WP7 Mango - My thoughts

Slick5150

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I picked up an HTC Arrive last week and nearly immediately took the steps to install the "beta" Mango version of WP7 on the phone. After spending several days with it testing various things out, I thought I'd just offer my thoughts.

As background I'm coming from using a Palm Pre + on Sprint (Frankenpre!) and am a HUGE fan of WebOS. I'm also very familiar with Android (had an Android work phone at one point, also have an Asus Tranformer tablet now), and had an iPhone 3GS for about 6 months.

As for WP7 Mango, it's really pretty slick. The UI is as smooth as could be (something neither WebOS or Android can claim) and once you get accustomed to the differences between it and other mobile OS', most of those differences begin to make a fair amount of sense.

The biggest new features of Mango are multitasking and changes to the messaging system. As for multitasking, it's there, but it's hard to say just how well it works as none of the 3rd party apps are really designed to work with it yet. For example, while listening to Slacker radio, I can background it within the OS, but the app still stops playing. I would assume an update will come out for it (and many other apps) around the time Mango phones are actually released, but for now it's more or less a feature in waiting.

The new messaging app takes a WebOS approach in tying all of your conversations with people into the same window (texts & IMs). Unfortunately, the only IM services tied into this are Windows Live Messenger and Facebook chat, neither of which I really use. I'm REALLY hoping they add support for Google Talk and Yahoo IM at some point prior to release as without those, you're neglecting the vast majority of IM users.

The App marketplace is nicely organized, though compared especially to the Apple and Android markets it's very sparsely populated. Most of the major needs are covered however, including a Netflix app that includes streaming video to your phone that works quite well.

Another nice feature of WP7 phones is the camera app. There's a dedicated camera button on the phone that you can press to immediatley launch the camera, which is quick and responsive. Press the button halfway to focus, press it all the way to take the picture. Results were fairly good, but obviously this will depend on large part to the specific phone you're running WP7 on.

Mango also brings a new IE9 browser which, in a word, is FAST. I compared it with browsers on my Pre Plus (Universe browser), as well as several Android browsers, and IE9 was pulling pages up faster than any of them. Navigating within web pages was always smooth as well, again something I couldn't say about any of the other browsers.

All in all, I'm happy with the phone and the Mango based OS. At times I found myself missing some of the WebOS features, but by in large it has been working well for me. Once Mango is actually released and all of the apps are designed to take advantage of it, I think Microsoft will have a VERY competitive mobile OS on their hands, and it sounds like they have some great hardware partners ready to launch a whole lot of new phones (really interested to see what Nokia comes up with).

Anyway, just sharing my thoughts. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask.
 
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notposting

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Sweet. I am hoping that they can get a top notch model onto VZW for the holidays...going to switch then I think.
 

Jinny

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can it do any form of tethering?
i've gotten too accustomed to it with my current and previous phones. aside from that i like wp7.
 

Slick5150

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can it do any form of tethering?
i've gotten too accustomed to it with my current and previous phones. aside from that i like wp7.

To my knowledge no, not yet. Admittedly I haven't looked into sideloading apps yet so I'm not 100% sure if there's an unofficial app out there but I didn't see any talk of one.
 

Slick5150

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Mango supports tethering if enabled by the carrier.

Right. I'm more curious if there are...unofficial ways of enabling tethering. For example on WebOS there's an app called Freetether that allows tethering outside of the carrier knowing about it.
 

abaez

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I'm pretty sure there is no GV app for Windows Phone. Has anyone tried to use Google Voice via the website on the phone?
 

dougp

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Right. I'm more curious if there are...unofficial ways of enabling tethering. For example on WebOS there's an app called Freetether that allows tethering outside of the carrier knowing about it.

There probably will be, but you have to keep in mind that MS is going to allow "jailbreaking" or "rooting" in a supported fashion by allowing Chevron to sell an unlocking tool. MS will still probably control things, especially since they can ban an application through the Marketplace, despite an app not being listed on the Marketplace.
 

VashHT

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Right. I'm more curious if there are...unofficial ways of enabling tethering. For example on WebOS there's an app called Freetether that allows tethering outside of the carrier knowing about it.

I know you can do it with the Focus, I've never tried it myself but it's basically just enabling it through a diagnostics menu.
 

poofyhairguy

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MS will still probably control things, especially since they can ban an application through the Marketplace, despite an app not being listed on the Marketplace.

Wait, what?!?!

Does that mean that if you sideload apps in WM7 and MS doesn't like them they have the power to prevent you from using that app via the market?
 

dougp

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Wait, what?!?!

Does that mean that if you sideload apps in WM7 and MS doesn't like them they have the power to prevent you from using that app via the market?

They always have. Before the NoDo update, I used ChevronWP7 to unlock my phone, and put the app on that allowed me to change the theme color. Not sure what happened, I believe I forgot to block a cert on the phone or my PC, but I tried to launch it a few weeks later and it told me that the app was not approved by MS and it would be uninstalled.
 

Trader05

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hey slick5150, did they add vibrate only for new email notification? Thats main thing that kills the current stock version for me.
 

dougp

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Oh wow. Thanks for the info dougp. That crossed WM7 off my list forever....

If you didn't know, both Apple and Google maintain the exact same kind of kill switch. Microsoft did it because ChevronWP7 was actually screwing up phones at one point, especially if you forced a NoDo update before it came out. It's there to protect you as a user against malicious software.
 

Andrmgic

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The thing with the chevron unlock was that they invalidated the certificate used to unlock your device with the chevron hack.

There is a legitimate method to use unofficial applications coming from the ChevronWP7 team in conjunction with Microsoft for people that don't want to be limited to Microsoft's walled garden.

Basically, Microsoft didn't revoke the app.. your device didn't stay dev unlocked after you upgraded, and it recognized that your device was no longer recognized as a developer device and did not have permission to run the application.
 
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poofyhairguy

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The thing with the chevron unlock was that they invalidated the certificate used to unlock your device with the chevron hack.

There is a legitimate method to use unofficial applications coming from the ChevronWP7 team in conjunction with Microsoft for people that don't want to be limited to Microsoft's walled garden.

Basically, Microsoft didn't revoke the app.. your device didn't stay dev unlocked after you upgraded, and it recognized that your device was no longer recognized as a developer device and did not have permission to run the application.

Thanks for the further explanation. That makes sense.
 

dougp

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The thing with the chevron unlock was that they invalidated the certificate used to unlock your device with the chevron hack.

There is a legitimate method to use unofficial applications coming from the ChevronWP7 team in conjunction with Microsoft for people that don't want to be limited to Microsoft's walled garden.

Basically, Microsoft didn't revoke the app.. your device didn't stay dev unlocked after you upgraded, and it recognized that your device was no longer recognized as a developer device and did not have permission to run the application.

Like I said, I didn't block a cert somewhere (I ran the unlocker at work, not at home) so when I went to plugin to sync something at home, it screwed me up. But, MS does have the ability to kill an app.
 

Andrmgic

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Like I said, I didn't block a cert somewhere (I ran the unlocker at work, not at home) so when I went to plugin to sync something at home, it screwed me up. But, MS does have the ability to kill an app.

of course they do. So does Google and so does Apple.

I was merely pointing out that the loss of your dev unlock was why the app no longer ran, not because MS revoked a non-marketplace app.
 

gsaldivar

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Oh wow. Thanks for the info dougp. That crossed WM7 off my list forever....

As stated by others, ALL phone OS's (and all modern devices for that matter) have a kill switch that allows the manufacturer to disable or remove malicious/unapproved software by remote. That includes Apple's iPhone, Google Android, Microsoft WP7, Amazon Kindle, etc...

Where have you been the last few years? :D
 

dougp

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of course they do. So does Google and so does Apple.

I was merely pointing out that the loss of your dev unlock was why the app no longer ran, not because MS revoked a non-marketplace app.

Actually, I believe MS did revoke an app at one point. Wonder if I can find the notes on WPCentral.
 

Munky

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As stated by others, ALL phone OS's (and all modern devices for that matter) have a kill switch that allows the manufacturer to disable or remove malicious/unapproved software by remote. That includes Apple's iPhone, Google Android, Microsoft WP7, Amazon Kindle, etc...

Where have you been the last few years? :D

If by "all" you mean all except Symbian and Blackberry, then yeah. One more reason I'm not using all those other phone OS's.
 

poofyhairguy

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Where have you been the last few years? :D

Just mindlessly using my iPhones, focusing my nerd energies towards regular computers (especially HTPCs, I have more of them then I have tvs in the house).

But reading everyone's thoughts on here (especially you, Deeko, shorty, and Pliable) have got me hooked on mobile devices (well that and I Nook Color I bought on Pliable's recommendation). I am convinced that they are the future and that they eventually they will kill off a chunk of my old buddy the PC market, so I am here to stay. The fact that you can overclock helps....