WOW: PvE or PvP server?

[crystal]

Originally posted by: torpid
So the solution is, go PvE until you max, then pay the $ to transfer to PvP??

Can't do that because the "manly men" on pvp will cried about such an unfair advantage. 😀

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: torpid
So the solution is, go PvE until you max, then pay the $ to transfer to PvP??

That's a little disingenuous IMO. Part of the joy of playing on a pvp server is putting up with all the sh!t until you're good enough to dish it out yourself. If you want to level on a cuddly crybaby care bear server, then stay there for fsck's sake. Otherwise, get yourself an extra big box of tissue, some self help tapes to listen to whenever your feelings get hurt, and just stfu and play. You gotta earn your big boy pants if you want to play on the grown up server.

 

[Tremulant]

1) You can't transfer from PvE to PvP. (unless Blizzard recently changed their policy)
2) IMO, the only benefit of leveling on a PvP server is that you'll end up being more aware of your surroundings.

 

[ahurtt]

I have played on PvP (Burning Legion) since day 1 and I have many times considered switching to PvE but so far have not. Not because I can't take a good ass kicking but mainly because of my time. Especially in the last year. I am a family guy with an 11 month-old daughter and a wife. Now getting things done in Wow can be time consuming enough due to general asshattery and inconsiderate boobs even within your own faction. But add in time spent or lost due to ganking and camping. . .it is just frustrating at times. WoW time is like football game time. Even moreso on a PvP server. Stuff that should take like 15 minutes ends up taking 45min to an hour on a routine basis and random unprovoked idiotic pvp has a lot to do with this. I can't help but feel a lot of this annoyance would be alleviated by switching to a PvE server. I can't stand when I just want to get in an instance and get it done but some asshat at the summoning stone, in my group or some other group, wants to fvck with anybody with a red name tag. But then I also like being on the "giving" end of that grief sometimes too. Revenge can be oh so sweet on a PvP server. So I'm kinda torn myself.

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: torpid
So the solution is, go PvE until you max, then pay the $ to transfer to PvP??

That's a little disingenuous IMO. Part of the joy of playing on a pvp server is putting up with all the sh!t until you're good enough to dish it out yourself. If you want to level on a cuddly crybaby care bear server, then stay there for fsck's sake. Otherwise, get yourself an extra big box of tissue, some self help tapes to listen to whenever your feelings get hurt, and just stfu and play. You gotta earn your big boy pants if you want to play on the grown up server.

That's a really ignorant statement on so many levels. A lot people on pvp servers power level the day it opens, then go back and gank like crazy. For people who don't play all the time, it can take an insane amount of time to level and be on equal playing grounds. The funniest thing is, all the "big boys" on these servers are usually stupid little kids as others have pointed out. I play PVE because of my time constraints, I don't have time to deal with stupid kids ganking me, I'll never level up. This is what people like you can't seem to understand, is that most people play pve due to other reasons than "their feelings get hurt".

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: VashHT

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: torpid
So the solution is, go PvE until you max, then pay the $ to transfer to PvP??

That's a little disingenuous IMO. Part of the joy of playing on a pvp server is putting up with all the sh!t until you're good enough to dish it out yourself. If you want to level on a cuddly crybaby care bear server, then stay there for fsck's sake. Otherwise, get yourself an extra big box of tissue, some self help tapes to listen to whenever your feelings get hurt, and just stfu and play. You gotta earn your big boy pants if you want to play on the grown up server.

That's a really ignorant statement on so many levels. A lot people on pvp servers power level the day it opens, then go back and gank like crazy. For people who don't play all the time, it can take an insane amount of time to level and be on equal playing grounds. The funniest thing is, all the "big boys" on these servers are usually stupid little kids as others have pointed out. I play PVE because of my time constraints, I don't have time to deal with stupid kids ganking me, I'll never level up. This is what people like you can't seem to understand, is that most people play pve due to other reasons than "their feelings get hurt".

/agree. It takes a really immature attitude to take pleasure out of ganking somebody who you know has no possible chance of turning the tables on you or giving you a fair fight. Yet sadly, this is almost exclusively what happens. I can't count the number of alliance players who have happened by me in the world, stopped momentarily to check me out, and upon seeing they were evenly matched decided to move along. Only to show up back again 5 minutes later with a buddy or two and proceed to kill me repeatedly. I have come to the conclusion that WoW PvP servers are full of mostly passive-aggressive angry kids who's mommy and daddy didn't hug them enough when they were babies. It's all about e-peens. Probably all the kids who get their ass kicked IRL on a daily basis at school. The real meaning of "manhood" is lost on them. It is not manly to gank greys. It is cowardly and weak.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: VashHT

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: torpid
So the solution is, go PvE until you max, then pay the $ to transfer to PvP??

That's a little disingenuous IMO. Part of the joy of playing on a pvp server is putting up with all the sh!t until you're good enough to dish it out yourself. If you want to level on a cuddly crybaby care bear server, then stay there for fsck's sake. Otherwise, get yourself an extra big box of tissue, some self help tapes to listen to whenever your feelings get hurt, and just stfu and play. You gotta earn your big boy pants if you want to play on the grown up server.

That's a really ignorant statement on so many levels. A lot people on pvp servers power level the day it opens, then go back and gank like crazy. For people who don't play all the time, it can take an insane amount of time to level and be on equal playing grounds. The funniest thing is, all the "big boys" on these servers are usually stupid little kids as others have pointed out. I play PVE because of my time constraints, I don't have time to deal with stupid kids ganking me, I'll never level up. This is what people like you can't seem to understand, is that most people play pve due to other reasons than "their feelings get hurt".

But then you'll notice, the ones that usually do the ganking are without any skills. Once you catch up to them level wise, payback is sweet. There are a few that ganked me or guild members when we're leveling, only to be ganked, camped, until they log. We don't see them doing much ganking anymore.

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: VashHT

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: torpid
So the solution is, go PvE until you max, then pay the $ to transfer to PvP??

That's a little disingenuous IMO. Part of the joy of playing on a pvp server is putting up with all the sh!t until you're good enough to dish it out yourself. If you want to level on a cuddly crybaby care bear server, then stay there for fsck's sake. Otherwise, get yourself an extra big box of tissue, some self help tapes to listen to whenever your feelings get hurt, and just stfu and play. You gotta earn your big boy pants if you want to play on the grown up server.

That's a really ignorant statement on so many levels. A lot people on pvp servers power level the day it opens, then go back and gank like crazy. For people who don't play all the time, it can take an insane amount of time to level and be on equal playing grounds. The funniest thing is, all the "big boys" on these servers are usually stupid little kids as others have pointed out. I play PVE because of my time constraints, I don't have time to deal with stupid kids ganking me, I'll never level up. This is what people like you can't seem to understand, is that most people play pve due to other reasons than "their feelings get hurt".

But then you'll notice, the ones that usually do the ganking are without any skills. Once you catch up to them level wise, payback is sweet. There are a few that ganked me or guild members when we're leveling, only to be ganked, camped, until they log. We don't see them doing much ganking anymore.

The problem is some people don't have the time to level while being ganked to get to equal playing grounds. Leveling on a full PVP server is very time consuming, you spend a lot of time in contested areas trying to avoid the other side, or running back to your body. I have had many times where equal or near level people have killed me, and it is very fun finding them and repaying them the favor, but in the end it just takes more time to level.

It just annoys me when people claim that pve servers are for "little kids", or that pvp servers are for "real men". Statements like that make no sense, as if masculinity could really be determined by WoW anyway.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: VashHT
The thing is, on a pvp server most people will only attack you if they have an advantage,

That's for sure. I play on PvE because if I want to go PvP, I'll play a FPS online or at LAN parties.

Originally posted by: VashHT
For people who don't play all the time, it can take an insane amount of time to level and be on equal playing grounds.

Heh, I've been playing for around 10 months now, and my highest character is only level 38 or so (lowest out of three is around level 10). That should be telling on how much I play it.

 

[gizbug]

Area 52
PvE

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: gizbug
Area 52
PvE

Ha like 1/2 of bloodhoof xfered there when there were free xferes, Bloodhoofs pop went from full to medium in about 2 days

its so great

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: torpid
So the solution is, go PvE until you max, then pay the $ to transfer to PvP??

Blizzard doesn't allow transfers from PvE to PVP, otherwise a lot of people would probably do this 😛

 

[Aikouka]

Yep, no PVE to PVP, hence why I said I transferred off PVP and could never go back (even after the three month cooldown). The actual rule is no server with normal ruleset to a server with a PVP ruleset which includes RP and RP-PVP servers.

I really like some of the responses in here and I think they're fairly akin to my own ideas. Personally, I've never understood the concept of killing someone who can't fight back or the fight isn't fair. Think of me as the Rubicante of World of Warcraft (for those without Final Fantasy knowledge, he's the Fiend of Fire from Final Fantasy IV who heals you before you fight him to make it a fair fight). I don't like fighting anyone unfairly, even someone my own level. I enjoy a good fight as nothing in WoW got my heart beating faster than a sweet fight filled with close calls and general ass-kickery. But this isn't true for a 70 vs 30 fight (for example).... There is no sense of honor in that fight and the only purpose can be that you're trying to make that person's time miserable.

Now, I have killed lower level players on many occasions, but my reason has always been revenge against a player that kills players that are low level to him/her or one that kills my own lower level character. Sorry, but attacking my low level "declares war" on all of my characters and I will make you pay for it. But other than that, I've helped the opposing faction on many different occasions. Like one time, a Draenei Shaman killed an Undead Warlock and I helped said warlock on my Night Elf Rogue kill the elite near there... and that was after denying my help to the Shaman that killed him. I've heard people say, "it's only a game!" and that you shouldn't worry about being killed... well, then why should I be chastised for my desire to help people out regardless of who they are... it's just a game?

But to go back to having fun fighting, the only unfortunate thing is, sometimes it's hard to find these fights on a PVE server as you simply can't fight people out in the world and I think anyone who's played a BG before will agree that your chances of getting a one-on-one fight are fairly slim. I've had them before, but they're far and few in between.

But I must digress, I don't think you need to play on a PVP server to know how to PVP. Getting one-shotted on alts certainly didn't improve my PVP with them, it only increased my anger toward said player. I learned to PVP by PVP'ing in situations of equal footing. I learned how to play every class by watching them fight others or fight myself. This is the reason why I took it upon myself to learn how to play every class to refine my skills in every single to class. You wouldn't believe the amount of players that literally know nothing about another class other than "they're imba" or "they're weaksauce lolz." I can look at a character play and usually guess their talent specification just by watching them fight for about 10 seconds. Talent specifications then help decide whether or not a fight is worth uptaking... I can guess my chances of survival by watching how they react and seeing if they generally know how to PVP. Of course it's not all perfect because the amount of data I have available to make my decisions is limited by what I can see and how much time I have. Although, I think sometimes I think too good of players and tend to think of them as better than they are with this method. Such as one time when I wanted to kill a 48-ish Paladin, 70 Priest and 66 Warrior (without energy restoration items). Most of the scenarios I played out in my head had me losing, because there were perfect counters to every angle I could work with. Although, those counters would require them to react accordingly.

But knowing each class is a huge advantage and personally playing them and knowing the in's and out's helps you create the perfect counters. It's like how I beat a 60 rogue when my mage was only 52... I knew exactly what to do and I literally guessed his every move... mainly because my main is a rogue 😛. But all in all, PVP servers don't necessarily assist you with PVP ability unless it is a relatively fair fight. Although sometimes being at a disadvantage can generally be more beneficial for you skill-wise, your opponent is a variable that you usually have no control over (even as a rogue who can select their opponent... they don't always know how good their opponent is).

 

[Sunner]

I've stuck to PvP servers.
Frustrating sometimes, but some really good outdoor PvP on other times, all in all, the positives outweigh the negatives for me 🙂
I'm mostly a care bear though, I tend to not attack low lvl players or people fighting mobs, actually most of the time I don't attack at all.

The exception would be rogues and lamadins, I hate both of those classes, so I tend to gank them regardless of lvl now and then.
Coming out from SM with my lock after boosting a friend, seeing two paladins, and throwing Unstable Affliction on them was fun, anyone rolling such a lame class deserves to be ganked just for rolling it 😛

 

[Fingolfin269]

Only join a PvP server if you're starting on day one. Otherwise get ready for fun when you're in the middle of some of the smaller towns/outposts such as Freewind Post. And by 'fun' I mean continually getting ganked by bored 60-70s who didn't have to put up with the same thing because more than likely they started on day one.

I love PvP. I just hate WoW PvP when you're trying to level on an established server.

 

[torpid]

On PvP servers, you can't create an alt on the opposing faction and then talk garbage in general chat like you can on PvE right? That at least would be a pro of going on a PvP server.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: torpid
On PvP servers, you can't create an alt on the opposing faction and then talk garbage in general chat like you can on PvE right? That at least would be a pro of going on a PvP server.

You can only have characters on one faction on PvP servers.

 

[rh71]

PVE = very slow Battleground queues. I have characters on both PVP and PVE (with rl friends here) but I only play PVP because it seems more worth it to gear up your toon. For PVE, you're just gearing up... to gear up more. At least in PVP you get fast queue times where you can utilize what you've earned with raiding/PVP gear. This is also for anytime you feel like messing with someone outside of BGs.

I know the frustrations of being ganked by high levels, but it's not like it won't be worth it in the end. Usually you won't get camped after the gank and if they do, just go eat a sandwich and when you come back they'll be gone. Being ganked by 70s is no different than being ganked by 60s while you're 30... it happens to everyone but not that often. Well, that is unless you're in STV when you should be in Desolace instead. 😉

And I'm sure someone's said already... if you go from PVP --> PVE... you can't go back.

 

[torpid]

Just go eat a sandwich... that's the exact mentality that people who work 8 hours a day and have real life responsibilities aren't going to have. I don't want to sit down to play something only to discover I can't play it now because some student who spends 30 minutes a day actually studying or in class has nothing better to do. So yeah, I'd consider it a big deal if I paid $15/month to eat a sandwich and watch a night elf dance like michael jackson.

That said, even on PvE servers you sometimes have to eat a sandwich, because the flag takes time to wear off. The annoying thing about PvE is when you are actually trying to do something constructive in a group and one of the members has PvP flag on, then you all end up with it due to buffs or heals for hours.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: torpid
Just go eat a sandwich... that's the exact mentality that people who work 8 hours a day and have real life responsibilities aren't going to have. I don't want to sit down to play something only to discover I can't play it now because some student who spends 30 minutes a day actually studying or in class has nothing better to do. So yeah, I'd consider it a big deal if I paid $15/month to eat a sandwich and watch a night elf dance like michael jackson.

How many times have you actually been camped ? We're not talking about just getting ganked once and being flustered about that. Even getting ganked by multiple players in a session (but separately) is part of PVP. You have to be smart about it - don't mess with someone and cause trouble for yourself when you need to quest. Don't fight near the other faction's base areas. And pick a good time to quest in the area... like when there are allies nearby doing the same.

I work 8 hours a day and am 29 yo with real life responsibilities. I have 2 70s on PVP servers and only once in almost 2 years did I have to "go eat a sandwich". This includes playing in STV with both chars. Getting camped doesn't happen that often. On the same level, it's not carebear-so-you-don't-have-to-watch-your-back-at-all-times here. You have to pay to play if you know what I mean.

 

[Punter]

Just have two characters going. When one gets bogged down switch to the other and come back later.

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: torpid
Just go eat a sandwich... that's the exact mentality that people who work 8 hours a day and have real life responsibilities aren't going to have. I don't want to sit down to play something only to discover I can't play it now because some student who spends 30 minutes a day actually studying or in class has nothing better to do. So yeah, I'd consider it a big deal if I paid $15/month to eat a sandwich and watch a night elf dance like michael jackson.

How many times have you actually been camped ? We're not talking about just getting ganked once and being flustered about that. You have to be smart about it too - don't mess with someone and cause trouble for yourself. Don't fight near the other faction's base areas. And pick a good time to quest in the area... like when there are allies nearby doing the same.

I have 2 70s on PVP servers and only once in almost 2 years did I have to "go eat a sandwich". This includes playing in STV with both chars. Getting camped doesn't happen that often.

I think you miss his points. He doesn't have the time to "pick a good time to quests" like you said. When you have only about 30 min. to 1 hr of play time in a given day, being camped for 15 min. really cramps your styles.
Since you already played on pvp server for 2 years, you level up your characters while everyone leveling their. Not much ganking will happen. If OP tries to level on an establish PVP server now, I am sure he will face more ganking. It only take a fews time to leave a bad taste in your mouth.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: torpid
Just go eat a sandwich... that's the exact mentality that people who work 8 hours a day and have real life responsibilities aren't going to have. I don't want to sit down to play something only to discover I can't play it now because some student who spends 30 minutes a day actually studying or in class has nothing better to do. So yeah, I'd consider it a big deal if I paid $15/month to eat a sandwich and watch a night elf dance like michael jackson.

How many times have you actually been camped ? We're not talking about just getting ganked once and being flustered about that. You have to be smart about it too - don't mess with someone and cause trouble for yourself. Don't fight near the other faction's base areas. And pick a good time to quest in the area... like when there are allies nearby doing the same.

I have 2 70s on PVP servers and only once in almost 2 years did I have to "go eat a sandwich". This includes playing in STV with both chars. Getting camped doesn't happen that often.

I think you miss his points. He doesn't have the time to "pick a good time to quests" like you said. When you have only about 30 min. to 1 hr of play time in a given day, being camped for 15 min. really cramps your styles.
Since you already played on pvp server for 2 years, you level up your characters while everyone leveling their. Not much ganking will happen. If OP tries to level on an establish PVP server now, I am sure he will face more ganking. It only take a fews time to leave a bad taste in your mouth.

Actually, I'd expect there to be less ganking if anything.
It's not like most lvl 70's run around in STV just to gank lvl 30's, I'd guess most are looking for groups, grinding, questing, etc.
While leveling with everyone else though, there's gonna be lots and lots of people around in areas like STV.
When I leveled my alts, I could go through a whole zone and hardly see another player, simply because they're all busy with the max level content.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: torpid
Just go eat a sandwich... that's the exact mentality that people who work 8 hours a day and have real life responsibilities aren't going to have. I don't want to sit down to play something only to discover I can't play it now because some student who spends 30 minutes a day actually studying or in class has nothing better to do. So yeah, I'd consider it a big deal if I paid $15/month to eat a sandwich and watch a night elf dance like michael jackson.

How many times have you actually been camped ? We're not talking about just getting ganked once and being flustered about that. You have to be smart about it too - don't mess with someone and cause trouble for yourself. Don't fight near the other faction's base areas. And pick a good time to quest in the area... like when there are allies nearby doing the same.

I have 2 70s on PVP servers and only once in almost 2 years did I have to "go eat a sandwich". This includes playing in STV with both chars. Getting camped doesn't happen that often.

I think you miss his points. He doesn't have the time to "pick a good time to quests" like you said. When you have only about 30 min. to 1 hr of play time in a given day, being camped for 15 min. really cramps your styles.
Since you already played on pvp server for 2 years, you level up your characters while everyone leveling their. Not much ganking will happen. If OP tries to level on an establish PVP server now, I am sure he will face more ganking. It only take a fews time to leave a bad taste in your mouth.

Actually, I'd expect there to be less ganking if anything.
It's not like most lvl 70's run around in STV just to gank lvl 30's, I'd guess most are looking for groups, grinding, questing, etc.
While leveling with everyone else though, there's gonna be lots and lots of people around in areas like STV.
When I leveled my alts, I could go through a whole zone and hardly see another player, simply because they're all busy with the max level content.

I only started my 2nd level 70 when my first was already 60. So I went through leveling while everyone was maxed at 60 already. This was when I experienced the 1-time camp-job, near tarren mill. Overall, the ganking wasn't bad. The camping was practically nonexistent.

As to the point of playing for 30 minutes a day and having someone mess with you... Sorry, it's a PVP server. If you can't afford to put more than 30 minutes a day with it, you shouldn't be on a PVP server where people will come and gank you and give you a 3-minute corpse walk. So he's right about his gripes if that's the case. If he's a 2-hour a day player like many of my casual guildies who have 8-hour-a-day jobs, getting ganked a couple times a night on a PVP server is hardly a problem. It's funny I got my sandwich on a Saturday afternoon when it was time for lunch anyway. I basically laughed at the guy wasting his time while I enjoyed my sandwich. Weekends are a great time to play - pass the word on.

Again, I ask - how often does actual camping happen ? Nobody on guildchat has ever complained about it here. You know, we even help the horde with elite quests sometimes. It's just a couple bad seeds here and there you've seen(?) and people are making PVP servers out to be gankfests galore.

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: torpid
Just go eat a sandwich... that's the exact mentality that people who work 8 hours a day and have real life responsibilities aren't going to have. I don't want to sit down to play something only to discover I can't play it now because some student who spends 30 minutes a day actually studying or in class has nothing better to do. So yeah, I'd consider it a big deal if I paid $15/month to eat a sandwich and watch a night elf dance like michael jackson.

How many times have you actually been camped ? We're not talking about just getting ganked once and being flustered about that. You have to be smart about it too - don't mess with someone and cause trouble for yourself. Don't fight near the other faction's base areas. And pick a good time to quest in the area... like when there are allies nearby doing the same.

I have 2 70s on PVP servers and only once in almost 2 years did I have to "go eat a sandwich". This includes playing in STV with both chars. Getting camped doesn't happen that often.

I think you miss his points. He doesn't have the time to "pick a good time to quests" like you said. When you have only about 30 min. to 1 hr of play time in a given day, being camped for 15 min. really cramps your styles.
Since you already played on pvp server for 2 years, you level up your characters while everyone leveling their. Not much ganking will happen. If OP tries to level on an establish PVP server now, I am sure he will face more ganking. It only take a fews time to leave a bad taste in your mouth.

Actually, I'd expect there to be less ganking if anything.
It's not like most lvl 70's run around in STV just to gank lvl 30's, I'd guess most are looking for groups, grinding, questing, etc.
While leveling with everyone else though, there's gonna be lots and lots of people around in areas like STV.
When I leveled my alts, I could go through a whole zone and hardly see another player, simply because they're all busy with the max level content.

I only started my 2nd level 70 when my first was already 60. So I went through leveling while everyone was maxed at 60 already. This was when I experienced the 1-time camp-job, near tarren mill. Overall, the ganking wasn't bad. The camping was practically nonexistent.

As to the point of playing for 30 minutes a day and having someone mess with you... Sorry, it's a PVP server. If you can't afford to put more than 30 minutes a day with it, you shouldn't be on a PVP server where people will come and gank you and give you a 3-minute corpse walk. So he's right about his gripes if that's the case. If he's a 2-hour a day player like many of my casual guildies who have 8-hour-a-day jobs, getting ganked a couple times a night on a PVP server is hardly a problem. It's funny I got my sandwich on a Saturday afternoon when it was time for lunch anyway. I basically laughed at the guy wasting his time while I enjoyed my sandwich. Weekends are a great time to play - pass the word on.

Again, I ask - how often does actual camping happen ? Nobody on guildchat has ever complained about it here. You know, we even help the horde with elite quests sometimes. It's just a couple bad seeds here and there you've seen(?) and people are making PVP servers out to be gankfests galore.

Asks Aikouka that. Since he is willing to spend $250 to transfer his 10 characters from pvp -> pve. Must happen to him more than a few times for him to get that fustrated. BTW, we all generalize and throw in a few specific cases here and there. Personal experiences will differ from servers to servers.