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timswim78

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Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: timswim78
The ads are too smug for me.

Hey Apple, how about making an affordable PC (sub $900) with expansion slots, room for more hard disks, and an upgradeable GPU?

Why? Most people, not us of course - this is a tech forum... As I was saying.. most people use computers like appliances.. They use a computer to check email. They use a computer to capture and print their digital pictures... They use their computers for specific tasks and do not care about processing power, GPUs, etc. etc. etc. So, for them, the $599 dual core macmini is perfect.... a $999 mac would be great, but does joe blow really upgrade his computer other than throwing in the occassional extra stick of ram? Ask Mr. K-Mart who Nvidia is and he'll probably scratch his head..

Well, Joe Blow often does buy a new monitor. Would be nice to have a decently equipped machine that isn't tied to one monitor forever. Yes, I realize that one can add a second monitor to an Imac, but I for one would not want to keep my 17" iMac on my desk if I upgraded to a 23" monitor.
 

LTC8K6

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I have an old Rival deep fryer that has a breakaway magnetic power cord. They've been on kitchen appliances for a long time. If you snag the cord, you won't spill boiling hot oil all over yourself.
 

imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: timswim78
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: timswim78
The ads are too smug for me.

Hey Apple, how about making an affordable PC (sub $900) with expansion slots, room for more hard disks, and an upgradeable GPU?

Why? Most people, not us of course - this is a tech forum... As I was saying.. most people use computers like appliances.. They use a computer to check email. They use a computer to capture and print their digital pictures... They use their computers for specific tasks and do not care about processing power, GPUs, etc. etc. etc. So, for them, the $599 dual core macmini is perfect.... a $999 mac would be great, but does joe blow really upgrade his computer other than throwing in the occassional extra stick of ram? Ask Mr. K-Mart who Nvidia is and he'll probably scratch his head..

Well, Joe Blow often does buy a new monitor. Would be nice to have a decently equipped machine that isn't tied to one monitor forever. Yes, I realize that one can add a second monitor to an Imac, but I for one would not want to keep my 17" iMac on my desk if I upgraded to a 23" monitor.

An upgradeable tower with Conroe would be cool. It would be good for those who can't afford a Mac Pro and those who don't want that damn all in one iMac. However, the disadvantage of releasing a tower w/ Conroe is that it would probably eat up Mac Pro sales. I am just assuming though.
 

lokiju

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Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: rsd
Actually I thought it was a great commercial. I imagine this has happened to almost everyone with a laptop to some extent or another. If anything the point is that apple does design their laptops to consider careful details.

Yup. Apple provides premium computing. From the small details like the power cord to the best user interface developed yet, it's just better than other pc manufacturers. OP, you're a moron.

Best user interface my ass. Best LOOKING, sure, but from a usability standpoint, I'm writing a paper that completely and totally dismantles it (and no, it isn't just my opinion, I'm basing the whole thing on UI usability textbooks)

If you know how to use the keyboard shortcuts it is the best interface around. And it still is just your opinion, even if you're using textbooks. You could just be a bad student.

Yes, and an AS/400's user interface is even better if you know the shortcut keys. Hell, on the AS/400, they're even printed on the keyboard!!!!

Sorry, the only meaningful user interface from a software development standpoint is the graphical one, because that's the one most users identify with. And just so I'm not ignorant when I go back to writing this thing, what, exactly, are these shortcut keys and what do they do?

F9, F10, F11. OH NO THAT IS SO FVCKING HARD!!!!!!! Do you even know what expose is????

OSX is the best interface you can use if you are comfortable using shortcuts to get around. Period. If you don't believe me, or you think I'm a troll, ask the fvcking founder of this sight.

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I quickly realized that although Apple had targeted the entry level computer user with the interface of OS X, the OS was far more tailored to the power user in my opinion.


Where to start? Customization is much more possible (and easy to do) under OS X than any variant of Windows that I have ever encountered. Icon sizes are just the beginning; through the view options menu alone, you can change the positioning of the labels on the icons, the text size as well as the normal array of Windows options. And any changes you make here occur in real time - no clicking "OK" or "Apply". Just check a box and it happens instantaneously; and uncheck it, and everything goes back to normal. It's a small thing, but as I soon found out, much of OS X's appeal to me came in tiny gems like this.

The other thing to point out, which is quite possibly the biggest draw to OS X for me, is the fact that just about everything under OS X has a keyboard shortcut associated with it. I've found that if you got your start with PCs in the DOS days, then you end up being much more of a keyboard junkie than someone who is reliant on the mouse. I use the mouse when I have to, but when it's quicker to use the keyboard, I feel much more comfortable firing off a few keystroke combinations to get my point across. If you are anything like me in that respect, then OS X will be your playground.

I can't possibly list all of the keystroke combinations that I use on a daily basis, but there are quite a few. For example, I am a big "ALT-TAB"-er in Windows, but ALT-TAB is only really useful for switching applications, not closing them. The ALT-TAB equivalent under OS X, Command-TAB (the Command key is positioned where you'd expect ALT to be, so it works out fine), works similarly, but here's the catch - hit "Q" while you've selected an application and it will quit automatically. Nice, but nothing major right?

Want to minimize a window? Command-M will take care of that. Want to hide an application without minimizing it? Command-H. Hidden windows will automatically move to the end of the Command-TAB list, so you don't switch to them after you've hidden them.

Want to open a new Finder window? Command-N. Want to create a new folder on your drive? Shift-Command-N. I've always wanted to be able to create new folders in Explorer without using the mouse. OS X was a dream come true in that respect.

OS X will even let you define your own keyboard shortcuts for any application through the keyboard preferences panel

Want some cheese?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: chuckywang
The irony is that Macs, with their Intel chips, are now essentially PCs as well.
^ The only worthwhile post in the thread.
 

lokiju

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Because Expose wasn't around the last time I used the damn thing, and by that description, it sounds like a highly animated version of Alt-Tab and taskbar grouping - if you need to see what's in each window visually, you're beyond your threshold for efficient multitasking.

Actually Windows does have this same feature as an add on Pic

Can be downloaded here.
 

timswim78

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Originally posted by: Lucifer
Originally posted by: timswim78
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: timswim78
The ads are too smug for me.

Hey Apple, how about making an affordable PC (sub $900) with expansion slots, room for more hard disks, and an upgradeable GPU?

Why? Most people, not us of course - this is a tech forum... As I was saying.. most people use computers like appliances.. They use a computer to check email. They use a computer to capture and print their digital pictures... They use their computers for specific tasks and do not care about processing power, GPUs, etc. etc. etc. So, for them, the $599 dual core macmini is perfect.... a $999 mac would be great, but does joe blow really upgrade his computer other than throwing in the occassional extra stick of ram? Ask Mr. K-Mart who Nvidia is and he'll probably scratch his head..

Well, Joe Blow often does buy a new monitor. Would be nice to have a decently equipped machine that isn't tied to one monitor forever. Yes, I realize that one can add a second monitor to an Imac, but I for one would not want to keep my 17" iMac on my desk if I upgraded to a 23" monitor.

An upgradeable tower with Conroe would be cool. It would be good for those who can't afford a Mac Pro and those who don't want that damn all in one iMac. However, the disadvantage of releasing a tower w/ Conroe is that it would probably eat up Mac Pro sales. I am just assuming though.

I think that you are absolutely right. A Conroe based tower would kill Mac Pro sales, and that is why Apple is not releasing one.
 

Miramonti

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I'm looking forward to the ad that proudly boasts that it took Apple 20 years to put a second button on their mouse. :laugh:
 

mercanucaribe

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I don't understand why the Macbooks don't have 2 mouse buttons. That is the only thing that stopped me from buying one instead of a PC laptop.
 

NGC_604

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Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: rsd
Actually I thought it was a great commercial. I imagine this has happened to almost everyone with a laptop to some extent or another. If anything the point is that apple does design their laptops to consider careful details.

Yup. Apple provides premium computing. From the small details like the power cord to the best user interface developed yet, it's just better than other pc manufacturers. OP, you're a moron.


My non-apple laptop has the same kind of power cord, and it is over 2 years old. I thought most laptops were like that, at least the ones that aren't cheap and don't suck.
 

g8wayrebel

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
The one where they are promoting a magnetic power connector for the power cord vs. one that plugs in is just ridiculous. Maybe they are trying to say that only idiots who would use a macintosh computer would have their power cord lying accross the middle of the floor where you constantly walk, but I dunno.

That one just went overboard.



While I agree , I would also suggest you get a keyboard with an enter button.
I went halfway to the next county to read the end of the first half of that sentence.
Try keeping it in the first mile of the screen eh?
 

imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: jjsole
I'm looking forward to the ad that proudly boasts that it took Apple 20 years to put a second button on their mouse. :laugh:

It was already done when they introduced the Mighty Mouse. ;)
 

kami333

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Originally posted by: energydan
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: rsd
Actually I thought it was a great commercial. I imagine this has happened to almost everyone with a laptop to some extent or another. If anything the point is that apple does design their laptops to consider careful details.

Yup. Apple provides premium computing. From the small details like the power cord to the best user interface developed yet, it's just better than other pc manufacturers. OP, you're a moron.


My non-apple laptop has the same kind of power cord, and it is over 2 years old. I thought most laptops were like that, at least the ones that aren't cheap and don't suck.

What laptop do you have?
 

randomlinh

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Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: spanner
Am I the only one who thinks the magnetic connector is retarded. Has nobody had to take their laptop into a lab/workshop with stray metal filings, loose electronic components like resistors and capacitors just wating to be attracted to the magnet and causing possible havoc. Also what if the cord is under a little tension leaving a tiny gap in the connection. wont this cause arcing

The people who would encounter issues such as those you listed wouldn't be stupid enough to purchase an apple computer in the first place. ;) In the end, it all works out...

geez, have much hate for apple?

granted, you do have a point in that I don't know of any apple software geared towards engineers...
 

iwantanewcomputer

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Originally posted by: rsd
Actually I thought it was a great commercial. I imagine this has happened to almost everyone with a laptop to some extent or another. If anything the point is that apple does design their laptops to consider careful details.

(FYI: I don't own a mac at all, but several PC's including laptops)

do you realize that you are basically agreeing that you fall into the category that has been described above as people with no common sense?
 

manly

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Originally posted by: energydan
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: rsd
Actually I thought it was a great commercial. I imagine this has happened to almost everyone with a laptop to some extent or another. If anything the point is that apple does design their laptops to consider careful details.

Yup. Apple provides premium computing. From the small details like the power cord to the best user interface developed yet, it's just better than other pc manufacturers. OP, you're a moron.


My non-apple laptop has the same kind of power cord, and it is over 2 years old. I thought most laptops were like that, at least the ones that aren't cheap and don't suck.
If you're referring to MagSafe, please name your laptop.
 

Cabages

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Well, I thought it was a stupid commercial, and I really do think they are trying to set themselves apart from PC's, but running out of things to point out.

Just think of how much an add like that costs to produce and run, yet they choose to do it about their "special" power cord.
 

theeedude

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I think it's a great commercial. Sure it's no big deal to most people, but it points out attention to details and the added engineering that went into the product. The little things do matter, especially with computers that are essentially built with same components. And this seems like a real problem that they solved. People do use their laptops in coffee shops and other public areas where they are liable to get power cords yanked on or stepped on, etc. If it's one less thing to worry about, then people will be willing to pay more for it, and if people are willing to pay more, it's worth advertising.
 

TheStu

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Another thing I noticed that is just a little touch of added nice-ness is that the two vents on the back of my macbook, the ones on either side of the hinge for the display, have little screens behind the vent grill. Helps keep out foreign objects without limiting airflow too severely, I think it is a nice little thing.

I remember someone talking about a feature in Mail. If you were to resized the date field, the date would automatically change format based on how much space it had... all the way from 09/11/2006 to Monday, September 11, 2006 8:59:32PM. The thing that the person liked was that this wasn't trumpetted as a new feature, but rather was something that the designers put in there that is a nice added touch.
 

Vortec4800

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There really is a lot of fanboyism in here for both the Mac and the PC. I will admit I was an avid PC user for a very long time, and would often partake in the Mac-bashing that would occur. I think it's crappy that people bash OS X and Apple hardware just because they have some strange "hate" for the company. The magnetic power connector is a great feature IMO. It still makes a firm connection but will come out if it is pulled in any direction with any force powerful enough to actually move the laptop. I also think that people saying that anyone with common sense won't leave their laptop cord hanging out is pretty unfair as well. What if it's sitting out of the way and someone else steps on it when you're not paying attention? Accidents do happen, and even though it may not be something that happens to everyone it is nice to know that this is a well thought out feature. Does it deserve a full commercial? Eh, maybe not - but it does get Apple's attention to details philosophy across. They've had other similar features in some of their older laptops too, like the magnetic latches in the screens on their laptops that come down when they get near the base so it isn't always sticking out to get caught on something. Little things. Does it mean that Apple is the only company that's ever done or ever will do this? Of course not, but it does show what they're all about as a company.

I also find it surprising that so many people hate the OS X interface so much. It makes me wonder if they actually don't like the interface, or if they just automatically hate everything Apple produces (hey, I was one of those people not too long ago) and won't even give it a fair chance? It does take a lot of getting used to, especially if you're used to the way Windows works. When I first started with it I hated that when I opened an application with multiple windows I couldn't see each window in the Dock like you could in the Taskbar. I also hated that when you closed a window you don't actually close the application. Now that I'm used to it I prefer it this way. I can keep my Dock nice a tidy, and can use Expose to switch between application windows. (Which by the way a note on Expose useage, you can make each corner of the screen activate a mode of expose. For example on my Mac if you bring the mouse to the bottom right of the screen it shows the desktop, and if you bring it to the bottom left it brings up all the windows for me to select one. This allows me to use it without having to use a keystroke as well). I also have a few applications that I like to keep running even if I'm not really using them. In Windows, I could just minimize the application and it will stay running in the Taskbar. If I want to keep my Mail program up and running all the time, I always have to have my Mail program in the taskbar running. On the Dock I always have my normal applications there to begin with, including my mail program. I can keep it running in the background even if all the windows for it are closed. Same with Safari. Sure I can quit Safari when I'm done with the internet, but I find if I just close the window and keep the program running I can open another browser by clicking on the Safari icon and I get a browser window instantly without waiting for the program to load. Because of the way my shortcuts are setup in the Dock this doesn't take up any extra space either. When I have lots of programs running I might have an extra icon or two in my Dock, but it still doesn't grow too much. The taskbar would often get filled up with many windows, making the icons get very small.

I still own PCs in my house and am eager to try Vista when it's released. I like OS X better than Windows XP for my every day uses, but Windows will always have that huge software support behind it. My main computer is a Dual G5 and my laptop is a Macbook Pro. I'm running Media Center 2005 in my living room and another XP box in my office for emergencies.

I think the moral of the story is everyone likes what they're used to, and hates what they aren't. When I was used to Windows XP, I hated Macs and everything their one-buttoned mice stood for. Now that I'm used to the OS X workflow, I find myself getting frusterated with my Windows computers much more quickly. Did the Mac somehow become better in the time that it took me to get used to the Mac interface instead of the Windows one? No, I just got used to it. If I buy Vista and get used to it, I'll probably find things on the OS X interface that irritate me that Vista doesn't have a problem with.
 

toastyghost

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Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: rsd
Actually I thought it was a great commercial. I imagine this has happened to almost everyone with a laptop to some extent or another. If anything the point is that apple does design their laptops to consider careful details.

Yup. Apple provides premium computing. From the small details like the power cord to the best user interface developed yet, it's just better than other pc manufacturers. OP, you're a moron.
Nice to know that I'm a moron for building my own for a couple hundred bucks rather than paying 2 g's for an inferior rig that has a fancy magnetic power cord.
 

randomlinh

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Originally posted by: toastyghost
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: rsd
Actually I thought it was a great commercial. I imagine this has happened to almost everyone with a laptop to some extent or another. If anything the point is that apple does design their laptops to consider careful details.

Yup. Apple provides premium computing. From the small details like the power cord to the best user interface developed yet, it's just better than other pc manufacturers. OP, you're a moron.
Nice to know that I'm a moron for building my own for a couple hundred bucks rather than paying 2 g's for an inferior rig that has a fancy magnetic power cord.

if you can build a macbook pro equivalent for a couple hundred bucks (or a macbook for that matter), then please, show me. cause your comparison is obviously absurd.

and Vortec4800, very good points.
 

Hossenfeffer

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Not their best commercial, but I, for one, raised an eyebrow at the mention of a magnetic cord. I've tripped on several laptop cords. I'd buy a Macbook in a second if I had the spare cash. OS X is a pretty damn slick interface.