Wow.... My daughter may becoming Islamic

[agent00f]

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/

Click on

Injustice

Intolerance

Cruelty and Violence

Absurdities

Women

Science and History

Contradictions

Interpretations

Family Values

Sex

Language

Homosexuality

Prophecy

You're really stupid. The secularized Muslims don't even contest it. They just say it's akin to a living document.

You literally linked to a site whose primary purpose is list all the dumb shit in the bible, for whom the koran and book of mormon is just a side project. Conservatives are so goddamn stupid they literally set out to prove everything smart people say about them.

 

[Vic]

Yaknow, these fascist assholes who believe that government should be able to control the thoughts and beliefs inside our heads.. they're the greatest threat to peace and freedom on the entire planet.

 

[agent00f]

It is the scriptures.

There are several inherent properties of the Quran which makes it more likely that adherents will be violent than Christian texts. The Quran also has properties which encourage more fanaticism and less atheism. However, despite all of this, it is true that in Muslim lands a more or less benevolent understanding of the tradition developed because of secular circumstances where they had some stability and so forth. So normatively, as Muslim culture actually is, much of it is peaceful, but inherently the Quran does lend itself to more extremism.

A few properties:

1. The Quran is the living embodiment of God. The Bible in contrast is a translated text that filtered down through the centuries. The filtered and translated aspect of the Bible is one wedge in which atheism develops. There isn't really any room for such skepticism in the Quran.

2. The Quran has more commands than the Bible. The Quran will say like, "kill him who blasphemes" while the Bible will recite the one time that the Israelite tribes killed their enemies as a recalling of past history.

3. Christianity started as a dissenting movement against the Roman empire. The Quran in contrast is the founding document of the Islamic empire. So Christianity has an emphasis on the weak and humble because that is how it started. The Quran you see statescraft and alpha behavior.

This must be why christians are responsible for far more wars & genocide & so on. Goddamn these people are so hella dumb, violent, and completely degenerate.

 

[Maxima1]

You literally linked to a site whose primary purpose is list all the dumb shit in the bible, for whom the koran and book of mormon is just a side project. Conservatives are so goddamn stupid they literally set out to prove everything smart people say about them.

I'm not even close to being a conservative, you dolt. I'm an atheist, support abortion, support gay marriage, support reducing income inequality, support universal health care, etc. Go compare the two side by side with the mirror links. If you come to the conclusion they are the same, you're a complete moron! You're a special kind of stupid. You're like those idiots that say both political parties are the same.

 

[qliveur]

Honestly, I don't know how the cognitive dissonance doesn't drive them insane.

It's like they think they can be the psychological equivalent of Schrodinger's cat without being completely full of shit.

 

[Maxima1]

Honestly, I don't know how the cognitive dissonance doesn't drive them insane.

It's like they think they can be the psychological equivalent of Schrodinger's cat without being completely full of shit.

Ain't that the truth! These same people will **** about "microagressions" and other relatively innocuous things in society, but won't dare criticize someone that follows a book that is contrary to all the things they claim they are for.

 

[agent00f]

I'm not even close to being a conservative, you dolt. I'm an atheist, support abortion, support gay marriage, support reducing income inequality, support universal health care, etc. Go compare the two side by side with the mirror links. If you come to the conclusion they are the same, you're a complete moron! You're a special kind of stupid. You're like those idiots that say both political parties are the same.

It's a simple matter of fact that your white nationalist views (remember those arguments that browns are dumb or whatever?) are identical to the most backwards segment of society, congrats; not just for this but the comical bragging about never understand the academic (ie smart people) concepts like microaggression. To those smarter people it's trivially evident both works reflect the typical backwardness of their time, which is rather different than one modern political party and another which also reflects said time. Seems pretty easy to figure out, but we're dealing the with bottom of the barrel brains here.

 

[Maxima1]

It's a simple matter of fact that your white nationalist views (remember those arguments that browns are dumb or whatever?) are identical to the most backwards segment of society, congrats; not just for this but the comical bragging about never understand the academic (ie smart people) concepts like microaggression. To those smarter people it's trivially evident both works reflect the typical backwardness of their time, which is rather different than one modern political party and another which also reflects said time. Seems pretty easy to figure out, but we're dealing the with bottom of the barrel brains here.

Man, you are dense. No one disputes there is an black-white IQ difference. The APA, HR textbooks, etc. will say no one knows what percent is environment, culture or genetics.

White nationalist, my ***, btw. Asians score higher than whites, and I wasn't against immigration of other races. I said it would be in our interest to do skill based immigration (which is what Canada does!) So please, give me a break!

 

[agent00f]

Man, you are dense. No one disputes there is an black-white IQ difference. The APA, HR textbooks, etc. will say no one knows what percent is environment, culture or genetics.

The answer seems pretty obvious when your ancestors less exposed to more modern education had measurably lower iqs. In fact the same could be said of you.

 

[Maxima1]

The answer seems pretty obvious when your ancestors less exposed to more modern education had measurably lower iqs. In fact the same could be said of you.

The Flynn effect doesn't dispute it. The gap today is still roughly the same decades back when blacks were discriminated against much more, which suggests that it isn't just environment. Even if it was just environmental, it would still be correct to say their IQs are lower at the present.

 

[Vic]

Honestly, I don't know how the cognitive dissonance doesn't drive them insane.

It's like they think they can be the psychological equivalent of Schrodinger's cat without being completely full of shit.

Uh... it's an absurd straw man. That's why doesn't drive anyone insane.

 

[Maxima1]

BTW, according to your logic, Canada is a racist country because of their skill-based immigration policy.

 

[agent00f]

The Flynn effect doesn't dispute it. The gap today is still roughly the same decades back when blacks were discriminated against much more, which suggests that it isn't just environment. Even if it was just environmental, it would still be correct to say their IQs are lower at the present.

Of course the flynn effect whereby iq inevitably rises in developing countries disputes the idea that blacks in poor economic circumstances are inherently dumb, and also questions the basic assumption that iq actually measures q which this is all predicated on. In fact it really says something about the state of discrimination in your beloved white nationalist country.

 

[Sonikku]

I tolerate Muslims and I can appreciate it for what it is.

But it is still the worst religion in the world.

 

[qliveur]

Uh... it's an absurd straw man. That's why doesn't drive anyone insane.

Please elaborate on how it's "an absurd strawman."

Simply labeling it as such does not make it so.

 

[desura]

Naive.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-victims-htmlstory.html

 

[Maxima1]

Of course the flynn effect whereby iq inevitably rises in developing countries disputes the idea that blacks in poor economic circumstances are inherently dumb, and also questions the basic assumption that iq actually measures q which this is all predicated on. In fact it really says something about the state of discrimination in your beloved white nationalist country.

I just told you the IQ gap is still large despite blacks being much less discriminated now than decades ago. You would also have to explain why some countries have a superior IQ average despite having less per capita income. I don't even know why you're arguing with me. If you agree there is a gap, then what's there to argue? I never claimed to know what percent is environmental, cultural, and genetic.

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/d...between-white-and-black-students-still-gaping

Achievement Gap Between White and Black Students Still Gaping
After 50 years, the achievement gap between white and black students has barely narrowed.

 

[Vic]

Please elaborate on how it's "an absurd strawman."

Simply labeling it as such does not make it so.

Respecting another's right to freedom of religion does not require that you have to approve of their religious beliefs.
There's no contradiction here. It's no different than respecting another's right to free speech while disagreeing with what they say.
The straw man in that picture is pretty obvious, now isn't it?

 

[agent00f]

Please elaborate on how it's "an absurd strawman."

Simply labeling it as such does not make it so.

Seems pretty simple when your sort are considered white-isis, and the smart white folks aren't; you know the ones with the college degrees who increasingly don't vote conservative.

I just told you the IQ gap is still large despite blacks being much less discriminated now than decades ago. You would also have to explain why some countries have a superior IQ average despite having less per capita income. I don't even know why you're arguing with me. If you agree there is a gap, then what's there to argue? I never claimed to know what percent is environmental, cultural, and genetic.

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/d...between-white-and-black-students-still-gaping

Achievement Gap Between White and Black Students Still Gaping
After 50 years, the achievement gap between white and black students has barely narrowed.

I would say that racists wondering why their lower status minorities don't achieve is indicative of low iq.

 

[qliveur]

Respecting another's right to freedom of religion does not require that you have to approve of their religious beliefs.
There's no contradiction here. It's no different than respecting another's right to free speech while disagreeing with what they say.
The straw man in that picture is pretty obvious, now isn't it?

Only to you.

Freedom of religion stops where violation of other people's rights begins, in this case women and homosexuals.

 

[qliveur]

Seems pretty simple when your sort are considered white-isis, and the smart white folks aren't; you know the ones with the college degrees who increasingly don't vote conservative.

"My sort?"

You mean critical thinkers?

 

[Maxima1]

I would say that racists wondering why their lower status minorities don't achieve is indicative of low iq.

The problem is people generally have agendas. I think I'm more independent than you who seems to just toe the party line.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/science/14skull.html

Scientists Measure the Accuracy of a Racism Claim

"In a 1981 book, “The Mismeasure of Man,” the paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould asserted that Morton, believing that brain size was a measure of intelligence, had subconsciously manipulated the brain volumes of European, Asian and African skulls to favor his bias that Europeans had larger brains and Africans smaller ones.

But now physical anthropologists at the University of Pennsylvania, which owns Morton’s collection, have remeasured the skulls, and in an article that does little to burnish Dr. Gould’s reputation as a scholar, they conclude that almost every detail of his analysis is wrong.[...]

“I just didn’t trust Gould,” he said. “I had the feeling that his ideological stance was supreme. When the 1996 version of ‘The Mismeasure of Man’ came and he never even bothered to mention Michael’s study, I just felt he was a charlatan.”

 

[Vic]

Only to you.

Freedom of religion stops where violation of other people's rights begins, in this case women and homosexuals.

How do beliefs violate another person's rights?

 

[qliveur]

How do beliefs violate another person's rights?

The way Muslims treat women and homosexuals while acting on their beliefs is very much in violation of their rights.

It could even be said with some degree of accuracy that forcibly instilled fallacious beliefs are a violation of the believer's rights.

 

[Maxima1]

Respecting another's right to freedom of religion does not require that you have to approve of their religious beliefs.

How do beliefs violate another person's rights?

I guess unfair stereotypes people hold don't matter then and religious beliefs won't create McVeighs and bin Ladens, right?

There's no contradiction here. It's no different than respecting another's right to free speech while disagreeing with what they say.
The straw man in that picture is pretty obvious, now isn't it?

That's why there's no controversy over what groups should be police officers, etc., right?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29432935/...pholds-firing-trooper-klan-ties/#.WMiXWk_ayUk