Wow what a day yesterday....

BoldAsLove

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Background Information (cliffs on bottom, please try to read the whole thing as you will get much more out of it)
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Me, my girlfriend, and my girlfriends mom found a cute little cocker spaniel on craigslist. The lady found him at an LA inner city pound. He was found with all sorts of dirt all over him, and so she cleaned him up and made him pretty again. The vet thinks he is about 1.5 years old, but we believe he is about a year old since he still teethes and has some room to grow around the torso. Sounds normal yea? What all seemed so normal, ended up being insane.
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So I call up this lady to state my interest in the dog, and she said the usual "great, come out here Sunday to meet him etc.". And so thats exactly what we did. On that very Sunday (this is early December) myself, my girlfriend, and my girlfriends mom went out to the valley to meet the puppy. He seemed very excited to meet us, and the lady seemed nice and kind as well. Of course at this point, we did not know of her insane antics just yet. After meeting the dog, all of us (including the psychotic lady) decided that a home check of the home will be done next weekend on Sunday during which the lady would drive down to our house and bring the dog with her.
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The next Sunday comes along, and by this time we have the doggy door installed and everything is all ready to be checked out. She goes around the house and okay's everything and Bradley (the dog) is as happy as can be. She had us write a check to her for $250 as the fee for all his shots/medicine/care that was given to him before he was ours. She also gave us a bunch of paperwork about his shots etc. What we didn't really think about was a contract. She never gave us one. Whether she did this purposely or not I do not know. But keep the $250 in mind as this story goes along. There was also another caveat to the adoption at the present time. We were leaving from December 22nd - 30th. The lady agreed to hold onto Bradley during that time and then give him back to us on the 31st. We all thought, yea that would be good. And so we agreed, and she left Bradley with us.
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Bradley was such a wonderful dog. We taught him how to sit, lie down, give paw etc. He would snuggle up with us on the couch and everything. Except one day about 4 days before we had to give him back to her while we were on vacation, he dashed out the door and a car almost hit him. This was not my girlfriend and I's fault as we were not home and were unaware of this. My girlfriend's mom was having a party that night and a bunch of ladies were over by the door and they had left it open. Bradley's barricade was wide open, so he decided to dash outside. Thankfully he was okay. That was his only little incident from that period where he was bad. Of course he did not know any better and the ladies leaving the door open was like an open invitation.
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The day to give Bradley back up came along and so we drove him back out to the valley again with the bed that we bought him, his dish, his toys etc. My girlfriend's mother being the very open and honest person she is told this lady everything and I mean everything that had happened. This was quite the mistake. The lady seemed to take it well and realized that it wasn't our fault and we didn't mean to let him out. It seemed like she understood that things like this happen.
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So we are off in Maryland for our little mini vacation until the 30th in which we arrived back at LAX at around 8 PM. As soon as we landed, my girlfriend called up the lady at least 3 times. There were no answers every call. We wanted to pick him up the next morning at around 10 AM so we were attempting to get in touch with her. So we picked up our luggage and headed home. My girlfriend's mom ended up finding a message on the phone saying that we had to check our email right away as the lady had written us a very long email concerning Bradley. My girlfriend's mom proceeded to her email inbox to find the email. She was basically stating that we were unfit to house this wonderful dog and that he was "too much of a dog for us and even myself" (myself meaning the lady). We basically took this as BS, and proceeded to be pissed. This lady wasn't going to give us our dog back. My girlfriend began to cry as she was attached and had bonded with the dog already. We just say there all like there was nothing we were able to do.
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The next morning comes around and my girlfriend calls me up to come over still upset and half crying over the whole ordeal. I come over and she instantly beguns crying about how she misses the dog, and I attempt to cheer her up (unsuccessfully might I add). Long story short in this part after many episodes of crying, I call up the lady and explain that we did no harm to this dog and that its wrong for you to take him away from us. Meanwhile, my girlfriend's mom is unreachable at the gym so we cannot use her verbal skills to our advantage quite yet. The lady calls back and talks to my girlfriend, but my girlfriend is in tears and can barely get any words out but somehow managed to say, "My mom will call you back soon." After what seems like forever, her mom comes home and calls up this lady. She explained everything. She basically said that we are willing to work with him fully and get a trainer to help us along so that he is not "too much dog for us" (we didn't think he was anyway, but we wanted to make a point to use her words). She somehow finally caved in and then brought the dog over approximately 2 hours later.
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In the span of this 2 hours, my girlfriend and I got everything ready like the lady suggested. She suggested we go to Petco and get a dog tag with his name, our address, phone number etc. We got that done, and then proceeded to another pet store to get him a safety harness for the car. We also decided to purchase a shock collar as the pet store clerk (whom we have known forever and trust) strongly recommended it. We were going to use it as an extra barricade behind the other gate barricade just in case he was somehow able to get over the first barricade. If he got over the first barricade, it would just give him a little shock which would send him back. Seems simple enough, yes?
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We get back to the house and within a few minutes the lady shows up with Bradley. She seems happy and content with everything and gives us all sorts of new toys and some dog food to try out. She also gave us "the book of Bradley" as she liked to call it. It was basically a binder with his picture on it and all sorts of papers on training, nutrition, and room to put new papers we have in it. We kind of took that as obsessive, but we ignored that fact. Everything seemed great and back to normal! We got our dog back, the lady seemed happy, we were happy etc. What we didn't know was this was still going downhill.
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We took Bradley on a walk on the strand later that day only to come back to another email from the lady. What my girlfriend and I didn't know, was that again her mom had told the lady about everything including the collar we just got him. This is where she began being ballistic. She thought we were torturing him with a shocker and had a clicker in our hands pressing it every second. The dog never even got shocked and it was just an extra barricade to keep him safe and NOT injure him. Heres the email she sent us as follows -
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Yikes! Get that shock collar off NOW!! I had an adopted dog that ended
up having seizures after wearing one!! I got him into a new home, but it
was too late--he had a massive seizure one day and died!
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Kay (my gf's mom) then responded with -

Cathy, if you are going to proceed with this adoption, the people must
have that gate up first and a signed adoption contract that specifically
states no shock collars. They cannot take ownership over from us without
this in writing.
Also, you must include the fact the you will be allowed home visits to
follow up that they are getting him the proper training that he needs and
no more shock collars.
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Cathy's (the lady) Response -

Kay,

Please call me ASAP - you need to get Bradley out of that shock collar
immediately. Another rescuer from (name of rescue organization) told me that
another cocker spaniel ending up having seizures from one and died. This
is a very serious threat to Bradley's life. Please call me, this is
extremely URGENT that you get that collar off of him!

Cathy
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We proceeded to take the collar off him as we believed this psychotic lady. We emailed her and told her this but she still apparently did not believe us. A couple hours later she sent another email.
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Hi Kay, Danielle & Andrew,

I've been up all night, just worrying and worrying about Bradley and that
shock collar you are using to train him to keep him out of your living
room.

I understand your desire for an immediate and quick fix to the situation
and of course using a shock collar will give you immediate results.
However, ask yourself if you would use a shock collar to train a child?
If so, what kind of fear based relationship would you eventually
have with that child?

I am worried about the long term effects this is going to have on Bradley
and his personality. Right now, he is a perfectly normal dog who has a
lot of affection and trust in people. Using shock treatment, rather than
behavior modification, he is learning to associate a physical shock to
being in your home. This eventually is going to lead to him associating
physical pain to his relationship with you. This is how seemingly
friendly dogs, one day snap and become aggressive or bite or attack
someone and it is more than likely it will be a household member, not a
stranger.

You may think that a shock collar is harmless because he is not falling to
the floor and screaming in pain, but you are doing long term emotional
damage as well as possible neurological damage that will be irreversible.
Here is one of many many articles you can find online that talks about
how dangerous using a shock collar can be.

http://members.aol.com/ukaim/frame.htm?c_shock.htm

I thought you said you were going to put up an actual gate to keep him out
of your living room?

In regards to the "Good Dog Collar", I looked it up and I'm attaching a
picture of it - it looks just as restrictive to the neck and trachea as a
choke collar.

Collars that restrict the dog's neck can cause neurological damages, or
harm the trachea, larynx, esophagus, spinal cord, intervertebral disc
protrusion, and damage to the vagus nerve which affects the functions of
major organs such as the heart, lungs, liver, bladder, spleen and
kidneys.

I'm also attaching an article that recommends a harness as the safest tool
to train your dog to walk well on the leash, as opposed to a collar that
tightens around the neck.

http://www.helpinganimals.com/animalsHome_dogs_collar.asp

I know that you all want to turn Bradley into a well behaved dog, but my
fear is that you are using methods that will give you an instant result,
but are going to create long term damage, to him both on a physical and
neurological level - as well as to his personality.

There are many many trainers out there who approach behavior modification
with positive training methods. Yes, these methods will require time and
commitment from you and will not offer a quick fix - but in the long run,
you will be building a positive relationship with your dog, rather than
teaching him to fear you and to fear his own home.

Kay, will you please call me today? Now that I've read up more about both
of these topics, I am beyond alarmed. I implore you not to proceed with
the shock collar and the choke collar and I would very much like to offer
you your donation back, rather than risk Bradley's life in this way, or
worse yet, turn him into an aggressive dog. I am worried about the
shocking he has been getting in the last twenty-four hours and that it
may have already affected his relationship with you.

Kay, I would like to come out there today and reimburse you for your
donation and find Bradley a home with someone that is more comfortable
with dog training methods that will not harm him.

Cathy
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This is where we begin to think she is insane and a psychopath. She is assuming we are horrible people and are torturing this dog to no end. She is NUTS! We decided to devise a long email to address these "problems" with solutions. I do not have a copy of this one, but it basically stated that we understand your concern, and again we have taken the collar off , but at this point in time it is out of your hands and we will consider this matter closed. It said that but in a much more adequate and polite way as we did not want to sound harsh.
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Uh oh..psychotic lady is back again with another email 10 minutes later. This is where she REALLY goes off the deep end. She exclaims that she MUST get Bradley to her vet immediately as the collar has already done physical damage to him. We emailed back again saying this is out of your hands, and we will take him to OUR vet just to prove to you that nothing is wrong with him. We knew that if she took him to her vet that she would kidnap him from us so we refused to do so. That was the end of the conversation from then on. We had thought that put the icing on the cake and everything was fine again. No more psycho lady to bother us. Wrong again. This is the sad sad sad sad sad part, I even had some tears in my eyes.
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The next morning dictated by my girlfriend of her personal account (she had to do this for the police report..we'll get to that in a bit)....

"Andrew and i were sitting on my bed playing around with Bradley, petting him and taking pictures of him. We saw a cop car outside and i said, "Am i parked on the right side of the street?". We looked and i was parked on the correct side, so we figured the cop was there for the neighbors for some reason, so we disregarded it and kept playing with Bradley. A few minutes later we heard the words "shock collar" outside and looked and saw Cathy Xxxxxxx standing outside of our house with two policemen.

i said to andrew "are you kidding me?" when i saw them outside, and so i went downstairs to see what was going on. Bradley, being my faithful puppy dog, followed me. We went downstairs and when we were in the dining room i told Bradley to stay there and went through the gate that we had in the hallway between the living room and the dining room so he couldn't get to where he isn't supposed to be. i saw at the door the two cops, and like any other normal, innocent person who sees two cops at their door, opened the door.

The tall cop introduced himself and asked if my parents were home, to which i answered, "no, my mom is at work." He asked me where she works and i told him, "Boeing". Cathy Xxxxxxx strategically chose this time when my mom would be at work and I would be at home, defenseless to steal my dog. The tall policeman said that there seemed to be some issue with a dog and i replied, "The dog is fine, you can see him for yourself." We went into the hallway and Cathy Xxxxxxx followed us. i opened the gate so the cops could see Bradley and see that he was perfectly healthy and happy. Cathy was hysteric and yelled "Is he okay?! is the collar on him? oh god oh god!" I told her that we took the collar off just like she requested, just like we told her we did. She then picked up my dog and said "He needs to see a vet RIGHT NOW" and i told her, "He has an appointment with our vet at 1:15 today," then she walked out my door with my dog.

I was crying so hard because this crazy woman just came into my house and took away this dog that i love so much, and there was nothing i could do. the policeman told me that it was legally still her dog because the contract wasn't signed handing him over to us. I was crying and crying and crying and i told the man that she was crazy and taking my dog for reasons that she made up and were entirely false. He told me that while he didn't necessarily agree with it, there was nothing that he could do about it. They left with my dog and i haven't seen him since.

Cathy Xxxxxxx is not a sane or rational person and should not be allowed to be around other human beings. I feel that she has caused serious emotional and psychological damage to me and that she is a criminal.
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After talking to a lawyer friend, we came to the conclusion that the check we gave her was indeed a legal contract. She had cashed it therefore it was a legal contract that the dog was ours. Therefore, we can get her with trespassing, theft, and kidnapping. The dog is legally ours and she took him from us. We are currently in the process of gathering all evidence and filing a police report to get this crazy lady locked up. I think I'm leaving out a few key details, but its getting quiet long and I think this got everything across well enough. I just felt like I had to let this all out to show how crazy a lady can get. Hopefully we will be able to get our dog back, and get a restraining order against this lady.
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CLIFFS
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1. Found dog on craigslist for adoption
2. We take dog before vacation
3. During our vacation, lady takes back dog voluntarily to give him back when we return
4. We return and lady refuses to give him back saying we are unfit
5. Lady caves in and brings us dog
6. Lady then complains a few hours later that we are torturing the dog (this is false of course)
7. The next day lady comes with 2 cops and kidnaps the dog saying that there was no contract
8. We talk to a lawyer friend and the lawyer says that the check she cashed is a binding legal contract and that she can be charged with theft, kidnapping, and trespassing.
9. We are gathering evidence at this moment to file a police report tonight.
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I will update this when we find out whats up after the police report!
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Pic of Bradley
 

bigdog1218

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I was crying so hard because this crazy woman just came into my house and took away this dog that i love so much, and there was nothing i could do. the policeman told me that it was legally still her dog because the contract wasn't signed handing him over to us. I was crying and crying and crying and i told the man that she was crazy and taking my dog for reasons that she made up and were entirely false.

A bit melodramatic are we? You had the dog for a week, put a shock collar on it and then act as if you and your gf lost a life long friend.
 

BoldAsLove

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Originally posted by: bigdog1218
I was crying so hard because this crazy woman just came into my house and took away this dog that i love so much, and there was nothing i could do. the policeman told me that it was legally still her dog because the contract wasn't signed handing him over to us. I was crying and crying and crying and i told the man that she was crazy and taking my dog for reasons that she made up and were entirely false.

A bit melodramatic are we? You had the dog for a week, put a shock collar on it and then act as if you and your gf lost a life long friend.

Have you ever met a girl? An insane lady came into her house and stole a dog that she loved while there was nothing she could do. Thats like a girls worst nightmare.
 

KK

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Makes you wanna kill a dog infront of the b1tch. :p

anyways, I would say that cashing the check is binding. but I'm not an attorney.
 

jcuadrado

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holy shite...how long did it take you to type that man?

hope you get the dog back.
 

BoldAsLove

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Originally posted by: KK
Makes you wanna kill a dog infront of the b1tch. :p

anyways, I would say that cashing the check is binding. but I'm not an attorney.

you are correct sir. As I stated in the post, our attorney said it indeed was.
 

BoldAsLove

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Originally posted by: jcuadrado
holy shite...how long did it take you to type that man?

hope you get the dog back.

about an hour, its good to be done. I just felt like I needed to type that all out and thought that I might as well post it.
 

KK

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Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
Originally posted by: KK
Makes you wanna kill a dog infront of the b1tch. :p

anyways, I would say that cashing the check is binding. but I'm not an attorney.

you are correct sir. As I stated in the post, our attorney said it indeed was.

Take her to animal court with judge whopner(sp?).
 

Jassi

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Don't you hate it when the parents just can't let go :(

I read through the whole thing, thats one crazy story OP.
 

TheBiggmann

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Wow, what a psychotic broad....I can see it now: Police walk in with lady claiming you are torturing this dog. Police walk in to find the dog one a plush queen sized bed, amidst stuffed animals, and with a king cut prime rib in his mouth. That lady needs to get a freaking life. I myself have a dog and used a shock collar sparingly for some basic training (stay off the couch, don't leave the yard, stay out of the garbage) and my dog is one of the most friendly dogs you will meet, both to me and anyone else. I can also probably name at least 5 other people who use them and their dogs are just as friendly. Recommendation: psychiatric counseling, along with a background check...Good luck with this situation, I hope you get him back.
 

AreaCode707

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Crazy lady, sheesh.

Dude, it's really not worth pursuing legally. Go get another dog - you'll fall just in love with it, I promise.
 
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Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
Originally posted by: AaronB
Therefore, we can get her with trespassing, theft, and kidnapping.

Are you really that stupid?

yes...kidnapping applies to not only people

I'm not so sure about that. Dogs are considered property in the eyes of the law. At most, you'd be able to go after her for trespassing (only if you didn't invite her in), theft, and breach of contract.
 

BoldAsLove

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Originally posted by: HotChic
Crazy lady, sheesh.

Dude, it's really not worth pursuing legally. Go get another dog - you'll fall just in love with it, I promise.

This is not just over the dog. Its the fact that this lady is insane and deserves to be punished. We all can't morally sit there while she could very well possibly to this same thing to other people. That would be like letting a crime go on.
 

AaronB

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Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
Originally posted by: AaronB
Therefore, we can get her with trespassing, theft, and kidnapping.

Are you really that stupid?

yes...kidnapping applies to not only people



Legal definition of kidnapping:
Crime of seizing, confining, abducting, or carrying away a person by force or fraud, often to subject him or her to involuntary servitude, in an attempt to demand a ransom, or in furtherance of another crime.

California's view on kidnapping:
Kidnapping is defined in California as forcibly, or by any other means of instilling fear, stealing or taking any person. The distance that a person is moved must be substantial in order to constitute kidnapping.

Please tell me that you don't believe you can salvage your arguement by pointing to Federal law. I can post that too.


 

BoldAsLove

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Okay, sorry. Big deal its dognapping whatever. What would you call it? I guess its a form of theft, but the theft part is the money situation.
 
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Originally posted by: BoldAsLove
Okay, sorry. Big deal its dognapping whatever. What would you call it? I guess its a form of theft, but the theft part is the money situation.

It would be theft in both cases.