i have seen, i've seen the Taliban in full action, i've seen camps where teenage girls were shot in side their vagina and left to bleed to death, i've seen pree teen girls with acid burned bodies or their uterus ripped out of them.

Does that mean that every Muslim is like that? Is every Christian like the RIRA, ETA or LRA? Does the Waco nutters represent Christians? Are Christians represented by the LRA in Uganda that string up women and children and hack them to death with machetes after raping them?

You can't hold the majority guilty for what the minorities actions, if you could, we'd all be horrible since all religions and all ethnicities have committed a genocide at some point in time.

I've seen things you cannot imagine and *I* don't judge every Muslim for it, why do you?

 

[nobodyknows]

They are waiting to see when Catholics ordain women priests.

And let their priests get married... or at least date!!