Wow check out this email exchange between two lawyers

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Zombie
Boston Globe article about the email exchange

the girl describes herself as a ''trust fund baby," in the article somewhere...

i had figured she was filthy rotten spoiled. she says that the job wouldn't pay her enough to the life that she's accustomed....i'm figuring a guarnteed start off of 50k and if she's accustomed to MORE before having a job she's just a spoiled cvnt, anyway.

''I take no issue with why she chose not to work here," said Korman, a 1995 Boston University School of Law graduate. ''But to then insult me by saying I'm not a real lawyer -- that's offensive. ... Here's a woman who's just starting her career, and that she had the unmitigated gall to send an e-mail like that blew me away."

Abdala, who described herself as a ''trust fund baby," was admitted to the Massachusetts bar last year and said that since then she has ''just been taking it easy" because ''I worked hard in school." She decided to respond to Korman's job posting because ''I wanted to establish somewhat of a career for myself," she said. ''No one wants to be living off daddy." Abdala's father, George S. Abdala, is a Springfield lawyer.

Abdala said she is now working for herself by renting space from a lawyer on Franklin Street in Boston, where she will take court-appointed cases and do private criminal defense work.

Abdala said she has no regrets about the e-mail exchange. She said she has reported Korman to the Board of Bar Overseers for ''unprofessional and unethical" conduct for forwarding her e-mail to an outside party. She also said she believes that Korman's remark about Boston's ''small legal community" was tantamount to ''threatening my legal career," and that he circulated the e-mails as a ''cheap ploy to bring more business to his firm."

Threatening Abdala ''certainly wasn't my intention," Korman said. ''My goal wasn't to put her on the defensive, but simply to say there's a strong likelihood, given the small size of the criminal defense bar, that our paths would cross again." Korman acknowledges he sent the e-mail to a colleague, and said he did so because ''it was so shocking and unbelievable."

''All I did," he added, ''was forward a non-privileged, non-client communication to somebody who then chose to forward it along. I really don't see where the ethical breach is."

The sad thing is her parents probably paid for her new practice and she is going to make good money anyways. Of course, even if she does well career wise, she isn't going to find any guys that wants her other than for her money. I hope more people see this and don't use her as a lawyer. If you are in Boston and need legal advice, look up Korman, don't think about using this girl.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: rh71
I'm not as one-sided as most of you I suppose... the lawyers egged her on AS WELL.. they could've let it go after writing her once... they are nobodys themselves in the grand scheme of things but they chose an immature route too... except they were better at it. I guess they were bored enough to care about her...

He acted as a lawyer would though. Somewhat snide and argumentative, but not petulant and immature like this girl.

 

[imported_Pablo]

is the legal profession really so petty? sounds like something a group a middle school cheerleaders would do when somebody didn't want to join their club.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: DaShen

The sad thing is her parents probably paid for her new practice and she is going to make good money anyways. Of course, even if she does well career wise, she isn't going to find any guys that wants her other than for her money. I hope more people see this and don't use her as a lawyer. If you are in Boston and need legal advice, look up Korman, don't think about using this girl.

I don't think I'd hire either one of them, unless he's known as a particularly brilliant lawyer (I have no idea of his reputation, and he isn't rated by Martindale-Hubbell).

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Pablo
is the legal profession really so petty? sounds like something a group a middle school cheerleaders would do when somebody didn't want to join their club.

Apparrently, you do not know many lawyers.

Most of them have a very petty argumentative nature. It makes them good at what they do. Some are different, but only a few. It doesn't make them bad people, just different and good at what they do. Although it does make them @sshole-like to certain people.

**EDIT**
Criminal Lawyers are supposed to nitpick at everthing that is written down, everything that is said, the connotation of the remark.... It makes them great lawyers, not always the greatest of people, unless they realize that about themselves and learn to control it.

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Owned.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Pablo
is the legal profession really so petty? sounds like something a group a middle school cheerleaders would do when somebody didn't want to join their club.

what, forwarding the emails? i believe you'd see similar behavior in a variety of other professions.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon
She's a lawyer, a job will always be available somewhere for her, regardless how much of a tool she is.

well she can always hang her own shingle, but that's about it, i would think. it's not like she's ever going to rise in the legal community with her name out there like this.

There is a lot more to the legal community than this exchange. Sure there are some big dogs listed there, but there is always more out there.

Where is this lady located? Minnesota?

that's true, i suppose she could try and look for work in guam or something...

the thing is, this exchange isn't the full extent... it's been posted on other msg boards, and presumably her name will find its way into the google index 😛

After reading that article it seems that Abdala might have a case for a lawsuit against Korman.

She already setup her own practice and will probably do well. Regardless of how many people you piss off in a community (read: club), there are always outsiders that will do very well staying on the outside. I have no doubt in my mind she will be successful lawyer for as long as she wants.

 

[zoiks]

Whats wrong with her email. She was a bit blunt but she didn't put him down or anything.
I've seen a lot worse in my line of work from CEO's and other professionals.

nm. She did put him down. She needs a big slap.

 

[Toasthead]

hahahah thats awesome!!!

I love seeing poeple getting what they deserve.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon
She's a lawyer, a job will always be available somewhere for her, regardless how much of a tool she is.

well she can always hang her own shingle, but that's about it, i would think. it's not like she's ever going to rise in the legal community with her name out there like this.

There is a lot more to the legal community than this exchange. Sure there are some big dogs listed there, but there is always more out there.

Where is this lady located? Minnesota?

that's true, i suppose she could try and look for work in guam or something...

the thing is, this exchange isn't the full extent... it's been posted on other msg boards, and presumably her name will find its way into the google index 😛

After reading that article it seems that Abdala might have a case for a lawsuit against Korman.

She already setup her own practice and will probably do well. Regardless of how many people you piss off in a community (read: club), there are always outsiders that will do very well staying on the outside. I have no doubt in my mind she will be successful lawyer for as long as she wants.

i'm sorry, but i'm just not seeing what information would lead you to believe that she is going to do well. contrary to popular belief, the vast majority of lawyers do not do that well... avg salary is 40k, i believe.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: gopunk
start from the bottom and read up... the best part is how it gets forwarded to people at top firms (paul weiss, s&c, k&e) and parts of the federal court system 😀





>----- Forwarded by Katie Summers/TNMD/06/USCOURTS on 02/14/2006 04:14 PM
>-----
>Frank Scaduto/PAED/03/USCOURTS 02/14/2006 04:08 PM
>To Shanna Singh/TNMD/06/USCOURTS@USCOURTS
>cc Katie Summers/TNMD/06/USCOURTS@USCOURTS , Kristin M
>Williams/USDCMDPA/PAMD/03/USCOURTS@USCOURTS , Samuel
>McDonald/CA11/11/USCOURTS@USCOURTS, Stephen
>Simpson/VAED/04/USCOURTS@USCOURTS
>Subject Re: Fw: Lawyers Behaving Badly
>
>God bless the Internet. This girl has officially rendered her legal career
>DOA.
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Hallie S Goldblatt <*
@paulweiss.com*<@paulweiss.com>>
>Date: Feb 14, 2006 3:20 PM
>Subject: Fw: Lawyers Behaving Badly
>To: *@kirkland.com* <@kirkland.com>, *@gmail.com
*<@gmail.com>,
*taj.@nyu.edu* <taj.@nyu.edu>,
>* jesse.@gmail.com* <jesse.@gmail.com>, *
luke.@nyu.edu* <luke.@nyu.edu>,
*@willkie.com*<@willkie.com>
>Cc: Stephen Yuhan < *@paulweiss.com* <@paulweiss.com>>
>
>In the criminal justice system, this girl is considered especially
>heinous...
>
>Happy Valentine's Day everyone!!!
>
>
>Hallie S. Goldblatt | Associate - Not Yet Admitted
>Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP
>1285 Avenue of the Americas | New York, NY 10019-6064
>*@paulweiss.com* <@paulweiss.com> |
*www.paulweiss.com*<http://www.paulweiss.com/>
>
>
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Foley, Allison
>Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:41 AM
>Subject: Fwd: FW: Lawyers Behaving Badly
>
>Yes, I know this girl, a Suffolk Law 2004 graduate. Her e-mail messages
>truly convey her personality. I had two classes with her. In both, she
>would come to class late, sit in the front row eating and drinking (usually
>chips and a snapple), and never took notes. Great way to make yourself look
>good as a young attorney. Amazing how far this has reached since February
>3.
>
>
>--------
>From: Joshua Krell
>Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:57 AM
>To: Joshua Krell
>Subject: Lawyers Behaving Badly
>
>This just in from former colleagues at the AG's Office (Bloom and Breen).
>Will Korman is a rising star in the criminal defense world, and great guy
>to boot, who was a brand new ADA when I was doing a rotation in Roxbury
>District Court. He now has a burgeoning solo practice. Start from the
>bottom and start cringing.
>
>Josh
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Breen [mailto: *@bu.edu* <@bu.edu>]
>Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:54 AM
>To: Stacey G. Bloom
>Subject: FW: Thank you
>
>Read from the bottom to the top.there was an intervening exchange of voice
>mails as *well.as* <http://well.as/> you can imagine, they were as unprofessional as her
>e-mails.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: William A. Korman [mailto: *@kormanlaw.com* <@kormanlaw.com>]
>Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:55 AM
>To: 'David Breen'
>Subject: RE: Thank you
>
>You can e-mail this to whomever you want.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Breen [mailto: *@bu.edu* @bu.edu>]
>Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:47 AM
>To: 'William A. Korman'
>Subject: RE: Thank you
>
>OH MY GOD!
>
>Where to begin?
>
>First of all, how unprofessional, and secondly, it is "reap what you
>'sow,'" now "sew". If she is going to use a cliche, couldn't she at least
>spell it right? And WTF is with her "blab la bla"? Does she not read your
>e-mail about it being a small community?! So, finally, can I forward this
>along to some folks? I am sure they would love to see how the up-and-coming
>lawyers are comporting themselves! (Clearly she did not go to BU!!!)
>
>J
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: William A. Korman [mailto: *@kormanlaw.com * <@kormanlaw.com>]
>Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:59 AM
>To: 'David Breen'
>Subject: FW: Thank you
>
>Did I already forward this to you?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dianna Abdala [mailto: *dabdala@sn.com* <dabdala@msn.com>]
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:29 PM
>To: William A. Korman
>Subject: Re: Thank you
>
>bla bla bla
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: William A. Korman
>To: 'Dianna Abdala'
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:18 PM
>Subject: RE: Thank you
>
>Thank you for the refresher course on contracts. This is not a bar exam
>question. You need to realize that this is a very small legal community,
>especially the criminal defense bar. Do you really want to start pissing
>off more experienced lawyers at this early stage of your career?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dianna Abdala [mailto: *dabdala@msn.com* <dabdala@msn.com>]
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:01 PM
>To: William A. Korman
>Subject: Re: Thank you
>
>A real lawyer would have put the contract into writing and not exercised
>any such reliance until he did so.
>
>Again, thank you.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: William A. Korman
>To: 'Dianna Abdala'
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 12:15 PM
>Subject: RE: Thank you
>
>Dianna -
>
>Given that you had two interviews, were offered and accepted the job
>(indeed, you had a definite start date), I am surprised that you chose an
>e-mail and a 9:30 PM voicemail message to convey this information to me. It
>smacks of immaturity and is quite unprofessional. Indeed, I did rely upon
>your acceptance by ordering stationery and business cards with your name,
>reformatting a computer and setting up both internal and external e-mails
>for you here at the office. While I do not quarrel with your reasoning, I
>am
>extremely disappointed in the way this played out. I sincerely wish you the
>best of luck in your future endeavors.
>
>- Will Korman
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dianna Abdala [mailto: *dabdala@msn.com * <dabdala@msn.com>]
>Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:23 PM
>To: *@kormanlaw.com* <@kormanlaw.com>
>Subject: Thank you
>
>Dear Attorney Korman,
>
>At this time, I am writing to inform you that I will not be accepting your
>offer.
>
>After careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that the pay you
>are offering would neither fulfill me nor support the lifestyle I am living
>in light of the work I would be doing for you.
>
>I have decided instead to work for myself, and reap 100% of the benefits
>that I sew.
>
>Thank you for the interviews.
>
>Dianna L. Abdala, Esq.

LOL what a loser.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon
She's a lawyer, a job will always be available somewhere for her, regardless how much of a tool she is.

well she can always hang her own shingle, but that's about it, i would think. it's not like she's ever going to rise in the legal community with her name out there like this.

That's silly. She's just a little arrogant and immature, like a lot of people in their twenties are. It's forgivable because those qualities usually cure themselves very quickly on contact with the real world. It's also forgivable because it's better to start out a little arrogant and headstrong than it is to be a weakling or suckup. Wise leaders understand this. If she learns something from all this I think she'll be fine - in fact all the attention might work in her favor because it'll make it very easy for her to prove herself.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon
She's a lawyer, a job will always be available somewhere for her, regardless how much of a tool she is.

well she can always hang her own shingle, but that's about it, i would think. it's not like she's ever going to rise in the legal community with her name out there like this.

There is a lot more to the legal community than this exchange. Sure there are some big dogs listed there, but there is always more out there.

Where is this lady located? Minnesota?

that's true, i suppose she could try and look for work in guam or something...

the thing is, this exchange isn't the full extent... it's been posted on other msg boards, and presumably her name will find its way into the google index 😛

After reading that article it seems that Abdala might have a case for a lawsuit against Korman.

She already setup her own practice and will probably do well. Regardless of how many people you piss off in a community (read: club), there are always outsiders that will do very well staying on the outside. I have no doubt in my mind she will be successful lawyer for as long as she wants.

i'm sorry, but i'm just not seeing what information would lead you to believe that she is going to do well. contrary to popular belief, the vast majority of lawyers do not do that well... avg salary is 40k, i believe.

I don't have any imperical data to support my opinion, it's just an opinion. She is pompous, driven and very rich to begin with, I'm sure she will do just fine. She is young and made a mistake, mistakes are forgivable. She also has world wide attention at a very young age, which can make it VERY easy to her to prove herself. If anything this exchange took her from starting at a firm in low level obscurity to gaining worldwide media/community attention, albeit negative at this point.

Average salary is nearly double that for lawyers. The lowest 10% earn an average of 45K or lower. The top 10% earn at least 150K. Average income for all lawyers was approximately 90K. That is dept of labor data from 2002.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Pablo
is the legal profession really so petty? sounds like something a group a middle school cheerleaders would do when somebody didn't want to join their club.

Apparrently, you do not know many lawyers.

Most of them have a very petty argumentative nature. It makes them good at what they do. Some are different, but only a few. It doesn't make them bad people, just different and good at what they do. Although it does make them @sshole-like to certain people.

**EDIT**
Criminal Lawyers are supposed to nitpick at everthing that is written down, everything that is said, the connotation of the remark.... It makes them great lawyers, not always the greatest of people, unless they realize that about themselves and learn to control it.

Completely and 100% agreed. Also lawyers are experts on everything. They will ask you into their office tell you, "I don't know anything about computers", but secretly they can't believe it and think they know just as much as you, after all they have a law degree...
:roll:

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon
She's a lawyer, a job will always be available somewhere for her, regardless how much of a tool she is.

well she can always hang her own shingle, but that's about it, i would think. it's not like she's ever going to rise in the legal community with her name out there like this.

That's silly. She's just a little arrogant and immature, like a lot of people in their twenties are. It's forgivable because those qualities usually cure themselves very quickly on contact with the real world. It's also forgivable because it's better to start out a little arrogant and headstrong than it is to be a weakling or suckup. Wise leaders understand this. If she learns something from all this I think she'll be fine - in fact all the attention might work in her favor because it'll make it very easy for her to prove herself.

arrogant and headstrong is fine, but she was more than that... who the hell says "bla bla bla" in a professional context?

 

[ForumMaster]

it's simply amazing how dumb some people can be!

 

[AdamSnow]

Another vote for the OP should have edited the email.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon
She's a lawyer, a job will always be available somewhere for her, regardless how much of a tool she is.

well she can always hang her own shingle, but that's about it, i would think. it's not like she's ever going to rise in the legal community with her name out there like this.

That's silly. She's just a little arrogant and immature, like a lot of people in their twenties are. It's forgivable because those qualities usually cure themselves very quickly on contact with the real world. It's also forgivable because it's better to start out a little arrogant and headstrong than it is to be a weakling or suckup. Wise leaders understand this. If she learns something from all this I think she'll be fine - in fact all the attention might work in her favor because it'll make it very easy for her to prove herself.

arrogant and headstrong is fine, but she was more than that... who the hell says "bla bla bla" in a professional context?

I'm not sure, though I would assume that after her initial email and voicemail she wrote off that job offering. So I think it moved from "professional" to "personal" in the matter of a few keystrokes.

 

[dabuddha]

Maybe we should all email her letting her know that we know what everyone knows 😀

I've read the previous sentence 4 times and it still barely makes sense :laugh:

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Pablo
is the legal profession really so petty? sounds like something a group a middle school cheerleaders would do when somebody didn't want to join their club.

Apparrently, you do not know many lawyers.

Most of them have a very petty argumentative nature. It makes them good at what they do. Some are different, but only a few. It doesn't make them bad people, just different and good at what they do. Although it does make them @sshole-like to certain people.

**EDIT**
Criminal Lawyers are supposed to nitpick at everthing that is written down, everything that is said, the connotation of the remark.... It makes them great lawyers, not always the greatest of people, unless they realize that about themselves and learn to control it.

Completely and 100% agreed. Also lawyers are experts on everything. They will ask you into their office tell you, "I don't know anything about computers", but secretly they can't believe it and think they know just as much as you, after all they have a law degree...
:roll:

Some doctors have this mindset too, not as many though. Getting a law/medical degree changes how you view yourself and others, I have heard, because of the way you are taught in school. You learn to be a little egotistical about yourself and your accomplisments, even a little elitist.

At a hospital, You can't call a doctor, "Joe Shmoe", you must call them by "Dr. Shmoe". Even fellow doctors will call each other "Dr." I just don't get it.

If I go back to school, I hope I don't end up that way.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon
She's a lawyer, a job will always be available somewhere for her, regardless how much of a tool she is.

well she can always hang her own shingle, but that's about it, i would think. it's not like she's ever going to rise in the legal community with her name out there like this.

That's silly. She's just a little arrogant and immature, like a lot of people in their twenties are. It's forgivable because those qualities usually cure themselves very quickly on contact with the real world. It's also forgivable because it's better to start out a little arrogant and headstrong than it is to be a weakling or suckup. Wise leaders understand this. If she learns something from all this I think she'll be fine - in fact all the attention might work in her favor because it'll make it very easy for her to prove herself.

arrogant and headstrong is fine, but she was more than that... who the hell says "bla bla bla" in a professional context?

I'm not sure, though I would assume that after her initial email and voicemail she wrote off that job offering. So I think it moved from "professional" to "personal" in the matter of a few keystrokes.

that's what i'm saying, there was no basis to moving it to personal. this guy was another professional to her, that's all.

 

[Phoenix86]

CLM

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SampSon
She's a lawyer, a job will always be available somewhere for her, regardless how much of a tool she is.

well she can always hang her own shingle, but that's about it, i would think. it's not like she's ever going to rise in the legal community with her name out there like this.

There is a lot more to the legal community than this exchange. Sure there are some big dogs listed there, but there is always more out there.

Where is this lady located? Minnesota?

that's true, i suppose she could try and look for work in guam or something...

the thing is, this exchange isn't the full extent... it's been posted on other msg boards, and presumably her name will find its way into the google index 😛

After reading that article it seems that Abdala might have a case for a lawsuit against Korman.

She already setup her own practice and will probably do well. Regardless of how many people you piss off in a community (read: club), there are always outsiders that will do very well staying on the outside. I have no doubt in my mind she will be successful lawyer for as long as she wants.

i'm sorry, but i'm just not seeing what information would lead you to believe that she is going to do well. contrary to popular belief, the vast majority of lawyers do not do that well... avg salary is 40k, i believe.

I don't have any imperical data to support my opinion, it's just an opinion. She is pompous, driven and very rich to begin with, I'm sure she will do just fine. She is young and made a mistake, mistakes are forgivable. She also has world wide attention at a very young age, which can make it VERY easy to her to prove herself. If anything this exchange took her from starting at a firm in low level obscurity to gaining worldwide media/community attention, albeit negative at this point.

Average salary is nearly double that for lawyers. The lowest 10% earn an average of 45K or lower. The top 10% earn at least 150K. Average income for all lawyers was approximately 90K. That is dept of labor data from 2002.

you're right, my bad.

i doubt how rich she is though... if she were really rich, why would she have complained that her salary was not going to be able to support her lifestyle? also, i'm not sure where this idea that just because her name is out there it will be easier for her to prove herself. would you hire her? i sure as hell wouldn't... if there are immature and arrogant people that are successful, it's in spite of those qualities, not because of them.

i guess time will tell.

 

[Syrch]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Now this..this is networking :laugh: