Wow... this administration has gone overboard

[rudder]

The link below is a few hours old and there aren't too many sources... so the commentary is based on the assumption that this is true until proven otherwise. Should it be proven true... how anyone can still support the Obama administration is beyond me. This stuff makes the original patriot act seem like a child's game compared to what happened.

So we have a reporter. This reporter did investigative reports including reporting on stories of subject like terrorists doing dry runs on U.S. air carrier routes.

So in 1986 her husband had a charge of resisting arrest and agents from the Department of Homeland Security and the Maryland State Police used this a justification to raid her house to "look for illegally possessed firearms." During the course of the raid her confidential notes we confiscated despite this being outside the scope of the warrant. These notes presumably contained names of sources that revealed some of the details of her stories.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/25/e...ive-reporters-confidential-files-during-raid/

I know most of the Obama supporters will see nothing wrong with this. Despite having the Department of Homeland security involved in a state level issue. And I am just amazed stuff like this happens and nothing will come of it. In other news.... the number of people who receive mean tested benefits from the government outnumber the amount of people who are employed year round. But just go about your day.

 

[Atreus21]

Wasn't the DHS created in the 2000s?

Edit: Oops. Misread.

 

[Attic]

If true then the actions taken are a pretty logical outcome of increasing centralized power.

Punish dissent, reward/tolerate conformity.

 

[Matt1970]

Why do I think there is more to the story than this lady is claiming?

 

[thraashman]

Why do I think there is more to the story than this lady is claiming?

Because the story is from her perspective and no one ever volunteers information that might make them look bad. I think I'll wait this one out to have a reaction. At worst this sounds like it might be due to the actions of a vindictive former air marshall that the documents were taken.

It should be noted that even if a search warrant doesn't mention something specifically, if it is illegal then it can be confiscated too. Like if a warrant says they're looking for a suspected murder weapon and don't find it but find a pile of cocaine they aren't required to ignore it.

 

[saratoga172]

While I think there is more to this story, I also think we are becoming too top heavy as a government. The government is looking to become more in people's lives and obtaining more and more power.

This may have or may not have come from Obama. But I don't necessarily think we'll see this kind of thing disappear once he is out of office and a new administration takes over. Unless they are very radical compared to recent presidents and administrations.

Unfortunately what exactly can we do about it? As individual citizens we can't do much. These political parties have taken control of the government and essentially have power. We would have to have a major unifying between citizens on an individual level to accomplish something and I don't think enough people truly care, nor do they have the willpower to do so. Of course doing so may hurt in the short-term, but benefit in the long term. But now I'm off topic...

 

[Doppel]

So no matter what, who here thinks half a dozen soldiers needed to exercise this warrant? The police state in the US is going full fucking retard.

A full SWAT team exercised this warrant, too: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/23/miller-dc-businessman-faces-two-years-jail-unregis/

At the rate we are going if you're suspected of pirating a movie you could have a dozen guys with ARs kicking down the door at 3:00am.

While I think there is more to this story, I also think we are becoming too top heavy as a government. The government is looking to become more in people's lives and obtaining more and more power.

This may have or may not have come from Obama. But I don't necessarily think we'll see this kind of thing disappear once he is out of office and a new administration takes over. Unless they are very radical compared to recent presidents and administrations.

Unfortunately what exactly can we do about it? As individual citizens we can't do much. These political parties have taken control of the government and essentially have power. We would have to have a major unifying between citizens on an individual level to accomplish something and I don't think enough people truly care, nor do they have the willpower to do so. Of course doing so may hurt in the short-term, but benefit in the long term. But now I'm off topic...

I think it is inevitable and there is nothing that can be done until, at some possible future point, the USA collapses from within like the Soviet Union did. Governments do not voluntarily lose large amounts of weight, and with about 1/3rd of the country now on means-based government handouts, you can't expect them to vote shrinkage.

 

[Matt1970]

Because the story is from her perspective and no one ever volunteers information that might make them look bad. I think I'll wait this one out to have a reaction. At worst this sounds like it might be due to the actions of a vindictive former air marshall that the documents were taken.

It should be noted that even if a search warrant doesn't mention something specifically, if it is illegal then it can be confiscated too. Like if a warrant says they're looking for a suspected murder weapon and don't find it but find a pile of cocaine they aren't required to ignore it.

Well that would fall under the plain view doctrin. Anything within the view of an officer when he is at a place he has the legal right to be at can be siezed as evidence. I would want to see that search warrant. I read one once that was very specific about what the officers were allowed to look for.

 

[Matt1970]

So no matter what, who here thinks half a dozen soldiers needed to exercise this warrant? The police state in the US is going full fucking retard.

They were going after suspected illegal guns. SWAT doesn't know one way or the other this person's history.

 

[werepossum]

So no matter what, who here thinks half a dozen soldiers needed to exercise this warrant? The police state in the US is going full fucking retard.

A full SWAT team exercised this warrant, too: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/23/miller-dc-businessman-faces-two-years-jail-unregis/

At the rate we are going if you're suspected of pirating a movie you could have a dozen guys with ARs kicking down the door at 3:00am.I think it is inevitable and there is nothing that can be done until, at some possible future point, the USA collapses from within like the Soviet Union did. Governments do not voluntarily lose large amounts of weight, and with about 1/3rd of the country now on means-based government handouts, you can't expect them to vote shrinkage.

Obama pledged during the 2008 campaign to build a civilian police force "every bit as big, every bit as well-funded" as the military. He has now built his civilian police force and is using it aggressively to protect government's interests, whether that means running guns to drug cartels or raiding reporters who go off the reservation. If you are not in government - or even just not in the right flavor of government - then you are his enemy.

 

[boomerang]

Obama pledged during the 2008 campaign to build a civilian police force "every bit as big, every bit as well-funded" as the military. He has now built his civilian police force and is using it aggressively to protect government's interests, whether that means running guns to drug cartels or raiding reporters who go off the reservation. If you are not in government - or even just not in the right flavor of government - then you are his enemy.

And here's the video of him saying it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

I didn't vote for this shit - either time. We're being fundamentally transformed. If you like this plan you can keep it. Keep the Senate under Dem control and change control of the House. Then sit back and watch what Dear Leader can accomplish in the remaining three years of term two.

I pity you poor fuckers that are registered Republicans. The raid will come in the middle of the night.

 

[boomerang]

I think it is inevitable and there is nothing that can be done until, at some possible future point, the USA collapses from within like the Soviet Union did. Governments do not voluntarily lose large amounts of weight, and with about 1/3rd of the country now on means-based government handouts, you can't expect them to vote shrinkage.

Census Bureau: Means-Tested Gov't Benefit Recipients Outnumber Full-Time Year-Round Workers

There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week. Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers.

I said this several months back. We've crossed over into territory that is virtually impossible to come back from. Pass immigration reform and it's a certainty.

So many of us knew this was coming. We were berated and dismissed. Just researching Obama's background foretold our future. Pair his presidency with a patient 100 year old progressive movement and everything just fell into place. The saddest part is all the brainwashed young people that really and truly think that socialism is the answer. It sounds great but it never, ever works. It won't work now either. The marching of the Fundamental Transformation boots can be heard off in the distance and they're coming your way. Get lean, get liquid and be ready to get mobile.

 

[werepossum]

Census Bureau: Means-Tested Gov't Benefit Recipients Outnumber Full-Time Year-Round Workers



I said this several months back. We've crossed over into territory that is virtually impossible to come back from. Pass immigration reform and it's a certainty.

So many of us knew this was coming. We were berated and dismissed. Just researching Obama's background foretold our future. Pair his presidency with a patient 100 year old progressive movement and everything just fell into place. The saddest part is all the brainwashed young people that really and truly think that socialism is the answer. It sounds great but it never, ever works. It won't work now either. The marching of the Fundamental Transformation boots can be heard off in the distance and they're coming your way. Get lean, get liquid and be ready to get mobile.

I suspect you are correct. And yes, I need to change my registration - although being in Tennessee I probably have some time. My state is so red it's practically on fire.

 

[Thebobo]

And here's the video of him saying it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

I didn't vote for this shit - either time. We're being fundamentally transformed. If you like this plan you can keep it. Keep the Senate under Dem control and change control of the House. Then sit back and watch what Dear Leader can accomplish in the remaining three years of term two.

I pity you poor fuckers that are registered Republicans. The raid will come in the middle of the night.

Must suck to live in fear all the time

 

[Doppel]

They were going after suspected illegal guns. SWAT doesn't know one way or the other this person's history.

SWAT is a machine gun used to hunt squirrels. Whoever sends them on these pissant missions should be the one held accountable.

Obama pledged during the 2008 campaign to build a civilian police force "every bit as big, every bit as well-funded" as the military.

I guess that's a promise he is indeed working toward.

 

[fskimospy]

Obama pledged during the 2008 campaign to build a civilian police force "every bit as big, every bit as well-funded" as the military. He has now built his civilian police force and is using it aggressively to protect government's interests, whether that means running guns to drug cartels or raiding reporters who go off the reservation. If you are not in government - or even just not in the right flavor of government - then you are his enemy.

Yeah why don't you watch the passage in context instead of a selectively edited video?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?eurl=htt...eurl=http://volokh.com/posts/1216451854.shtml

He was quite clearly talking about the state department and the peace corps yet somehow you took a very peaceful message and twisted it into some bizarre police state nonsense. You lunatics will seriously believe anything.

FYI start watching at about the 16 min mark

 

[boomerang]

Must suck to live in fear all the time

If you think I do you are either sadly mistaken or ignorant enough to say that because it meets your agenda. I suspect the latter.

 

[fskimospy]

Factcheck.org also debunked this ridiculous conspiracy theory:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/obamas-national-security-force/

I would like to think that this will make people question whatever source they heard this conspiracy theory from, but my guess is that they will ignore contrary evidence and go right on believing it.

 

[werepossum]

Yeah why don't you watch the passage in context instead of a selectively edited video?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?eurl=htt...eurl=http://volokh.com/posts/1216451854.shtml

He was quite clearly talking about the state department and the peace corps yet somehow you took a very peaceful message and twisted it into some bizarre police state nonsense. You lunatics will seriously believe anything.

FYI start watching at about the 16 min mark

You've convinced me! But, um, why is the Peace Corp always dressing up in SWAT gear and raiding ordinary people's homes as though they were Usama bin Ladin? Wait, I didn't mean to question the Messiah! I'll be good!

 

[fskimospy]

You've convinced me! But, um, why is the Peace Corp always dressing up in SWAT gear and raiding ordinary people's homes as though they were Usama bin Ladin? Wait, I didn't mean to question the Messiah! I'll be good!

Gee, not like I didn't call that one.

 

[First]

lol P&N conservatives.

 

[werepossum]

Gee, not like I didn't call that one.

Well, of course you did. Don't you always? Clearly the Messiah was speaking of the Peace Corps as "a civilian national security force" that's "just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the US military. This is why under Obama the State Department and the Peace Corps are now trillion-dollar departments keeping us safe and our tax dollars are spent on air fresheners and flower arrangements, not bullets and automatic weapons designed for use on citizens. Why, there's not one of us who deep down inside doesn't think of the Peace Corp as "a civilian national security force" keeping us safe if we're honest. And when every federal agency from the Department of Agriculture to the Department of Transportation is sending SWAT teams into our homes, we should just repeat that mantra and maybe think of canning apricots. Oh, they may look like jack-booted thugs in body army with automatic weapons if you lack sufficient proggie propagandizing, but WE know they are really harmless hippies just coming by to dig a well in your basement and sing Joan Baez songs. Rudder, please edit your OP to replace Department of Homeland Security and the Maryland State Police with the State Department and the fucking Peace Corps, now that we've been enlightened.

Every issue, every thread, every time.

 

[fskimospy]

Lol. Like I said, that wasn't hard to call at all.

Seriously, seek help.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Well, of course you did. Don't you always? Clearly the Messiah was speaking of the Peace Corps as "a civilian national security force" that's "just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the US military. This is why under Obama the State Department and the Peace Corps are now trillion-dollar departments keeping us safe and our tax dollars are spent on air fresheners and flower arrangements, not bullets and automatic weapons designed for use on citizens. Why, there's not one of us who deep down inside doesn't think of the Peace Corp as "a civilian national security force" keeping us safe if we're honest. And when every federal agency from the Department of Agriculture to the Department of Transportation is sending SWAT teams into our homes, we should just repeat that mantra and maybe think of canning apricots. Oh, they may look like jack-booted thugs in body army with automatic weapons if you lack sufficient proggie propagandizing, but WE know they are really harmless hippies just coming by to dig a well in your basement and sing Joan Baez songs. Rudder, please edit your OP to replace Department of Homeland Security and the Maryland State Police with the State Department and the fucking Peace Corps, now that we've been enlightened.

Every issue, every thread, every time.

I have always liked you as a poster, so I find it disappointing when you post this brand of ignorant, one-note anti-Obama paranoia. http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/obamas-national-security-force/

As for the topic of this thread, if the story is true as reported (and I would find that somewhat surprising), it is an abuse by the relevant authorities, and one I would neither defend nor condone. I don't know that it's warranted to blame this on the President, but if it's true as reported and he did coordinate it, I would be greatly offended by that.

 

[werepossum]

I have always liked you as a poster, so I find it disappointing when you post this brand of ignorant, one-note anti-Obama paranoia. http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/obamas-national-security-force/

As for the topic of this thread, if the story is true as reported (and I would find that somewhat surprising), it is an abuse by the relevant authorities, and one I would neither defend nor condone. I don't know that it's warranted to blame this on the President, but if it's true as reported and he did coordinate it, I would be greatly offended by that.

I didn't believe this either - at first. However, five years into his Presidency exactly what he called for has sprung into existence. I haven't heard a peep from the Peace Corps, the Foreign Service, or the USA Freedom Corps over the past five years - have you? Have you seen any great increases in their budgets over the Bush years?

What I HAVE seen is every federal agency militarizing, adopting military weaponry, body armor and tactics - and using them on the flimsiest of pretenses. Not against terrorists, even the domestic terrorists (you know, veterans and Second Amendment supporters) against which the Obama administration warned us, but against anyone who is not in line with their policies. Write articles they don't want written? If you're lucky you'll merely have your phones tapped and Internet usage monitored, but if you have some huge threat to society, such as a spouse with a twenty-seven year old resisting arrest conviction, expect the very thing that FactCheck laughed at - a force that WILL kick down your door in the middle of the night. And they'll take whatever they want, even if you're a member of the press.