Wow, V4-4500s out in CrapUSAs
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I think its a comprimise between the G450 and the GeForce2 MX. On the one hand, it should reasonable 2D image quality, better than the MX but worse than the G450. 2D performance should be good too. Also, it will run 3D games much faster than a G450 but slower than an MX, except perhaps in GLide games.
However, it still lacks dual display capabilities(correct me if I'm wrong)...
However, it still lacks dual display capabilities(correct me if I'm wrong)...
Such pessimism. You haven't even seen benchmarks for the 4500 so how can you make performance claims! Pathetic. So fast to put 3dfx down. Why? Do you have something against the company that brought 3d gaming to the PC?
And for the Glide comment... Yes, it will rock with glide games. And if you want to know, 3 of the top 10 games are glide games.
It will sell very. The voodoo name alone gives it top priority for shelf space. In fact you'll notice that at all retailers voodoo cards take up about 25% of all the video cards that are offered. Retailers know that voodoo sells.
So, if you have a personal vendetta against 3dfx let us know why.
And for the Glide comment... Yes, it will rock with glide games. And if you want to know, 3 of the top 10 games are glide games.
It will sell very. The voodoo name alone gives it top priority for shelf space. In fact you'll notice that at all retailers voodoo cards take up about 25% of all the video cards that are offered. Retailers know that voodoo sells.
So, if you have a personal vendetta against 3dfx let us know why.
MGallik
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It should be about the same as a V5 5500 at lower res. If you're happy
at 1024*768*32 or less and dont want the incompatability issues of the GF's
you may be more than pleased with the V4.
A new V3, faster and with 32 bit color. As soon as they drop to $120
or less I'll be picking up 3 for my systems.
edit:
I've tested my V5 5500 in single chip mode and found it performed well
with very little loss in speed at resolutions at and below 1024*768.
And, of course, there's Glide.
at 1024*768*32 or less and dont want the incompatability issues of the GF's
you may be more than pleased with the V4.
A new V3, faster and with 32 bit color. As soon as they drop to $120
or less I'll be picking up 3 for my systems.
edit:
I've tested my V5 5500 in single chip mode and found it performed well
with very little loss in speed at resolutions at and below 1024*768.
And, of course, there's Glide.
<< Such pessimism......So, if you have a personal vendetta against 3dfx let us know why >>
Well, I don't have a vendetta against them....but looky here
Now, even suppose we realize that the drivers have matured, and gotten better performance. A GTS mx is faster than an SDR Geforce....
The V4 is a smaller version of the V5. End of story.
Then the MX is a smaller version of the GTS end of story.
And the 4500 preview wasn't even of a 4500 just a 5500 in single chip mode. The 4500 may be faster then the 5500 in single chip mode.. maybe that's why it has taken extra time to tweak it for a performance boost!
And the 4500 preview wasn't even of a 4500 just a 5500 in single chip mode. The 4500 may be faster then the 5500 in single chip mode.. maybe that's why it has taken extra time to tweak it for a performance boost!
nippyjun, it is very much "in style" to bash 3dfx here.
BurntKooshie, there's more to gaming life than Q3 benchmarks.
"It costs as much as an MX but with 50% the performence." Imperium97, exactly which part of your @ss did you pull this statistic from?
Now, I'm not necessarily defending this card, nor am I saying that it's any good at all, or worth $150. However, it gets very old watching people bash 3dfx.
BurntKooshie, there's more to gaming life than Q3 benchmarks.
"It costs as much as an MX but with 50% the performence." Imperium97, exactly which part of your @ss did you pull this statistic from?
Now, I'm not necessarily defending this card, nor am I saying that it's any good at all, or worth $150. However, it gets very old watching people bash 3dfx.
Really?
I actually liked 3DFX cards. imho i think they are pretty reliable. i would definately go pick one up today!!!
I actually liked 3DFX cards. imho i think they are pretty reliable. i would definately go pick one up today!!!
Bad move by 3dfx? Hardly. Like them or not, it's a great marketing strategy. The average consumer has been looking at the Voodoo 5 high price tag and shying away. Now they have their low-cost alternative. 3dfx still has a golden reputation in the retail market.
Uh... Nippy, are you "slow" or something?
You'd have to be utterly stupid (And shop at CompUSA...) to get a V4-4500. Why would you even think about it when things like the GeForce2 MX are out?
Goi - Is it a fact that the GeForce's 2D is worse than 3Dfuxups?
You'd have to be utterly stupid (And shop at CompUSA...) to get a V4-4500. Why would you even think about it when things like the GeForce2 MX are out?
Goi - Is it a fact that the GeForce's 2D is worse than 3Dfuxups?
Mem
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My input on both cards(V4 & MX),I`ve owned a Voodoo/Nvidia card at one time & I`ve just ordered a Geforce2 MX,the reason why in my opinion it`s better value for money then V4 & driver wise I`ve had no problems with Nvidia products if I did I would consider buying a 3DFX card.
It all comes down to do you have problems with Nvidia cards on your system?If so buy a Voodoo card,but if both run well(V4 & geforce2 MX )on your system then the MX is the better option why? cheaper,faster & more hardware features.
It all comes down to do you have problems with Nvidia cards on your system?If so buy a Voodoo card,but if both run well(V4 & geforce2 MX )on your system then the MX is the better option why? cheaper,faster & more hardware features.
I can't imagine that the driver tweaking for the V4 4500 is going to make that much difference. It really would seem that the 4500 is the poorer choice between it and the MX cards for the price/performance issue. I still think that they will sell quite a few of them tho. Market name is what it's all about. If they were both on a shelf, and the price were w/in few dollars, I would MAYBE pick the 4500, just becouse of bad experiences I've had w/ NVIDIA incompatibility problems, but I seriously doubt that the 4500 is going to offer any spectacular benches over the 5500 at low res. If it did, then it would have a market, but I seriously doubt that it will.
Eli...well I'm talking about 2D image quality. Performance wise I haven't seen any high resolution benchmarks, and at low resolutions(1024x768 and below) performance is moot since they're all about the same. So the judge is still out on that one.
However, from what I've read, 2D image quality is better on 3dfx cards than nvidia cards, in general. Of course, this is in general, and image quality is subjective, so I can't really say its "a fact".
However, from what I've read, 2D image quality is better on 3dfx cards than nvidia cards, in general. Of course, this is in general, and image quality is subjective, so I can't really say its "a fact".
Hey Wingznut Pez,
You know what annoys me!?! People defending 3dfx for no reason. Is it really bashing 3dfx just by stating a fact about their product? But whatever, honestly i don't care much.
And you're right, I just said those numbers on what i was expecting, but i did look around and look at the following
[L]http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1266&p=9[/L]
and
[L]http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1229&p=8[/L]
In q3 demo1(32bit, 1024x768) the v4 got 33.6fps and the MX got 43.8fps.
That's almost 50% faster. (note 50% faster does not mean twice as fast) Also keep in mind those MX benchmarks are done using the 5.30 reference drivers and not det3, which gives even better performence.
With my MX i get 51.3 fps at 1024x768, 32bit, and all options on. You can see my details here [L]http://www.geocities.com/battlecarrier01/timedemos.html[/L]
EDIT: Damn i hate this new interface
You know what annoys me!?! People defending 3dfx for no reason. Is it really bashing 3dfx just by stating a fact about their product? But whatever, honestly i don't care much.
And you're right, I just said those numbers on what i was expecting, but i did look around and look at the following
[L]http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1266&p=9[/L]
and
[L]http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1229&p=8[/L]
In q3 demo1(32bit, 1024x768) the v4 got 33.6fps and the MX got 43.8fps.
That's almost 50% faster. (note 50% faster does not mean twice as fast) Also keep in mind those MX benchmarks are done using the 5.30 reference drivers and not det3, which gives even better performence.
With my MX i get 51.3 fps at 1024x768, 32bit, and all options on. You can see my details here [L]http://www.geocities.com/battlecarrier01/timedemos.html[/L]
EDIT: Damn i hate this new interface
Eli, I have a 5500. You are stupid, na na na na na. C'mon, I didn't bash anyone and this is the crap I get. Grow up.
I'll start by saying that I haven't really read this thread through, but Imperium97, I'm sorry, but 33.6 to 43.8 is not almost 50%, its about 30% and unless life on your planet is different than ours that doesn't classify as almost 50%.
Yeah, you're right, it is 30%, but 51.3 is 50%. That's why i italisized almost. Granted, the calculation is 30% from 33.6 to 43.8 BUT that extra 7fps (from det3) closes up the other 20%. Point being, it only takes 7fps more to change that 30% to 50%.
And my original post is wrong anyway. The way i worded it i said it was twice as fast.
And my original post is wrong anyway. The way i worded it i said it was twice as fast.
I believe the 4500 will sell. 3dfx branding is still a big deal. Folks who bought 3dfx boards in the past and were happy with them will look for a new Voodoo on the shelves when the upgrade. They'll either buy straight by brand name or compare their "Voodoo2" to "Voodoo4" or maybe "3500" vs "4500", think it's a lot better, and shell out the dough. No idea how many buy this way but more than you might realize.
The Voodoo brand name is like a bug-zapper for the uninformed masses. "Must...urk...buy...ack...name...eep...familiar...with...snork!"
The Voodoo Name is still huge, as JellyBelly said. The 4500 will sell, but most likely only in the retail sector.
Mike
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Just like the last couple guys said, the Voodoo name has been on the market for the last 4 or 5 years. How many people that walk up to a happless schmuck worker in best buy and get the geforce mx recommended to them? I'd guess not too many. 3dfx is a retail market. They make their money off of sales in best buy, crapusa, staples ect because they have the name.
They just don't have the "joe blow" name recognition that 3dfx does. It's pretty much the same as Intel vs. AMD. Intel has a much greater pull in the retail market due to name recognition.
They just don't have the "joe blow" name recognition that 3dfx does. It's pretty much the same as Intel vs. AMD. Intel has a much greater pull in the retail market due to name recognition.
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