WP7 potentially the fastest/smoothest OS?

[MrX8503]

What about Route66? Or Garmin, or Co-pilot, or google maps, or bing maps, or .... I could go on but you get the message.

You cant really comment on the functionality of WinMo as you obviously haven't spent any time researching it.

Google Maps? Bing Maps?....errr I thought you wanted real sat navigation.

I can't comment on WinMo because I didn't use TomTom? lol, I didn't know GPS functionality was the shining beacon of mobile OS success.

WinMo is dead dude, move on.

 

[WelshBloke]

Google Maps? Bing Maps?....errr I thought you wanted real sat navigation.

I can't comment on WinMo because I didn't use TomTom? lol, I didn't know GPS functionality was the shining beacon of mobile OS success.

WinMo is dead dude, move on.

Well you said that you didnt know WinMo had any navigation, those are still two examples. All the other examples I gave are stand alone apps, I can list a few more if you'd like as well.

I just thought it was customary to know something about a subject before criticising it.

GPS is a pretty important part of smartphones, thats why all modern smartphones come with GPS radios.

What would you say was "the shining beacon of mobile OS success" then?

Oh, and WinMo isnt dead. WindowsPhone Classic appears to just be a re-branded WinMo 6.5.x

 

[Deeko]

Easy on the handing out the Troll label like candy on halloween.

I owned a WinMo device for two years but I didn't know it had TomTom. How much did it cost and how would one get it?

EDIT:

Nevermind, I found it here.

http://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/products/mobile-navigation/

Its quite expensive. My main issue with WinMo is that I've had it for two years, yet I didn't know about it. Obviously an appstore was sorely needed.

Yea, Windows Mobile has tons of apps written over the last decade, but there was no central repository - and even after they created one for 6.5, very few of those apps got added. So you kinda have to find them.

As far as GPS goes, Windows Mobile really did have a lot of top-notch navigation apps. The free ones like Google Maps and Bing Maps are good, but the premium ones really are better. Better enough to be worth the money? Meh, up to the individual, I suppose.

 

[MrX8503]

Well you said that you didnt know WinMo had any navigation, those are still two examples. All the other examples I gave are stand alone apps, I can list a few more if you'd like as well.

I just thought it was customary to know something about a subject before criticising it.

GPS is a pretty important part of smartphones, thats why all modern smartphones come with GPS radios.

What would you say was "the shining beacon of mobile OS success" then?

Oh, and WinMo isnt dead. WindowsPhone Classic appears to just be a re-branded WinMo 6.5.x

When I said "Navigation" I meant real navigation, not Bing/Google Maps. I was aware of WinMo having that, just not TomTom.

GPS is important in a smartphone, not Satellite turn by turn navigation.

The Shining beacon of mobile OS is the OS itself. Fast, easy to use, intuitive, along with just as capable appstore.

WindowsPhone Classic is gonna be at the back of the line when it comes to support. WP7 is Microsoft's new child.

Yea, Windows Mobile has tons of apps written over the last decade, but there was no central repository - and even after they created one for 6.5, very few of those apps got added. So you kinda have to find them.

I think that is what drove me to not search or bother with WinMo apps. I would try to find apps, but they were either too expensive, hard to find, or not very good. A central place for apps is key.

 

[WelshBloke]

When I said "Navigation" I meant real navigation, not Bing/Google Maps. I was aware of WinMo having that, just not TomTom.

You didnt look very hard

GPS is important in a smartphone, not Satellite turn by turn navigation.

*shrug* Its more important to me than vanilla satnav.

The Shining beacon of mobile OS is the OS itself. Fast, easy to use, intuitive, along with just as capable appstore.

OS's exist to run programs/apps. The 'fast,easy to use, intuitive and appstore' bits arnt intrinsically part of the OS.

WindowsPhone Classic is gonna be at the back of the line when it comes to support. WP7 is Microsoft's new child.

As long as they dont arse around with it too much its not going to need a lot of support, it has apps that do about everything already and its very stable.

I think that is what drove me to not search or bother with WinMo apps. I would try to find apps, but they were either too expensive, hard to find, or not very good. A central place for apps is key.

There are lots of free programs for WinMo that do most things, yes TomTom is expensive but its expensive on all platforms and its very good.

As for hard to find, if a Google search is too hard for you to work maybe you shouldnt have a smartphone.

 

[MrX8503]

Dude, now you're just trolling. Lets stick with WP7, but I'll answer your concerns.

You didnt look very hard

Unnecessary jabbing. Read my previous post.

*shrug* Its more important to me than vanilla satnav.

You != Millions of other people

OS's exist to run programs/apps. The 'fast,easy to use, intuitive and appstore' bits arnt intrinsically part of the OS.

BS Mumbo Jumbo. You're just dodging my point in that the OS is center stage, not SAT NAV.

As long as they dont arse around with it too much its not going to need a lot of support, it has apps that do about everything already and its very stable.

I don't care if the software was made by God himself, software needs support.

There are lots of free programs for WinMo that do most things, yes TomTom is expensive but its expensive on all platforms and its very good.

As for hard to find, if a Google search is too hard for you to work maybe you shouldnt have a smartphone.

Obviously scattered apps worked out well for WinMo...oh wait....

 

[WelshBloke]

BS Mumbo Jumbo. You're just dodging my point in that the OS is center stage, not SAT NAV.

I think you're confusing the OS with the UI as someone else mentioned earlier in the thread.

As far as comparing WinPhone7 and WinMo6.5.x OS's which one can multitask, which one has copy/paste, which one has a choice of UI?

I'll ignore your other points in that post as, well, you didn't make any really.

 

[coolVariable]

Dude, now you're just trolling.

Hahahahaha. ROTFLOL. Hahahahahaha. Can't stop from laughing.
You are saying this? Hahahahahaha. LOL. That's so funny! Really!
YOU are accusing Welchbloke of trolling? Hahahahahaha.

You obviously didn't look into what WinMo was capable of then. (or you're trolling).

Thank you for the support. He and zerofool were trolling me for the previous couple pages of this thread. I have moved on but it is nice to see someone else that apparently has some sense and has actually used WinMo, instead of blindly trashing it.

You cant really comment on the functionality of WinMo as you obviously haven't spent any time researching it.

Told him that too. I would ignore him. He's just baiting you, since he obviously has no clue at all about mobile OSs. Wouldn't be surprised if he uses a dumb flip-phone. Maybe a RAZR?

OS's exist to run programs/apps. The 'fast,easy to use, intuitive and appstore' bits arnt intrinsically part of the OS.

As long as they dont arse around with it too much its not going to need a lot of support, it has apps that do about everything already and its very stable.

There are lots of free programs for WinMo that do most things, yes TomTom is expensive but its expensive on all platforms and its very good.

As for hard to find, if a Google search is too hard for you to work maybe you shouldnt have a smartphone.

Couldn't agree with you more on the above points.
The basic quality of WinMo as an OS bodes well for WP7, especially if MS can fix the one area that WinMo was lacking: the GUI.
One must also not forget that WinMo ran on really "old" hardware compared to the mini-computers in today's smartphones. The phones simply couldn't handle a snazzy GUI so nobody put any thought into it until Apple came around.

There are only 2 things that I am concerned about for WP7:
1. Lacking copy & paste ... in 2010 that is just ridiculous. They only need to copy the functionality from Apple.
2. Lacking multitasking ... I can understand why this might seem desirable and very few people actually multitask but it should at least allow multitasking for a few programs, even if it is a limited number - eg only multitasking for 2-3 apps at the same time.

 

[MrX8503]

I think you're confusing the OS with the UI as someone else mentioned earlier in the thread.

More BS Mumbo Jumbo. I said the OS and its usability is the shining beacon of Mobile OS success, not SAT NAV, yet you further derail the point. Nice try.

As far as comparing WinPhone7 and WinMo6.5.x OS's which one can multitask, which one has copy/paste, which one has a choice of UI?

Never said that WP7 can multi/copy/paste, you're bringing up another unnecessary argument. All I said is that WinMo 6.x is dead and that WP7 is Microsoft's main focus. As a user feel free to continue your use of WinMo 6.

I'll ignore your other points in that post as, well, you didn't make any really.

I'll take that as you being wrong and that you don't have a point.

We get that you sleep with WinMo 6 every night, but you refuse to acknowledge emerging/currently successful mobile OSs. I also get that Sat Nav is important to you, but I get the feeling with that all powerful one feature, you're willing to argue WinMo is the best damn OS ever created. In that case, well...then there's no point in arguing with you.

 

[WelshBloke]

More BS Mumbo Jumbo. I said the OS and its usability is the shining beacon of Mobile OS success, not SAT NAV, yet you further derail the point. Nice try.

*Sigh* So what part of the OS (not the UI) adds to its usability?

Never said that WP7 can multi/copy/paste, you're bringing up another unnecessary argument. All I said is that WinMo 6.x is dead and that WP7 is Microsoft's main focus. As a user feel free to continue your use of WinMo 6.

Well multitasking is a function of the OS as opposed to all the things that you think are part of it (UI, app launchers, app stores) so I'm not seeing how my side of things is an unnecessary argument, your points however, I cant vouch for.

I'll take that as you being wrong and that you don't have a point.

You can take it as that if you like, or you could make some points there. Its your choice.

We get that you sleep with WinMo 6 every night, but you refuse to acknowledge emerging/currently successful mobile OSs. I also get that Sat Nav is important to you, but I get the feeling with that all powerful one feature, you're willing to argue WinMo is the best damn OS ever created. In that case, well...then there's no point in arguing with you.

Firstly there's no need to make yourself look silly with the insults, your managing quite fine with your lack of points.

I've nothing against WinPho7/Android/iOS indeed I'll probably switch to one soon, that doesnt mean I'll make up some bullshit about the ones I didn't choose being crap.

You really think that all WinMo can do well is satnav? Remember, you didn't even know it did that at the start of this conversation. How much other stuff do you think you don't know about it?

 

[MrX8503]

Anyways, I think WP7 is shaping up to be compelling OS, especially after the initial reviews from Anand and Engadget. From what I've read and can tell from the videos, its quite the departure from their last WinMo OS. WP7 is quite speedy and has a lot of finesse.

 

[zerocool84]

Anyways, I think WP7 is shaping up to be compelling OS, especially after the initial reviews from Anand and Engadget. From what I've read and can tell from the videos, its quite the departure from their last WinMo OS. WP7 is quite speedy and has a lot of finesse.

It looks very slick. There's a reason why they moved on from WM.

 

[WelshBloke]

It looks very slick. There's a reason why they moved on from WM.

I like the fixed hardware and the fact you can strip out all the extra crap that the carriers add.
The home screen looks good as well.
The UI looks very smooth, but honestly, if I'm actually using my phone most of the time I'm in an app not just dicking around in the UI (mind you depending on the widget support this may be important)
Edit: Wireless sync looks pretty awesome too.

I dont like the way your app launcher is just an alphabetical list of everything installed on your phone, that sounds like a nightmare if youve got a lot on it.
I also don't like the obvious, the lack of copy/paste and multitasking. Although I'm guessing that both of these will be added later.
Lack of flash or silverlight is a bit disappointing but not a game breaker on a small device.


Is the only way to install apps through the marketplace? If so this is a big failure for me.

Edit:

If you’re looking for a feature replacement to an Android phone or Windows Mobile device, WP7 will disappoint. Windows Phone is more like the iPhone than it is anything else. If you don’t like the iPhone (for reasons other than an inherent dislike for Apple), you probably won’t like Windows Phone. If your sole reason is disdain for Apple, then pick up a Windows Phone.

Thats a bit worrying though.

 

[zerocool84]

Is the only way to install apps through the marketplace? If so this is a big failure for me.

It seems like they're going the Apple way with a lot of things so maybe but no one has said anything about that but it looks like they might.