WoW - Can someone link or tell me about a good Warrior Talent Template?
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Well, I don't play a warrior. So I'm no expert in Warrior Talents.
I do know, however, that the protection tree is something you probably will not want to spend many points in while leveling (and specially while soloing). There's debate among warriors as to how needed a heavy protection spec is for main tanks. I do believe a protection spec warrior tanks better in end game, but I'm no warrior so my opinion is merely that.
For leveling, aiming for a fury / arms build might be best. The 'cookie cutter' warrior build these days is a MS 31 /20/0 build, though I hear it's gear dependant.
Here's a link to a stickied thread in the Warrior forums
I do know, however, that the protection tree is something you probably will not want to spend many points in while leveling (and specially while soloing). There's debate among warriors as to how needed a heavy protection spec is for main tanks. I do believe a protection spec warrior tanks better in end game, but I'm no warrior so my opinion is merely that.
For leveling, aiming for a fury / arms build might be best. The 'cookie cutter' warrior build these days is a MS 31 /20/0 build, though I hear it's gear dependant.
Here's a link to a stickied thread in the Warrior forums
pontifex
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yeah, best place would be the official wow forums....
i don't get why people ask for gameplay help for specific games on this forum. the game's official forums would be 10000x better for this stuff.
even game tech support questions would be better off asked at that game's specific forum.
i just don't get it.
i don't get why people ask for gameplay help for specific games on this forum. the game's official forums would be 10000x better for this stuff.
even game tech support questions would be better off asked at that game's specific forum.
i just don't get it.
CKent
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Wait, you want to know what other warriors are doing, or you want to be able to play around with the talents without actually doing it in-game? If it's the former, check the official warrior forums... if the latter, go to thottbot.com -> classes -> warrior -> talents
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You're right, we should just shut this forum down completely and discuss WAL stuff....oh wait, that should be done on Microsoft's website. How about programming? No wait, there are forums on the internet focusing on those exact languages discussed with more experienced people. Hrm, well lets discuss why we like certain software, no wait...there are review forums for those specific softwares we might discuss like video games.
just don't get it either.....I guess we cannot discuss anything relative to your concerns pontifex.
pontifex
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yeah, because i said we can't talk about anything here, right?
go die.
so you think that one forum that has nothing to do with the game, where there may be a chance that no one else who plays the game comes here, or may not even have any clue about warrior talents, is better than a forum thats dedicated to the stuff he is asking?
seems common sense to me, but of course, most people these days have no common sense.
Actually, its known that many of us that come to this forum play the game. You also have a higher chance of recieving an intelligent reply in these forums that is straitforward and honest as opposed to the offical WoW forums.
Go for a fury build for PVE leveling/PVE dps. Try to get as much +hit%/+crit% gear as possible. The +hit% gear helps dual wielding a lot as your miss rate is 24% (DW increases miss rate by 19% from base miss percent of 1h+shield or 2h which is 5%). If you're just starting your warrior, I'd stick with purely fury talents until you get to 5 points in flurry.
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Well, according to your logic, we shouldnt be talking about anything here if it has it's own specified forum somewhere else.
Let me tell you something Mr I-signed-up-for-these-forums-less-than-1-month-ago. I've been posting here for quite a bit now (almost 2 years). I know ALOT of the people who regular these forums. Enough to know that there are quite a bit that play WoW (and that i've had the pleasure to play with). I value their opinion and wanted to know what they thought on this subject. Does that make sense to you? I'm guessing probably not since you seem to have zero social skills.
Oh, and as far as the "go die" comment you made -grow up. No one cares about you or the sh!t you have to say.
Honestly, I had a lot of luck with the typical Arms31/Fury20 with a big, slow, 2h axe. It may be what everone seems to have, but it works.
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Originally posted by: RBachman
Er... Sorry to interrupt the arguing, but what was it you wanted again?Wasn't clear from your post. Tips from other warrs or an app to mess around with talent points without actually spending the gold in-game to do it for real?
I don't need a talent calulator, there is one on the official WoW site. I'm asking for advice from other, experienced Warriors, on where to distribute my points.
What do you wanna do?
Level fast?
Tank in MC/BWL?
Have a good PvE and PvP build?
I'd say I have a fair bit of experience seeing as I've done all of the above, started out with a cookie cutter build(31 arms/20 fury) and a big 2hander, this is a very nice build all around since it's by far the best for PvP while being a very viable PvE build as well.
Typical cookie cutter.
This will vary slightly, obviously you pick whatever weapon spec you need for your weapon(except mace, that spec sucks so hard I'd even pick 2h spec over it), and some people like imp execute instead of enrage, imp demo shout instead of booming voice, but you get the general idea.
When we were fighting our way through MC I respeced to prot(don't remember the exact distribution of talents, something like this).
You'll note there are 3 points left out in the build, those are the ones I had a problem deciding on.
For smaller instances I could see Imp Revenge being nice since a 3 sec stun now and then will mean a lot of damage mitigation, I didn't spend it on that though, I frankly don't remember what I spent it on.
Prot sucks big for PvP and solo play since your DPS is gimpen beyond recognition, and it isn't really all that for tanking either, so unless you're the MT in an MC capable guild, I wouldn't bother, and even for MC it's not really needed if you have good gear.
My current build is a Fury/dw build.
This is a very nice build overall, I've focused it around PvE DPS rather than PvP, so it doesn't hold up against the cookie cutter for PvP, but it cuts through mobs very quickly.
The problem with this kind of build is that getting good gear is far harder than it is for the cookie cutter, since big bad two handers are abundant throughout the game, whereas good one handers aren't.
Not to mention you'll need lots of +hit to be effective, and you'll need to sacrifice some +crit for that.
Again, this is a nice build, but I wouldn't really recommend it until you know you can get your hand on some good equipment for it.
My fury build.
For max DPS imp HS isn't bad, but since this is for PvE I neglected that since HS pulls a lot of agro, and hence spamming it is a good way to get yourself killed.
Of course, the type of server you play on matters as well, I play on a PvP server, so being somewhat capable in PvP is a good thing, which is why the cookie cutter is so nice for leveling.
Level fast?
Tank in MC/BWL?
Have a good PvE and PvP build?
I'd say I have a fair bit of experience seeing as I've done all of the above, started out with a cookie cutter build(31 arms/20 fury) and a big 2hander, this is a very nice build all around since it's by far the best for PvP while being a very viable PvE build as well.
Typical cookie cutter.
This will vary slightly, obviously you pick whatever weapon spec you need for your weapon(except mace, that spec sucks so hard I'd even pick 2h spec over it), and some people like imp execute instead of enrage, imp demo shout instead of booming voice, but you get the general idea.
When we were fighting our way through MC I respeced to prot(don't remember the exact distribution of talents, something like this).
You'll note there are 3 points left out in the build, those are the ones I had a problem deciding on.
For smaller instances I could see Imp Revenge being nice since a 3 sec stun now and then will mean a lot of damage mitigation, I didn't spend it on that though, I frankly don't remember what I spent it on.
Prot sucks big for PvP and solo play since your DPS is gimpen beyond recognition, and it isn't really all that for tanking either, so unless you're the MT in an MC capable guild, I wouldn't bother, and even for MC it's not really needed if you have good gear.
My current build is a Fury/dw build.
This is a very nice build overall, I've focused it around PvE DPS rather than PvP, so it doesn't hold up against the cookie cutter for PvP, but it cuts through mobs very quickly.
The problem with this kind of build is that getting good gear is far harder than it is for the cookie cutter, since big bad two handers are abundant throughout the game, whereas good one handers aren't.
Not to mention you'll need lots of +hit to be effective, and you'll need to sacrifice some +crit for that.
Again, this is a nice build, but I wouldn't really recommend it until you know you can get your hand on some good equipment for it.
My fury build.
For max DPS imp HS isn't bad, but since this is for PvE I neglected that since HS pulls a lot of agro, and hence spamming it is a good way to get yourself killed.
Of course, the type of server you play on matters as well, I play on a PvP server, so being somewhat capable in PvP is a good thing, which is why the cookie cutter is so nice for leveling.
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awww gee, i'm so sorry. you've been posting here for 2 years? i'm supposed to bow down before you? liek that really matters? did your e-peen grow a little more now because of that?
no one cares about what you have to say either, mr. i'm the god of the anandtech forums
1.) Well said Sunner.
2.) I've leveled 2 60's and a 50 and can honestly recommend that for leveling, go all dps. You level faster that way, and generally do alright in pvp. Then, once you are 60, respec to whatever benefits the group the most. For some classes they might have decide if they want to give up their damage output, in order to help the group better (e.g. Palis and Priests). In this case however, it sounds like you don't have to make that decision because cookie cutter dmg output is fine for pve instances. If your group is having trouble though, a protection spec might get you over the hump.
3.) Thank you, Anandtech for providing us with software - apps, programming and games forums so that we may freely discuss software - apps, programming and games with our friends and associates.
2.) I've leveled 2 60's and a 50 and can honestly recommend that for leveling, go all dps. You level faster that way, and generally do alright in pvp. Then, once you are 60, respec to whatever benefits the group the most. For some classes they might have decide if they want to give up their damage output, in order to help the group better (e.g. Palis and Priests). In this case however, it sounds like you don't have to make that decision because cookie cutter dmg output is fine for pve instances. If your group is having trouble though, a protection spec might get you over the hump.
3.) Thank you, Anandtech for providing us with software - apps, programming and games forums so that we may freely discuss software - apps, programming and games with our friends and associates.
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My warrior just hit 39 and so far i'm 9/20/0 and dual wielding mostly. Though i did just earn my whirlwind sword
I am determined to take dual wielding to the end game and murder alliance. I doubt i'll ever go 31/20/0, just isn't me to cookie cut. I might try 18/33 though, just to check deep wounds out.
I find that in free, non scripted (read: non bg) pvp, I hold my own very nicely against all other classes.
For pve I work well also. I'd say some protection is beneficial for pve. Last stand, anticipation, toughness most notably. I've heard imp revenge is awesome too.
I am determined to take dual wielding to the end game and murder alliance. I doubt i'll ever go 31/20/0, just isn't me to cookie cut. I might try 18/33 though, just to check deep wounds out.
I find that in free, non scripted (read: non bg) pvp, I hold my own very nicely against all other classes.
For pve I work well also. I'd say some protection is beneficial for pve. Last stand, anticipation, toughness most notably. I've heard imp revenge is awesome too.
Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: RBachman
Er... Sorry to interrupt the arguing, but what was it you wanted again?
I don't need a talent calulator, there is one on the official WoW site. I'm asking for advice from other, experienced Warriors, on where to distribute my points.
Well, I have a L60 Warrior and a L60 Priest. I am pretty skilled with both of them, so I will just share my opinion.
1) Defensive Tank - If you are going to be groups 90% of the time, I really recomend going protection. I realize that there are several opinions on a protection warrior, but here the build I would use.
Arms
Deflection Rank 5
Tactical Mastery Rank 5
Arms Total: 10
Protection
Shield Specialization Rank 5
Anticipation Rank 5
Improved Bloodrage Rank 2
Toughness Rank 5
Iron Will Rank 4
Last Stand Rank 1
Improved Shield Block Rank 3
Improved Revenge Rank 3
Defiance Rank 5
Improved Sunder Armor Rank 3
Improved Taunt Rank 2
Improved Shield Bash Rank 2
Concussion Blow Rank 1
Protection Total: 41
2) Offensive Tank - You can still group well being an offensive tank, you just need to make sure you have some tanking gear ready when people ask you to join their instance. If you are doing a 5-man instances, chances are you are going to be the only warrior. So make sure you always have a good shield and a good 1H weapon ready to make tanking easier. The following build is based on the MS-Cookie Cutter spec, but it is tried and true. When I played my warrior I didn't want to use the "Cookie Cutter" spec, but I ended up doing it anyway, because it certainly is the best talent spec for an offensive warrior in both PVE & PVP. The following is the talent spec that I would use for my warrior.
Arms
Deflection Rank 5
Improved Rend Rank 3
Improved Charge Rank 2
Tactical Mastery Rank 5
Improved Overpower Rank 2
Anger Management Rank 1
Deep Wounds Rank 3
Impale Rank 2
Axe Specialization Rank 5
Sweeping Strikes Rank 1
Improved Hamstring Rank 1
Mortal Strike Rank 1
Arms Total: 31
Fury
Cruelty Rank 5
Improved Demoralizing Shout Rank 5
Piercing Howl Rank 1
Improved Battle Shout Rank 4
Enrage Rank 5
Fury Total: 20
3) Blender Tank - This is the dual wielding tank. The bad part about dual wield is in PVP. Because you spend much of your time trying to chase an enemy you will miss out on many swings due to "out of range" or "someone ran through you" and so on. in PVE a mob just stands there and your let shred it up, but people don't do that in PVP. The benefit of dual wield is that you gain much more rage and never seem to run out. This is a very good thing. I had my warrior specced in the following when he was fury spec.
Arms
Improved Heroic Strike Rank 3
Deflection Rank 5
Tactical Mastery Rank 5
Arms Total: 13
Fury
Cruelty Rank 5
Unbridled Wrath Rank 5
Improved Cleave Rank 3
Piercing Howl Rank 1
Improved Battle Shout Rank 5
Dual Wield Specialization Rank 5
Improved Execute Rank 2
Enrage Rank 5
Death Wish Rank 1
Flurry Rank 5
Bloodthirst Rank 1
Fury Total: 38
Well, that is pretty much the advice I have on your questions. I have played all of the builds (and more) that I have personally used and found worked best for me. After 5 respecs at L60, I found that the MS Cookie Cutter spec worked best for me, but that is because I didn't find myself doing a whole lot of 5 man instances.
Read again, I'm DW now, simply because we have lots of warrs, including 5 prot speced ones, so I speced for max dmg, not cookie cutter
Nice thing is, a well equipped DPS warr can easily compete with rogues and mages in terms of DPS, yet make a very viable spare tank, say for Garr's adds or something like that.
If that damn Deathbringer would only drop now...but I'm not known for my luck with drops :/
AyashiKaibutsu
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I don't have a lot of experience with warlocks, but most warlocks I see are either kickass or suckass. The kickass ones are all either 21/30 destruction/Demonology or 31 demonology/20 (either one really). Basicly, either you go for massive damage shadowbolts, or 23000 effective health (this is the LOW estimate of effective health high would be around 26000).
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