WP7 potentially the fastest/smoothest OS?

[dguy6789]

There are a bunch of successes lately. Office 2010, visual studio 2010, server 2008, and r2. Of course windows 7 has still yet to be fully adopted by business, so the minor success it has had so far will be overshadowed when it does.

Windows 7 is the fastest selling operating system of all time. You call that a minor success?

 

[swerus]

Compared to what it will be when corporate uptake is in full swing yes.

 

[akugami]

Ugh? You mean Windows Mobile the "goose that laid the golden eggs"? The only smartphone operating system for 3? 4? years? The smartphones OS bringing in hundreds of millions in licensing while MS spent next to nothing developing it?

How is it doing in the market now? And Windows Mobile if I recall correctly was built off Windows CE. MS spent a ton of money developing that. They probably made a handy profit off of it but Windows Mobile has become irrelevant in today's market and has been for at least the last two years.

My whole thing was that I was responding to someone who automatically inked in MS as being successful due to their vast resources. While one can't count MS out because of their vast resources we also can't say that MS is going to be successful with WP7. The last 5 years have been littered with MS being at best mediocre in new and emerging markets. You can disagree with that assessment but I think my argument is sound.

In other words, you don't want to talk about it because you know you're wrong. Microsoft is doing well in xBox. Yes, the "xBox project" as a whole has lost money, but the xBox 360 - their current product - is still very healthy & strong and is currently profiting. Its absolutely foolish for you to call it mediocore or a failure at this point, when its making a good product right now and shows no sign of slowing.

I did talk about it. I explained why I discounted it. All you're doing is discounting my explanations out of hand. You didn't even bother to address or counter my explanations. It's a "No you're wrong because I said so" argument on your part. There is uncertainty in the market and the Xbox 360 shows a more than decent chance of merely breaking even at best. That's at best. That's not the sign of a successful product when you tell your owners/shareholders that we'll spend billions of dollars and hope to break even after 5-7 years before we go onto the next iteration of said product that has no guarantee of turning a profit. If you think that's success then your definition of success and mine are different.

xbox is doing well. You have entirely ignored my examples of Windows Azure. I'd bet the "Windows Mobile" as a whole has made a profit for Microsoft, even if the pre-7 version is dead/dying, so by your ever-changing definition of what you're arguing here, isn't it a success? A product that made money over the long course of its lifespan, which has been replaced by a new product in the same space that has, so far, been getting a lot of very positive press. Seriously, if you want to mindlessly MS bash, at least be consistent, and at least have a point.

And you have completely ignored anything I've written since my first post. You completely ignored the validations for my point, which I've repeated over and over and over. At this point I think you're ignoring the points I bring up because you just want to be argumentative.

Please bring me examples of new markets that MS has opened up where they've been very successful and profitable. The best case is the Xbox and even then I've explained how that, so far, has been a money losing project. If you can't, then you need to stop saying I'm wrong.

I am not mindlessly bashing MS. You're the one who brought the M$ into the equation. That is you projecting feelings onto me. I'm an objective person. I have spent at least $1000 in the last 5 years on MS products. The fact remains that MS has been mediocre in new and emerging markets outside of the Windows and Office products. I've pointed out the more prominent products that MS has attempted and failed at. Your arguments are Windows 7 and Office which only build upon a market MS is already dominant in and Xbox, which I've shown to at best be a break-even prospect in this generation but is still going to be down billions after 10 years. If you really believe the Xbox is a success story then I've got a bridge in the Mojave dessert I want to sell you.

In other words, you want to completely discount two fantastic products that are smash successes in the market, simply because they are successors in a line of other good products that suceeded in the market. That's just sad.

Yeah. That's just said. You keep ignoring my arguments by using arguments that don't hold water.

*yawn* I'm not going to argue semantics with a troll. If you can't see why WM 6.5 was not forward looking, whereas WM7 is, you are just lying to us.

I'm sorry. I thought you were the one bringing up semantics first by questioning my definition of "forward looking." Not only are you using semantic trolling, now you're also being hypocritical.

SNIP

More mindless ranting. You have done zero, absolutely zero, to refute my points. I'm just some who person dared to insult the Gods known as Microsoft so they must be struck down. Nevermind that I have spent a lot of my hard earned money on MS products. If I dare say something negative about MS then I must be a M$ basher.

 

[coolVariable]

Uhm, my dumb phone from the 90's did texting, Snake and contacts...that was about it. My Android phone does stuff even a desktop PC from the 90's had trouble doing.

I'll agree that visually, some parts of Android are inconsistent and unpolished, but I've never had any problems with "broken" features, crashes, bugs or other problems. Maybe it's all the hacked ROMs people use, or the "task killers" that force the OS to restart processes all the time, sucking the battery dry and slowing everything down... If you just use it like the manufacturer intended, it works fine.

Not saying you shouldn't tweak and customize your phone, but just as when you overclock and tweak your PC, you need to be aware of the risks and potential problems.

Stock 2.2 on Nexus One ... android is a joke! This "OS" has more bugs than WinME was even rumored to have.
(A quick search in this section of the forum will show you threads where those bugs were discussed ad nauseam)

And, just as an example, my dumbphone did voice dialing: android is supposed to have voice dialing only ... darn, damn beta product, ... it doesn't work for a large percentage of people!!!

 

[OBLAMA2009]

Compared to what it will be when corporate uptake is in full swing yes.

seriously i dont think very many companies have adopted win 7 yet. so either its going to be skipped or theres going to be huge demand at some point. with win 8 coming out soon im guessing its going to be skipped.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

Stock 2.2 on Nexus One ... android is a joke! This "OS" has more bugs than WinME was even rumored to have.
(A quick search in this section of the forum will show you threads where those bugs were discussed ad nauseam)

And, just as an example, my dumbphone did voice dialing: android is supposed to have voice dialing only ... darn, damn beta product, ... it doesn't work for a large percentage of people!!!

this is precisely why wp7 has a good chance of success. people want android functionality without all the bugs and rough edges and msft can deliver that

 

[zoiks]

Stock 2.2 on Nexus One ... android is a joke! This "OS" has more bugs than WinME was even rumored to have.
(A quick search in this section of the forum will show you threads where those bugs were discussed ad nauseam)

And, just as an example, my dumbphone did voice dialing: android is supposed to have voice dialing only ... darn, damn beta product, ... it doesn't work for a large percentage of people!!!

WTF are you talking about? What voice dialing are you talking about? How about voice searches on your phone? Voice to text conversion for sms? How about google nav that's not available anywhere else but on android?
2.2 stock was pretty damn awesome. I didn't see any bugs. There was stuff that was not supported like FM radio etc but that didn't stop the OS from working any better.

 

[ViviTheMage]

I dunno, the UI is just disgusting. The UI is very important for me. Perhaps the WP7 will grow on me. I should be getting one in about a month to month and a half, so I'm excited to try it out. But overall, I'm not expecting it to replace Android for me.

In terms of scrolling speed/smoothness. I agree its important, but at the same time, a solid Android phone doesn't show any noticeable lag. WP7 or Iphone may be 'faster' technically, but its kind of like having an FPS that is faster than the eye can see. Sure, its a higher FPS but it doesn't make a functional difference.

I've played with the major Droid phones, and they lag/glitchy when scrolling/zooming compared to an iphone.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

this article summarizes why wp7 will beat android:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/12/windows-phone/

 

[coolVariable]

WTF are you talking about? What voice dialing are you talking about? How about voice searches on your phone? Voice to text conversion for sms? How about google nav that's not available anywhere else but on android?
2.2 stock was pretty damn awesome. I didn't see any bugs. There was stuff that was not supported like FM radio etc but that didn't stop the OS from working any better.

WTF are you talking about? Voice dialing has me saying "call NAMEXYZ mobile" and the phone dials NAMEXYZ's mobile number, instead of f*&king android doing an internet search in the browser for "call NAMEXYZ mobile"! You got that part right: "WTF?"

Add to that the thousands of other bugs in stock 2.2/2.2.1 and you have what equates to version 0.1 of a proper mobile OS!

 

[Blueychan]

Unlike most posters in this thread, I really like the Window Phone 7 UI.

First, I like the integration of everything I need on the main screen, it looks efficient.

Second, it is different from all the smartphones' UI on currently on the market, which is refreshing. The Android UI looks exactly like the iphone UI(especially on the Galaxy S Phones), which I got bored of 2 years ago.

Third, it looks fast and smooth...which is really important. This is the one thing that I love about the iPhone, butter smooth!

 

[MrX8503]

I dunno, the UI is just disgusting. The UI is very important for me. Perhaps the WP7 will grow on me. I should be getting one in about a month to month and a half, so I'm excited to try it out. But overall, I'm not expecting it to replace Android for me.

In terms of scrolling speed/smoothness. I agree its important, but at the same time, a solid Android phone doesn't show any noticeable lag. WP7 or Iphone may be 'faster' technically, but its kind of like having an FPS that is faster than the eye can see. Sure, its a higher FPS but it doesn't make a functional difference.

I've used the best of them, the DroidX, and there is noticeable lag.

A lot of people tend to get fast and smooth mixed up. The terms are not interchangeable and doesn't mean the same thing. For the most part Android is fast, but its not smooth. So far from what I've seen, WP7 is capable of both, the video in my OP is an example of this.

I wanted to point this out in WP7 because there hasn't been an OS that has been able to match iOS in this regard, not BB OS6, not Symbian, not even Android 2.2.

 

[zerocool84]

Android is about as open as the clenched fist I want to punch its programmers
Android is a typical Google beta product ... even 2 years later it still can't do simple things that my dumbphone from the 90's had no problem doing.
Add to that the general bugginess.
What good are 1000+ features if only 5% of them actually work?
It's a classical "less is more" situation - half the features but actually make them work for everyone ...

So does that mean that iOS is beta as was WebOS? Everyone has things that they can't do that a dumbphone from the 90's did. You seriously are ridiculous.

 

[coolVariable]

So does that mean that iOS is beta as was WebOS? Everyone has things that they can't do that a dumbphone from the 90's did. You seriously are ridiculous.

Mmmh.
Did you even try reading the thread?
Used any recent phones?
Maybe try that before posting such a ridiculously stupid BS?

 

[zerocool84]

Mmmh.
Did you even try reading the thread?
Used any recent phones?
Maybe try that before posting such a ridiculously stupid BS?

Try taking your own advice buddy.


Both of you need to relax. Keep your comments aligned to the content of the posts and not on each other.
Moderator PM

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

I'm excited to try out this new gadget!

 

[Tequila]

WTF are you talking about? Voice dialing has me saying "call NAMEXYZ mobile" and the phone dials NAMEXYZ's mobile number, instead of f*&king android doing an internet search in the browser for "call NAMEXYZ mobile"! You got that part right: "WTF?"

Add to that the thousands of other bugs in stock 2.2/2.2.1 and you have what equates to version 0.1 of a proper mobile OS!

WTF is right. As in you don't know WTF you are talking about. If you speak into the voice dialer asking for "call NAMEXYZ" you get the dialog

Voice Dialer
Call NAMEXYZ at mobile
Call NAMEXYZ at work
Call NAMEXYZ at home

Then select to call.

Wow that was really hard!

Tell me all the other great things your 90s mobile phone can do better than my Evo 4g. I'm dying to hear more.

Just too many idiots in this thread that have no idea of what they are talking about. Android bugs? Oh gee I've seen a few here and there(I'll bet wm7 has zero *wink wink*), maybe an app or two that is buggy(like tv.com) but nothing that has caused the phone to malfunction or reboot on me or anything else serious. All the core android and HTC apps/widgets have been rock solid for me as well as the OS.

 

[zsdersw]

I've used the best of them, the DroidX, and there is noticeable lag.

The Droid X is hampered by the skin over Android, not Android itself.

 

[QueBert]

WTF is right. As in you don't know WTF you are talking about. If you speak into the voice dialer asking for "call NAMEXYZ" you get the dialog

Voice Dialer
Call NAMEXYZ at mobile
Call NAMEXYZ at work
Call NAMEXYZ at home

Then select to call.

Wow that was really hard!

Tell me all the other great things your 90s mobile phone can do better than my Evo 4g. I'm dying to hear more.

Just too many idiots in this thread that have no idea of what they are talking about. Android bugs? Oh gee I've seen a few here and there(I'll bet wm7 has zero *wink wink*), maybe an app or two that is buggy(like tv.com) but nothing that has caused the phone to malfunction or reboot on me or anything else serious. All the core android and HTC apps/widgets have been rock solid for me as well as the OS.

Wrong, Voice dialing is totally shit for a lot of people, there are thousands of posts on the google android support forums about this. Half the time it works for me, the other half it opens my dolphin browser and literally searches for "call [name] mobile" It's such a crap shoot I don't even bother messing with it. I use to try and try again thinking I was doing something wrong, but when I saw all the other people complaining about the same thing I stopped using it all together. There's plenty of bugs in Android, most are whatever bugs I could care less about. But the voice dialing + calendar syncing when it feels like it and not doing shit when it doesn't want to are near deal breakers for me. I doubt WM7 will be any better, in fact I'm sure it will have plenty of issues this early on.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

^ Completely agree with what Quebert said. I don't even bother. The success rate is like 40% for me.

 

[Tequila]

^ Completely agree with what Quebert said. I don't even bother. The success rate is like 40% for me.

I use the voice dialer all the time. I've never once seen that bug. I'll admit the calender sync bug I've experienced but dialer bug.. not ever.

 

[MrX8503]

The Droid X is hampered by the skin over Android, not Android itself.

Its not just the DroidX, I've used em all with the same results. Some may lag less than others, but its still there.

 

[aceO07]

The WP7 transition animation really helps make it look smooth.

My HD2 is really faster, but I still notice the half second lag if I open an application. If they placed the transition animation in between, it would feel smoother though the wait time is still the same.

 

[zsdersw]

Its not just the DroidX, I've used em all with the same results. Some may lag less than others, but its still there.

So have I, and I've found it's more the skin than the OS.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

So have I, and I've found it's more the skin than the OS.

Well the problem is the home launcher itself. The Moto launcher is trash and so is the stock launcher. All crap. I liked the videos of the Froyo Droid 1s when it first came out. It was just epic choppy. Of course everyone just tells you to root and overclock or flash a new ROM, but to me that's just unacceptable. They really need to haul ass and develop a launcher that doesn't bog down so easily.

But it's good to know we have solutions like ADW and Launcher Pro that can give you a decent amount of smoothness. Devices like the DROID need memory and kernel tweaks to achieve decent performance.