WTC mosque - would they allow women to pray next to men

vulcanman

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I am not a Muslim. I am genuinely interested in the following ...

Muslims feel their constitutional rights have been violated with regard to this mosque issue.

So, when this mosque gets built ... would the Muslims be violating women's rights if they deny women worshipers the same access as men ?

Would they allow women to pray next to men ?

Would they allow women wearing western clothes ... e.g. skirts ?

If they don't ... are they violating women's constitutional rights ?

Anyone here know ?

Just curious.

// Vulcan //
 

BoomerD

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Does it matter if they do or not?

How would it be a violation of the women's Constitutional rights?

AFAIK, the US Constitution doesn't interfere in any religion's internal policies.
 

theeedude

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There is Constitutional right to pray next to men on others' private property? I would like to be educated on where it is.
 

jackschmittusa

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Fear No Evil

What rights are being ignored now?

You mean like no women priests for the Catholic Church?

Women can't wear the same caps in Synagogue as men?

Gay women can't be preachers in the Baptist church?

Women must dress "plain" for Amish services.

I must have missed you championing these issues. lol
 

vulcanman

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What rights are being ignored now?

You mean like no women priests for the Catholic Church?

Women can't wear the same caps in Synagogue as men?

Gay women can't be preachers in the Baptist church?

Women must dress "plain" for Amish services.

I must have missed you championing these issues. lol

I am glad I am an atheist.
 

Fear No Evil

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What rights are being ignored now?

You mean like no women priests for the Catholic Church?

Women can't wear the same caps in Synagogue as men?

Gay women can't be preachers in the Baptist church?

Women must dress "plain" for Amish services.

I must have missed you championing these issues. lol

Like women can run for President. The left shut that down pretty damn fast when it was clear Hillary was going to win the Democrat primaries.
 

jackschmittusa

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You are absolutely full of it. Gender did not play a significant role in the election.

"The Left" not supporting women's rights?

opposition to various forms of birth control = right wing

opposition to a woman's right to choose = right wing

opposition to equal pay for equal work = right wing

There are many more. But it has been the awful Left that has kept you oppressive right-wingers in check. Please try to make statements that are factually correct in the future.
 

Red Dawn

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Muslims feel their constitutional rights have been violated with regard to this mosque issue.
Well if they feel that way they are wrong, all though there are those who would like to violate their rights but most of those aren't being public about it.
 

PokerGuy

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What they do on private property, what rules they impose on the cult etc, is completely up to them, I don't know of any constitutional rights that would be affected.
 

vulcanman

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First off ... I am an atheist male. I have a very difficult time shoving hypocrisy under the carpet of belief ... so I chickened out and became an atheist.

I don't believe a place of worship should get tax benefits ... if they do not respect constitutional rights.

> What they do on private property, what rules they impose on the cult etc, is completely up to them, I don't know of any constitutional rights that would be affected.

I am no lawyer ... but ... in 1994, Denny's [a private property] settled a class action lawsuit filed by thousands of African-American customers who had been refused service, forced to wait longer, or pay more than white customers.
 

kage69

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The left stopped caring about women's rights a long time ago.


Your delusions over "the left" are nothing short of amazing, that's probably one of the more profound detachments from reality you've posted in awhile. The right has it's area of emphasis on the political landscape, and women's rights just ain't in it. The Dems on the other hand, have gone to bat for the fairer sex quite often. Deal with it, and quit making conservatives look like idiots - guilt by association goes too far I'm afraid.

As for the OP, I expect the gender division at prayer would remain intact. Not a big deal at all since attending services is voluntary, and would be occurring on private property.
 

jpeyton

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This thread is full of win.
 

vulcanman

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From the AP ...

Tawfik Hamid, an Egyptian scholar and reformer who said he was once a member of a terrorist group, said he had a "conditional objection" to the proposed Islamic center.


He said it was not enough for Park51 leaders to call themselves moderate. Instead, they should "clearly and unambiguously" reject radicalization by opposing specific extremist practices, such as killing apostates, stoning women for adultery, calling Jews "pigs and monkeys" and "declaring war" on non-Muslims who refuse to convert.


"This, in my view, will be perceived by radicals in Islam as a defeat for their ideology," said Hamid, senior fellow at the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies. "They think in a very primitive way. If they see a mosque near ground zero, this would certainly be perceived as a sign of victory for al-Qaeda. In the end, they will think, `They are bowing to us.'"