WOW - A few days after buying............

[deldd]

This thread was enjoyable, but now it has gone to crap. It's just a game and everyone has their own opinions, there is really no point in arguing. Oh well. I guess it was bound to happen.

Edit: Glad it's going somewhere again. I personally don't know if I like the idea of pvp too much, but I guess a little of it would be enjoyable. I didn't get to see much of it in the beta, except for a few duel challenges. Let's say I'm level 50, and I go into the othersides lands for a quest, can anyone attack me or there any rules? Or is it like Warcraft III, where you see them and you can attack them?

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
yes that is all I was tryign to tell you... and mal and Skace both backed me up..
Bunker may have in fact been flagged if he ever did any quests in what are tagged as "contested territories" he might never get attacked but he prolly tripped his PVP flag at least 1 time by that level..
there is no warning that your action may trip your PVP flag..just a different icon around your picture...
it is very short timer on Blue servers like 4 mins... so if noone was around youd never even know you tripped it..

we switched servers also from the same one skace did in fact...
and we are already level 25-40 we woulda been in our 50s (well not me i cant play from work like some of the guys can) if archimonde had never gone down and forced us to move..

Do any of the quests require that you live afterwards? What happens if you die and come back via ghost form? Are you still flagged? Do any quests involve killing other players as part of the goal? Are there frequently people just standing around waiting to massacre flagged people? As far as I can tell it would be difficult to imagine that description as being "pvp focused" at least in the same way you would say that ffxi is group focused.

I hope the people playing at work do not do anything important.

 

[torpid]

Additional question...

What's to stop someone from exping without pvp quests and using the auction house to obtain items that they might get there?

 

[deldd]

What does sound interesting is sneaking up on a few unsuspecting trolls wiping them out. Is that possible? Or do you have to do raids? Since night elves had somekind of invisibility, sneaking up on someone would be cool. I think I have gone beyond the scope of the game....

 

[bunker]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: bunker

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Well then dont do any quests past 30... even on the bluebie server becsue WoW is a PVP game.. very similar to DAOC..

FYI CVSiN, I leveled a toon up to 46 in closed beta and never once had to go into PVP.

never went to Hillsbrad? that zone will get you flagged.. maybe you got flagged but never got attacked.. but im sure you got flagged at some point or another...

The only time I ever got flagged is when accidentally buffing a player that was already flagged. Yes I was in Hillsbrad (as alliance) and never got flagged by doing the quests there.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: bunker
The only time I ever got flagged is when accidentally buffing a player that was already flagged. Yes I was in Hillsbrad (as alliance) and never got flagged by doing the quests there.

Did you have to pass on a lot of quests? Was this an active choice?

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: deldd
What does sound interesting is sneaking up on a few unsuspecting trolls wiping them out. Is that possible? Or do you have to do raids? Since night elves had somekind of invisibility, sneaking up on someone would be cool. I think I have gone beyond the scope of the game....

I routinely stealth up behind people and wipe them out. That's what rogues are all about.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: CVSiN
yes that is all I was tryign to tell you... and mal and Skace both backed me up..
Bunker may have in fact been flagged if he ever did any quests in what are tagged as "contested territories" he might never get attacked but he prolly tripped his PVP flag at least 1 time by that level..
there is no warning that your action may trip your PVP flag..just a different icon around your picture...
it is very short timer on Blue servers like 4 mins... so if noone was around youd never even know you tripped it..

we switched servers also from the same one skace did in fact...
and we are already level 25-40 we woulda been in our 50s (well not me i cant play from work like some of the guys can) if archimonde had never gone down and forced us to move..

Do any of the quests require that you live afterwards? What happens if you die and come back via ghost form? Are you still flagged? Do any quests involve killing other players as part of the goal? Are there frequently people just standing around waiting to massacre flagged people? As far as I can tell it would be difficult to imagine that description as being "pvp focused" at least in the same way you would say that ffxi is group focused.

I hope the people playing at work do not do anything important.

naw most of the quests give you isntant credit... you will not get flagged again unless you..
A: attack or are attacked by a enemy guard...
B: heal or assist someone that is PVP flagged

pvp flag only lasts 4 mins so no unless the above happens you can stand and make faces at the horde on a blue server.

no you will never be asked to kill another player as part of a quest.. just guards and some NPCs that will flag you..


no they are Web Admins, Server Admins, Destop Support and other IT support 😛

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: deldd
What does sound interesting is sneaking up on a few unsuspecting trolls wiping them out. Is that possible? Or do you have to do raids? Since night elves had somekind of invisibility, sneaking up on someone would be cool. I think I have gone beyond the scope of the game....

yes we have already been doing this 3 rogue 2 druid in cat form pvp team

 

[bunker]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: bunker
The only time I ever got flagged is when accidentally buffing a player that was already flagged. Yes I was in Hillsbrad (as alliance) and never got flagged by doing the quests there.

Did you have to pass on a lot of quests? Was this an active choice?

No, I did not have to pass on any quests.

I'm not a pvp'er. I've joined a few raids for fun and when the horde attacked Southshore (which happened hourly) I'd occassionally go pvp and help out, but other than that, I had fun with my friends questing and crafting.

No offense CV, but you make it sound like all there is to this game is PVP and that's just not true. Like many of your guildmates, I've been playing since Alpha and have never felt that PVP is a necessary part of the game. If you stick with the WarCraft story, then yes, it probably should be all pvp, but it's not, and that's the way I like it.

EDIT: I do remember one quest in Arathi where I did have to kill a horde npc and it did flag me. The thing is, you'll know by the mob's portrait whether or not you're going to get flagged so you can avoid the quest if you'd like.

 

[torpid]

Well by my definition the game is not yet pvp focused. But I am still confident that blizzard can screw me over if they want to. The first step is making fishing boring.

 

[imported_Zeke]

Originally posted by: onza
everything everyone has said is completely wrong.

yeah, and your wrong too 🙂

 

[Velk]

Originally posted by: deldd
So you guys don't see a problem with bots? From some of your posts it doesn't seem like it has any effect on the game, why so many complaints from people then?

Lets say you are at work, and one of your colleagues is a lazy bum who never does any work, spends all his time playing games, reading websites and taking personal phonecalls, but is still getting paid significantly more than you are, no matter how hard you work.

It doesn't have any effect on *your* work, but do you think you would be happy with the situation ?

Sure it's based off resentment, envy, irritation and self righteousness, but these are all pretty normal human reactions in similar circumstances.

 

[CVSiN]

I have yet to see any bot except the fishing one that would actually work...
and the fishing one could be done by any mouse/keyboard macro program that records mouse postion and clicks..

combat is too complex and mobs are too smart to macro on..

 

[Glavinsolo]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Well then dont do any quests past 30... even on the bluebie server becsue WoW is a PVP game.. very similar to DAOC..
your quests will take you to Horde lands and you will have to kill mobs there that will flag you for attack.. (PVP TAG) and at that time Horde will be able to atatck you...
same thing happens to them In SOuthshore that is always a huge PVP clash area...
they have to do quests in that area that flag them.. and we defend..

I really connot beleive you did not research this before you began playing...
why do you think we have World defence channels in our chat even on normal servers...

that very content you are describing is at the heart of the PVP system it will eventually force you into Horde lands and force you into atatcking mobs that will trigger your PVP flag...

so you be screwed.. and Scarlet Monestary some fo the best loot in the game for 30-50 right dead center in Horde lands...

oh well cant say ill be sorry to see you go any carebear that cant handle pvp even when handeled correctly is no no loss to the game... hell we have 10 girls in our guild that enjoy the crap outa it =P..
and id put them agasint any guy =)
Dont cross that lonely housewife that has nothing but time to play =P

What you are describing is what I have read, except the part about "any quest past 30". I guess we'll have to wait and see about that. I'm not exactly going to trust a guy who apparently has mastered the art of ignoring low reward quests and skipping content in order to level up and PvP. Assuming you are wrong, which is likely, it's not what I would consider pvp since you can't attack anyone who doesn't consent to be attacked.

Thanks for calling me a carebear just because I've had enough of jerks who spend 23 hours a day in a game and exploit any possible imbalance just so they can feel superior to someone else by ganging up with 200 of their friends and/or attacking people indiscriminately. I guess you must fall into that category since you are so defensive about warcraft. No, in fact, I know it since you have mastered the art of levelling up to 20 in 8-12 hours, and don't consider it a big deal at all.

I can name about 1000 reasons why a pvp centric game is doomed to descend into crap. But the main gist is probably exactly what a guy like you enjoys about the game - that it eventually becomes about memorizing the perfect path of levelling, perfect places to hunt, perfect equipment, and perfect exploits of imbalance, and ignoring the rest, then doing nothing but PvP as all the rest of the content dwindles away and becomes neglected by the developers, who have to respond to the super competitive losers who have to prove themselves in virtual reality since in reality they can't. And even if by some miracle a person does not belong in that category, it doesn't matter, because they have to team up with 50 other idiots who can't spell the word what in order to accomplish anything.

Apparently that's your idea of fun...

Please read your manual... If any pvp player kills a grey (to them) player (ex. lvl 30 kills lvl15) he is marked red and is able to be attacked by his own people. Like an outcast. I am not sure how long this lasts. But the general population of the world would hate for high level pvp players to pick on lowly pvp players and would opt to kill the player who would do such a thing. Most people know this so they avoid the situation.

-Glav

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Well then dont do any quests past 30... even on the bluebie server becsue WoW is a PVP game.. very similar to DAOC..
your quests will take you to Horde lands and you will have to kill mobs there that will flag you for attack.. (PVP TAG) and at that time Horde will be able to atatck you...
same thing happens to them In SOuthshore that is always a huge PVP clash area...
they have to do quests in that area that flag them.. and we defend..

I really connot beleive you did not research this before you began playing...
why do you think we have World defence channels in our chat even on normal servers...

that very content you are describing is at the heart of the PVP system it will eventually force you into Horde lands and force you into atatcking mobs that will trigger your PVP flag...

so you be screwed.. and Scarlet Monestary some fo the best loot in the game for 30-50 right dead center in Horde lands...

oh well cant say ill be sorry to see you go any carebear that cant handle pvp even when handeled correctly is no no loss to the game... hell we have 10 girls in our guild that enjoy the crap outa it =P..
and id put them agasint any guy =)
Dont cross that lonely housewife that has nothing but time to play =P

What you are describing is what I have read, except the part about "any quest past 30". I guess we'll have to wait and see about that. I'm not exactly going to trust a guy who apparently has mastered the art of ignoring low reward quests and skipping content in order to level up and PvP. Assuming you are wrong, which is likely, it's not what I would consider pvp since you can't attack anyone who doesn't consent to be attacked.

Thanks for calling me a carebear just because I've had enough of jerks who spend 23 hours a day in a game and exploit any possible imbalance just so they can feel superior to someone else by ganging up with 200 of their friends and/or attacking people indiscriminately. I guess you must fall into that category since you are so defensive about warcraft. No, in fact, I know it since you have mastered the art of levelling up to 20 in 8-12 hours, and don't consider it a big deal at all.

I can name about 1000 reasons why a pvp centric game is doomed to descend into crap. But the main gist is probably exactly what a guy like you enjoys about the game - that it eventually becomes about memorizing the perfect path of levelling, perfect places to hunt, perfect equipment, and perfect exploits of imbalance, and ignoring the rest, then doing nothing but PvP as all the rest of the content dwindles away and becomes neglected by the developers, who have to respond to the super competitive losers who have to prove themselves in virtual reality since in reality they can't. And even if by some miracle a person does not belong in that category, it doesn't matter, because they have to team up with 50 other idiots who can't spell the word what in order to accomplish anything.

Apparently that's your idea of fun...

Please read your manual... If any pvp player kills a grey (to them) player (ex. lvl 30 kills lvl15) he is marked red and is able to be attacked by his own people. Like an outcast. I am not sure how long this lasts. But the general population of the world would hate for high level pvp players to pick on lowly pvp players and would opt to kill the player who would do such a thing. Most people know this so they avoid the situation.

-Glav

This doesnt help anything... becasue most of the kinds of PKs that kill lowbies travel in packs for protection anyway...
and will protect thier own to the death..

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
I have yet to see any bot except the fishing one that would actually work...
and the fishing one could be done by any mouse/keyboard macro program that records mouse postion and clicks..

combat is too complex and mobs are too smart to macro on..

I don't know about WoW, but in FFXI there was some evidence that people had NM hunting bots as well as programs that would reveal where randomly spawning chests were. Combat in FFXI is pretty complex too. Don't know about WoW, but the issue was that a level 50 guy could camp a level 10 area that had an extremely rare drop and if they had a bot, they'd never die.

 

[BooGiMaN]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Well then dont do any quests past 30... even on the bluebie server becsue WoW is a PVP game.. very similar to DAOC..
your quests will take you to Horde lands and you will have to kill mobs there that will flag you for attack.. (PVP TAG) and at that time Horde will be able to atatck you...
same thing happens to them In SOuthshore that is always a huge PVP clash area...
they have to do quests in that area that flag them.. and we defend..

I really connot beleive you did not research this before you began playing...
why do you think we have World defence channels in our chat even on normal servers...

that very content you are describing is at the heart of the PVP system it will eventually force you into Horde lands and force you into atatcking mobs that will trigger your PVP flag...

so you be screwed.. and Scarlet Monestary some fo the best loot in the game for 30-50 right dead center in Horde lands...

oh well cant say ill be sorry to see you go any carebear that cant handle pvp even when handeled correctly is no no loss to the game... hell we have 10 girls in our guild that enjoy the crap outa it =P..
and id put them agasint any guy =)
Dont cross that lonely housewife that has nothing but time to play =P

What you are describing is what I have read, except the part about "any quest past 30". I guess we'll have to wait and see about that. I'm not exactly going to trust a guy who apparently has mastered the art of ignoring low reward quests and skipping content in order to level up and PvP. Assuming you are wrong, which is likely, it's not what I would consider pvp since you can't attack anyone who doesn't consent to be attacked.

Thanks for calling me a carebear just because I've had enough of jerks who spend 23 hours a day in a game and exploit any possible imbalance just so they can feel superior to someone else by ganging up with 200 of their friends and/or attacking people indiscriminately. I guess you must fall into that category since you are so defensive about warcraft. No, in fact, I know it since you have mastered the art of levelling up to 20 in 8-12 hours, and don't consider it a big deal at all.

I can name about 1000 reasons why a pvp centric game is doomed to descend into crap. But the main gist is probably exactly what a guy like you enjoys about the game - that it eventually becomes about memorizing the perfect path of levelling, perfect places to hunt, perfect equipment, and perfect exploits of imbalance, and ignoring the rest, then doing nothing but PvP as all the rest of the content dwindles away and becomes neglected by the developers, who have to respond to the super competitive losers who have to prove themselves in virtual reality since in reality they can't. And even if by some miracle a person does not belong in that category, it doesn't matter, because they have to team up with 50 other idiots who can't spell the word what in order to accomplish anything.

Apparently that's your idea of fun...

Please read your manual... If any pvp player kills a grey (to them) player (ex. lvl 30 kills lvl15) he is marked red and is able to be attacked by his own people. Like an outcast. I am not sure how long this lasts. But the general population of the world would hate for high level pvp players to pick on lowly pvp players and would opt to kill the player who would do such a thing. Most people know this so they avoid the situation.

-Glav

This doesnt help anything... becasue most of the kinds of PKs that kill lowbies travel in packs for protection anyway...
and will protect thier own to the death..

I also read that all NPC will attack them on sight so they basically cannot enter any cities

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: CVSiN
I have yet to see any bot except the fishing one that would actually work...
and the fishing one could be done by any mouse/keyboard macro program that records mouse postion and clicks..

combat is too complex and mobs are too smart to macro on..

I don't know about WoW, but in FFXI there was some evidence that people had NM hunting bots as well as programs that would reveal where randomly spawning chests were. Combat in FFXI is pretty complex too. Don't know about WoW, but the issue was that a level 50 guy could camp a level 10 area that had an extremely rare drop and if they had a bot, they'd never die.

well ya you could do that..
but nothing in this game is worth the cash L10 mobs would drop..
and with them dropping a few copper here and there there is 0 point.. it would take years to get enough money to auction off..

when a real farmer can be L60 clear the L40ish areas and make decent cash and the chance at some "decent" not great since all the best items are usally quest rewards and drops that bind on pick up...
but the differnce is L40 mobs can kill an L60... specially on autopilot where it wont pull key moves or be able to handle adds..

 

[onza]

Originally posted by: Zeke

Originally posted by: onza
everything everyone has said is completely wrong.

yeah, and your wrong too 🙂

i just like how ppl are arguing over the net about a video game...

meh, let them have fun

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: CVSiN
I have yet to see any bot except the fishing one that would actually work...
and the fishing one could be done by any mouse/keyboard macro program that records mouse postion and clicks..

combat is too complex and mobs are too smart to macro on..

I don't know about WoW, but in FFXI there was some evidence that people had NM hunting bots as well as programs that would reveal where randomly spawning chests were. Combat in FFXI is pretty complex too. Don't know about WoW, but the issue was that a level 50 guy could camp a level 10 area that had an extremely rare drop and if they had a bot, they'd never die.

well ya you could do that..
but nothing in this game is worth the cash L10 mobs would drop..
and with them dropping a few copper here and there there is 0 point.. it would take years to get enough money to auction off..

when a real farmer can be L60 clear the L40ish areas and make decent cash and the chance at some "decent" not great since all the best items are usally quest rewards and drops that bind on pick up...
but the differnce is L40 mobs can kill an L60... specially on autopilot where it wont pull key moves or be able to handle adds..

Sounds like the real difference is that blizzard wasn't stupid enough to put a super valuable drop on a trivial monster that appears regularly at the same approximate spot and can be sold on the auction house for more money than most people have ever had.

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Well then dont do any quests past 30... even on the bluebie server becsue WoW is a PVP game.. very similar to DAOC..
your quests will take you to Horde lands and you will have to kill mobs there that will flag you for attack.. (PVP TAG) and at that time Horde will be able to atatck you...
same thing happens to them In SOuthshore that is always a huge PVP clash area...
they have to do quests in that area that flag them.. and we defend..

I really connot beleive you did not research this before you began playing...
why do you think we have World defence channels in our chat even on normal servers...

that very content you are describing is at the heart of the PVP system it will eventually force you into Horde lands and force you into atatcking mobs that will trigger your PVP flag...

so you be screwed.. and Scarlet Monestary some fo the best loot in the game for 30-50 right dead center in Horde lands...

oh well cant say ill be sorry to see you go any carebear that cant handle pvp even when handeled correctly is no no loss to the game... hell we have 10 girls in our guild that enjoy the crap outa it =P..
and id put them agasint any guy =)
Dont cross that lonely housewife that has nothing but time to play =P

What you are describing is what I have read, except the part about "any quest past 30". I guess we'll have to wait and see about that. I'm not exactly going to trust a guy who apparently has mastered the art of ignoring low reward quests and skipping content in order to level up and PvP. Assuming you are wrong, which is likely, it's not what I would consider pvp since you can't attack anyone who doesn't consent to be attacked.

Thanks for calling me a carebear just because I've had enough of jerks who spend 23 hours a day in a game and exploit any possible imbalance just so they can feel superior to someone else by ganging up with 200 of their friends and/or attacking people indiscriminately. I guess you must fall into that category since you are so defensive about warcraft. No, in fact, I know it since you have mastered the art of levelling up to 20 in 8-12 hours, and don't consider it a big deal at all.

I can name about 1000 reasons why a pvp centric game is doomed to descend into crap. But the main gist is probably exactly what a guy like you enjoys about the game - that it eventually becomes about memorizing the perfect path of levelling, perfect places to hunt, perfect equipment, and perfect exploits of imbalance, and ignoring the rest, then doing nothing but PvP as all the rest of the content dwindles away and becomes neglected by the developers, who have to respond to the super competitive losers who have to prove themselves in virtual reality since in reality they can't. And even if by some miracle a person does not belong in that category, it doesn't matter, because they have to team up with 50 other idiots who can't spell the word what in order to accomplish anything.

Apparently that's your idea of fun...

Please read your manual... If any pvp player kills a grey (to them) player (ex. lvl 30 kills lvl15) he is marked red and is able to be attacked by his own people. Like an outcast. I am not sure how long this lasts. But the general population of the world would hate for high level pvp players to pick on lowly pvp players and would opt to kill the player who would do such a thing. Most people know this so they avoid the situation.

-Glav

This doesnt help anything... becasue most of the kinds of PKs that kill lowbies travel in packs for protection anyway...
and will protect thier own to the death..

You would need a pretty large pack to avoid getting slaughtered at any capital city you entered. Remember, you would be attacked by all the city guards as well as other players. And everyone in your pack would have to be marked KOS also or they couldn't do anything except stand and watch as you get mobbed.

Overall I think the honor system will manage the pvp system pretty well, except that it encourages reverse griefing (where low level players attack high level players who won't fight back because they don't want dishonorable kills.).

 

[Luthien]

Some kind of pack mule exploit allowing players to get large amounts of gold apparently was found. I think blizzard stopped it already but I guarantee that is not the only exploit for getting gold instantly or very fast. Over 700 auctions on ebay now for gold, lol. Somehow many sellers are selling large amounts of gold like 10gold or 15gold or 20gold ANY server. Why do they do it well here is why. People are paying $250 for 20gold. If you had an exploit to make gold intantly or very fast in other words a game bug/cheat you too would sell the crap out of it on ebay. That is what is happening. It unbalances the game and devalues everyone elses gold that they had to work for and inflates the sale prices of other goods. Eventually it will ruin the game.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Well then dont do any quests past 30... even on the bluebie server becsue WoW is a PVP game.. very similar to DAOC..
your quests will take you to Horde lands and you will have to kill mobs there that will flag you for attack.. (PVP TAG) and at that time Horde will be able to atatck you...
same thing happens to them In SOuthshore that is always a huge PVP clash area...
they have to do quests in that area that flag them.. and we defend..

I really connot beleive you did not research this before you began playing...
why do you think we have World defence channels in our chat even on normal servers...

that very content you are describing is at the heart of the PVP system it will eventually force you into Horde lands and force you into atatcking mobs that will trigger your PVP flag...

so you be screwed.. and Scarlet Monestary some fo the best loot in the game for 30-50 right dead center in Horde lands...

oh well cant say ill be sorry to see you go any carebear that cant handle pvp even when handeled correctly is no no loss to the game... hell we have 10 girls in our guild that enjoy the crap outa it =P..
and id put them agasint any guy =)
Dont cross that lonely housewife that has nothing but time to play =P

What you are describing is what I have read, except the part about "any quest past 30". I guess we'll have to wait and see about that. I'm not exactly going to trust a guy who apparently has mastered the art of ignoring low reward quests and skipping content in order to level up and PvP. Assuming you are wrong, which is likely, it's not what I would consider pvp since you can't attack anyone who doesn't consent to be attacked.

Thanks for calling me a carebear just because I've had enough of jerks who spend 23 hours a day in a game and exploit any possible imbalance just so they can feel superior to someone else by ganging up with 200 of their friends and/or attacking people indiscriminately. I guess you must fall into that category since you are so defensive about warcraft. No, in fact, I know it since you have mastered the art of levelling up to 20 in 8-12 hours, and don't consider it a big deal at all.

I can name about 1000 reasons why a pvp centric game is doomed to descend into crap. But the main gist is probably exactly what a guy like you enjoys about the game - that it eventually becomes about memorizing the perfect path of levelling, perfect places to hunt, perfect equipment, and perfect exploits of imbalance, and ignoring the rest, then doing nothing but PvP as all the rest of the content dwindles away and becomes neglected by the developers, who have to respond to the super competitive losers who have to prove themselves in virtual reality since in reality they can't. And even if by some miracle a person does not belong in that category, it doesn't matter, because they have to team up with 50 other idiots who can't spell the word what in order to accomplish anything.

Apparently that's your idea of fun...

Please read your manual... If any pvp player kills a grey (to them) player (ex. lvl 30 kills lvl15) he is marked red and is able to be attacked by his own people. Like an outcast. I am not sure how long this lasts. But the general population of the world would hate for high level pvp players to pick on lowly pvp players and would opt to kill the player who would do such a thing. Most people know this so they avoid the situation.

-Glav

This doesnt help anything... becasue most of the kinds of PKs that kill lowbies travel in packs for protection anyway...
and will protect thier own to the death..

You would need a pretty large pack to avoid getting slaughtered at any capital city you entered. Remember, you would be attacked by all the city guards as well as other players. And everyone in your pack would have to be marked KOS also or they couldn't do anything except stand and watch as you get mobbed.

Overall I think the honor system will manage the pvp system pretty well, except that it encourages reverse griefing (where low level players attack high level players who won't fight back because they don't want dishonorable kills.).

Frankly i care less about being flagged red..
I was a Dread Lord in EQ for 3 years.. and I was a red low karma player in L2 for killing people...
it makes no differnece specially if your like me and looking for an excuse to fight anyway...
hell If i could PK half the retards that play allaince that are KSing or smack talking retards id be happy to go red for perm it would be worth it...

 

[BooGiMaN]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Well then dont do any quests past 30... even on the bluebie server becsue WoW is a PVP game.. very similar to DAOC..
your quests will take you to Horde lands and you will have to kill mobs there that will flag you for attack.. (PVP TAG) and at that time Horde will be able to atatck you...
same thing happens to them In SOuthshore that is always a huge PVP clash area...
they have to do quests in that area that flag them.. and we defend..

I really connot beleive you did not research this before you began playing...
why do you think we have World defence channels in our chat even on normal servers...

that very content you are describing is at the heart of the PVP system it will eventually force you into Horde lands and force you into atatcking mobs that will trigger your PVP flag...

so you be screwed.. and Scarlet Monestary some fo the best loot in the game for 30-50 right dead center in Horde lands...

oh well cant say ill be sorry to see you go any carebear that cant handle pvp even when handeled correctly is no no loss to the game... hell we have 10 girls in our guild that enjoy the crap outa it =P..
and id put them agasint any guy =)
Dont cross that lonely housewife that has nothing but time to play =P

What you are describing is what I have read, except the part about "any quest past 30". I guess we'll have to wait and see about that. I'm not exactly going to trust a guy who apparently has mastered the art of ignoring low reward quests and skipping content in order to level up and PvP. Assuming you are wrong, which is likely, it's not what I would consider pvp since you can't attack anyone who doesn't consent to be attacked.

Thanks for calling me a carebear just because I've had enough of jerks who spend 23 hours a day in a game and exploit any possible imbalance just so they can feel superior to someone else by ganging up with 200 of their friends and/or attacking people indiscriminately. I guess you must fall into that category since you are so defensive about warcraft. No, in fact, I know it since you have mastered the art of levelling up to 20 in 8-12 hours, and don't consider it a big deal at all.

I can name about 1000 reasons why a pvp centric game is doomed to descend into crap. But the main gist is probably exactly what a guy like you enjoys about the game - that it eventually becomes about memorizing the perfect path of levelling, perfect places to hunt, perfect equipment, and perfect exploits of imbalance, and ignoring the rest, then doing nothing but PvP as all the rest of the content dwindles away and becomes neglected by the developers, who have to respond to the super competitive losers who have to prove themselves in virtual reality since in reality they can't. And even if by some miracle a person does not belong in that category, it doesn't matter, because they have to team up with 50 other idiots who can't spell the word what in order to accomplish anything.

Apparently that's your idea of fun...

Please read your manual... If any pvp player kills a grey (to them) player (ex. lvl 30 kills lvl15) he is marked red and is able to be attacked by his own people. Like an outcast. I am not sure how long this lasts. But the general population of the world would hate for high level pvp players to pick on lowly pvp players and would opt to kill the player who would do such a thing. Most people know this so they avoid the situation.

-Glav

This doesnt help anything... becasue most of the kinds of PKs that kill lowbies travel in packs for protection anyway...
and will protect thier own to the death..

You would need a pretty large pack to avoid getting slaughtered at any capital city you entered. Remember, you would be attacked by all the city guards as well as other players. And everyone in your pack would have to be marked KOS also or they couldn't do anything except stand and watch as you get mobbed.

Overall I think the honor system will manage the pvp system pretty well, except that it encourages reverse griefing (where low level players attack high level players who won't fight back because they don't want dishonorable kills.).

Frankly i care less about being flagged red..
I was a Dread Lord in EQ for 3 years.. and I was a red low karma player in L2 for killing people...
it makes no differnece specially if your like me and looking for an excuse to fight anyway...
hell If i could PK half the retards that play allaince that are KSing or smack talking retards id be happy to go red for perm it would be worth it...

what are you going to do for money...or repair your weapons and armor..you can't go int the cities to buy, sell, build or repair anything once your flagged