Writers' Strike OVER!!!

[dud]

This sucks. The writers strike provided idiots, I mean people an opportunity to get away from their TV sets and to LIVE.

This is badddd news.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Maybe they can finally put some good writers to work on that Terminator series?

Don't think there's much that can save that series since they started with the premise to disregard whatever they wanted to from the movies.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

As a result of studio cutbacks, however, many of the writers who went on strike are unlikely to return to the same big-money contracts they'd had as individuals with the studios, Eisner said.

Wait...so does that mean they went on strike because they felt they were underpaid, yet in the end they're coming back to lower paying jobs due to all the lost revenue and the resulting cuttbacks?

Irony much?

not really. imagine if your future work was going to transition to a new form, and this new form paid you squat. taking a hit today for a fairer deal tomorrow is what they were forced into. no one wants to strike. the studios with their greed forced the situation.

anyways, if you think they are overpaid...
http://www.theblankpage.us/arc...the_economics_o_1.html
"First, when they say "the average writer", they are actually referring to the average employed writer. However, in 2003, the WGA had roughly 7500 members, of whom 4,298 had some were employed at some point in the year. That means that only about 57% of WGA members had any income from film, TV, or other WGA-covered sources during the year.

So, if you have a 57% chance of being employed in a given year... and you can expect to earn $93,482 if employed... you have an expected income for that year of $53,284.74. Your agent gets 10% of that, and your lawyer gets 5%, so that's $45,292.03 left over for you. At least, until you have to pay taxes..."

I never thought the writers were overpaid. I was just surprised, and thought it was ironic, that the studios claim to have suffered enough from the strike that it would detrimentally affect (for the near future) the new salaries/contracts despite any negotiated percentage increases.

just a pound of flesh to pretend everyone has a bit of win to make the deal.
meh.
i want 4400 back.
bastards!

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

As a result of studio cutbacks, however, many of the writers who went on strike are unlikely to return to the same big-money contracts they'd had as individuals with the studios, Eisner said.

Wait...so does that mean they went on strike because they felt they were underpaid, yet in the end they're coming back to lower paying jobs due to all the lost revenue and the resulting cuttbacks?

Irony much?

not really. imagine if your future work was going to transition to a new form, and this new form paid you squat. taking a hit today for a fairer deal tomorrow is what they were forced into. no one wants to strike. the studios with their greed forced the situation.

anyways, if you think they are overpaid...
http://www.theblankpage.us/arc...the_economics_o_1.html
"First, when they say "the average writer", they are actually referring to the average employed writer. However, in 2003, the WGA had roughly 7500 members, of whom 4,298 had some were employed at some point in the year. That means that only about 57% of WGA members had any income from film, TV, or other WGA-covered sources during the year.

So, if you have a 57% chance of being employed in a given year... and you can expect to earn $93,482 if employed... you have an expected income for that year of $53,284.74. Your agent gets 10% of that, and your lawyer gets 5%, so that's $45,292.03 left over for you. At least, until you have to pay taxes..."

I never thought the writers were overpaid. I was just surprised, and thought it was ironic, that the studios claim to have suffered enough from the strike that it would detrimentally affect (for the near future) the new salaries/contracts despite any negotiated percentage increases.

just a pound of flesh to pretend everyone has a bit of win to make the deal.
meh.
i want 4400 back.
bastards!

The 4400 should come back.

 

[GRIFFIN1]

They should outsource all the writing to India.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: Colt45
don't care = 100%

Then dont comment

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: GRIFFIN1
They should outsource all the writing to India.

Then we'd get a bunch of dancing musicals?

 

[dud]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: Colt45
don't care = 100%

Then dont comment

It's his right to express his opinion.

modern (non-cable) TV is a wasteland, a steaming pile of (fill in the blank). The writer's strike was a blessing in disguise ... and now it is over.

The strike is dead ... long live the strike!

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: EarthwormJim

Originally posted by: Colt45
don't care = 100%

Ok, then why did you post here?

I can't wait for the new Heroes myself.

Couldn't they just have rounded up a group of 12 year olds that read xmen to write that show when the strike was going on?

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: dud

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: Colt45
don't care = 100%

Then dont comment

It's his right to express his opinion.

modern (non-cable) TV is a wasteland, a steaming pile of (fill in the blank). The writer's strike was a blessing in disguise ... and now it is over.

The strike is dead ... long live the strike!

Really? Its crappy? Hmmm I and a couple millions viewers per show must be wrong. Or is this where you insert the line that "Americans are stupid... and so goes their tastes?"

I understand its his right. I never said it wasn't did I? If I dont care on a topic I certainly dont A) click the topic. B) comment on the topic saying "I Dont care". I could go into 99% of the threads on this forum and do it... ITS MY RIGHT!!! Doesn't make it a smart nor non-trolling thing to do.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: dud
This sucks. The writers strike provided idiots, I mean people an opportunity to get away from their TV sets and to LIVE.

This is badddd news.

ah yes!! the "idiot box" comment. Because TV, movies and radio provide NO source of entertainment at all. I mean those Romans were idiots to go to a play or those in people were fools to go see Mozart play! Theater, TV, music whatever are just things STUPID people do!!!!

 

[dud]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: dud

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: Colt45
don't care = 100%

Then dont comment

It's his right to express his opinion.

modern (non-cable) TV is a wasteland, a steaming pile of (fill in the blank). The writer's strike was a blessing in disguise ... and now it is over.

The strike is dead ... long live the strike!

Really? Its crappy? Hmmm I and a couple millions viewers per show must be wrong. Or is this where you insert the line that "Americans are stupid... and so goes their tastes?"

I understand its his right. I never said it wasn't did I? If I dont care on a topic I certainly dont A) click the topic. B) comment on the topic saying "I Dont care". I could go into 99% of the threads on this forum and do it... ITS MY RIGHT!!! Doesn't make it a smart nor non-trolling thing to do.

Quoting you:

"Really? Its crappy? Hmmm I and a couple millions viewers per show must be wrong." I guess if you use this logic then all the people smoking cigs makes that good too. I've never been one to follow the group ... but if that's the way you are, so be it.

"Or is this where you insert the line that "Americans are stupid... and so goes their tastes?"" - you said that, not me. I believe that MANY Americans are stupid. We each have 168 hours in the week TO LIVE, no matter how rich or poor, 168 is all we get. Spending all those hours in front of a TV watching the crap on TV is such a waste, but if we use the logic you noted above ... it must be a good thing to do.

 

[MaxDepth]

Yet another of the uninformed people...

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy

As a result of studio cutbacks, however, many of the writers who went on strike are unlikely to return to the same big-money contracts they'd had as individuals with the studios, Eisner said.

Serves em right the stupid fucks ... thats what happens when you get greedy.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: dud

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: dud

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: Colt45
don't care = 100%

Then dont comment

It's his right to express his opinion.

modern (non-cable) TV is a wasteland, a steaming pile of (fill in the blank). The writer's strike was a blessing in disguise ... and now it is over.

The strike is dead ... long live the strike!

Really? Its crappy? Hmmm I and a couple millions viewers per show must be wrong. Or is this where you insert the line that "Americans are stupid... and so goes their tastes?"

I understand its his right. I never said it wasn't did I? If I dont care on a topic I certainly dont A) click the topic. B) comment on the topic saying "I Dont care". I could go into 99% of the threads on this forum and do it... ITS MY RIGHT!!! Doesn't make it a smart nor non-trolling thing to do.

Quoting you:

"Really? Its crappy? Hmmm I and a couple millions viewers per show must be wrong." I guess if you use this logic then all the people smoking cigs makes that good too. I've never been one to follow the group ... but if that's the way you are, so be it.

"Or is this where you insert the line that "Americans are stupid... and so goes their tastes?"" - you said that, not me. I believe that MANY Americans are stupid. We each have 168 hours in the week TO LIVE, no matter how rich or poor, 168 is all we get. Spending all those hours in front of a TV watching the crap on TV is such a waste, but if we use the logic you noted above ... it must be a good thing to do.

Please define "LIVING" to me then.... apparently...*GASP* people have different forms of "LIVING". I for one like to laugh and cry and be amused from time to time. Very often TV, Movies etc can deliver this to me. So how is that NOT living? Or is it just because it doesn't fit into YOUR personal definition?

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy

As a result of studio cutbacks, however, many of the writers who went on strike are unlikely to return to the same big-money contracts they'd had as individuals with the studios, Eisner said.

Serves em right the stupid fucks ... thats what happens when you get greedy.

You're the stupid fuck. What's the percentage of the major media company's revenue they were asking for again? (I'll give you a hint - less than 1.) How many cents is 8 divided 4-8 ways? (Hint - no more than 2) What's the cost of running episodes online? (Hint - Not enough that the companies aren't still taking home half a billion after all is said and done.) What percentage of total revenue does the media make up in the parent corporations, movies and TV combined? (Hint - No more than 8.)

The main reason I'm glad it's over is because I'm tired of jackasses like you making asinine and baseless comments like the one above. The fact that you called the writers greedy is absolutely ridiculous and ironic when you consider the true statistics. Learn your information.

Wow ... hit a nerve there huh ? :lips:


Considering it seems many of said writers will be making less money under the new deal then they were before walking out its hard to see how the decision to strike could be considered a smart one ... I thought the whole point of a strike was to make more money.

I will however concede one point ... you are correct in that the studios are the more greedy but somhow I can't work up a whole lot of sympathy for either side in this situation & I think both ultimately screwed themselves.

Of course you hit a nerve. You made an loaded comment about something you obviously don't understand.

The main problem with that quote from the article is that it's coming from CNBC. It's a general news company that's covering it. Throughout the entire strike these same companies constantly kept saying that the strike was almost over from week 3 through now, and that was seemingly their only extent of knowledge. Furthermore, NBC is probably going to want to put a negative spin on it since the strike affected them deeply* so of course they're going to make a comment like that. Show me numbers to prove this is true before making that kind of statement.

If you fail to see the writer's side of things then you probably haven't paid attention at all other than what non-industry news sources have said, which have been relatively misinforming. Writers are mostly middle-class at best, with a few feature as well as tv writers that might have big contracts. I'm assuming it's referring to them, but at the same time it doesn't make sense if the writers got all of the stipulations out of the new contract that they wanted. There's no way they should lose money out of this deal.

* - Just in case you're even more dense than I thought and don't realize how it all works, the reason it hit NBC hard is because they're an actual broadcast company and a subsidiary of the major company General Electric, which is who I was very liberally saying has about 8% of their budget tied into all media. It's closer to 6%.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: dud
"Or is this where you insert the line that "Americans are stupid... and so goes their tastes?"" - you said that, not me. I believe that MANY Americans are stupid. We each have 168 hours in the week TO LIVE, no matter how rich or poor, 168 is all we get. Spending all those hours in front of a TV watching the crap on TV is such a waste, but if we use the logic you noted above ... it must be a good thing to do.

So now you've expanded your complaint from non-cable TV to all TV? I guess you must have just realized that even the shows you like are whittling away your precious 168 hours per week.

 

[Homerboy]

Quote from my buddy:

"thank goodness, now the oscars can go on and tell me what movies i like."

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: dud

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: dud

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: Colt45
don't care = 100%

Then dont comment

It's his right to express his opinion.

modern (non-cable) TV is a wasteland, a steaming pile of (fill in the blank). The writer's strike was a blessing in disguise ... and now it is over.

The strike is dead ... long live the strike!

Really? Its crappy? Hmmm I and a couple millions viewers per show must be wrong. Or is this where you insert the line that "Americans are stupid... and so goes their tastes?"

I understand its his right. I never said it wasn't did I? If I dont care on a topic I certainly dont A) click the topic. B) comment on the topic saying "I Dont care". I could go into 99% of the threads on this forum and do it... ITS MY RIGHT!!! Doesn't make it a smart nor non-trolling thing to do.

Quoting you:

"Really? Its crappy? Hmmm I and a couple millions viewers per show must be wrong." I guess if you use this logic then all the people smoking cigs makes that good too. I've never been one to follow the group ... but if that's the way you are, so be it.

"Or is this where you insert the line that "Americans are stupid... and so goes their tastes?"" - you said that, not me. I believe that MANY Americans are stupid. We each have 168 hours in the week TO LIVE, no matter how rich or poor, 168 is all we get. Spending all those hours in front of a TV watching the crap on TV is such a waste, but if we use the logic you noted above ... it must be a good thing to do.

Great example on the smoking cigs thing. Especially when you look at the statistics and see how each decade has seen a decrease of how many cigarettes are purchased. And that last bit where you personally attack him? Superb. That just strengthens your point.

As for your second statement, that's just plain stupid. Everyone has some kind of entertainment they partake of that could probably be a more productive spending of time. I hardly doubt all you do is work then go home and work some more. If it helps some people forget about the stress of the real world then who are you to attack them? I guarantee you do something that some of us find "stupid" as well.

 

[Old Hippie]

*cue the ATOT steel mill population coming in to chop my head off*

"Chop"? That's the Amalgamated Meat Cutters. Steelworkers use oxy/aceteline torches to slowly remove body pieces by burning!

 

[Homerboy]

Great example on the smoking cigs thing. Especially when you look at the statistics and see how each decade has seen a decrease of how many cigarettes are purchased. And that last bit where you personally attack him? Superb. That just strengthens your point.

As for your second statement, that's just plain stupid. Everyone has some kind of entertainment they partake of that could probably be a more productive spending of time. I hardly doubt all you do is work then go home and work some more. If it helps some people forget about the stress of the real world then who are you to attack them? I guarantee you do something that some of us find "stupid" as well.

Well lets just wait and see how he defines "LIVING". Maybe he knows something that we don't? Maybe being entertained and amused on countless levels is the wrong thing to do with my life.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

As a result of studio cutbacks, however, many of the writers who went on strike are unlikely to return to the same big-money contracts they'd had as individuals with the studios, Eisner said.

Wait...so does that mean they went on strike because they felt they were underpaid, yet in the end they're coming back to lower paying jobs due to all the lost revenue and the resulting cuttbacks?

Irony much?

not really. imagine if your future work was going to transition to a new form, and this new form paid you squat. taking a hit today for a fairer deal tomorrow is what they were forced into. no one wants to strike. the studios with their greed forced the situation.

anyways, if you think they are overpaid...
http://www.theblankpage.us/arc...the_economics_o_1.html
"First, when they say "the average writer", they are actually referring to the average employed writer. However, in 2003, the WGA had roughly 7500 members, of whom 4,298 had some were employed at some point in the year. That means that only about 57% of WGA members had any income from film, TV, or other WGA-covered sources during the year.

So, if you have a 57% chance of being employed in a given year... and you can expect to earn $93,482 if employed... you have an expected income for that year of $53,284.74. Your agent gets 10% of that, and your lawyer gets 5%, so that's $45,292.03 left over for you. At least, until you have to pay taxes..."

I never thought the writers were overpaid. I was just surprised, and thought it was ironic, that the studios claim to have suffered enough from the strike that it would detrimentally affect (for the near future) the new salaries/contracts despite any negotiated percentage increases.

:laugh:

They all have their mommy and daddy companies to take care of them, so while there is some truth to this it's also misleading. They may have been hit "hard" by the strike but they only provide 6-8% of the total revenue for their parent media companies, so obviously being hit hard is relative.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
Well lets just wait and see how he defines "LIVING". Maybe he knows something that we don't? Maybe being entertained and amused on countless levels is the wrong thing to do with my life.

Obviously he travels to foreign countries in the evenings when he gets home from work. I know I do.

 

[KK]

Damn, I was hoping this strike would last for years.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy

As a result of studio cutbacks, however, many of the writers who went on strike are unlikely to return to the same big-money contracts they'd had as individuals with the studios, Eisner said.

Serves em right the stupid fucks ... thats what happens when you get greedy.

It other words, unions blow.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: EarthwormJim

Originally posted by: Colt45
don't care = 100%

Ok, then why did you post here?

I can't wait for the new Heroes myself.

Why? IMHO the writer's strike KILLED the heroes story. What's going to happen now that they've bypassed 14 episodes?