Would you vote for segregation if it improved your kids education?

[Rage187]

Just put them private school.

 

[mikeford]

Failing to get your kid into a good school is damage for life.

 

[rednas]

Failing to get your kid into a good school is damage for life.

meh, I went to terrible inner city schools and I still managed to attend and graduate from college. I personally think too many parents focus too much on some "score" or "rating" when having supportive parents and an individuals desire to succeed are MUCH more important.

 

[Leyawiin]

Segregate your kids....then they go out into the real world with no idea how to get along with other people.

No thanks.

I grew up in small almost all white communities (every school was well over 90%). Never had an issue getting along with anyone.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I would commit genocide to ensure a brighter future for my offspring.

 

[soulcougher73]

Hell ya i would. Screw those retards that ruin neighborhoods and have no inclination to become anything in life.

 

[WackyDan]

Just put them private school.

Which is out of the price range for families who are already paying taxes to the public school system.

 

[vi edit]

Where I live the school system is continously redistricting the lines to keep a balance of incomes. They don't want "poor" schools or "rich" schools. You could live 1 mile from school "A" but your kid will be assigned to school "B" 3 miles away to keep things in balance.

At first I was annoyed by it since it's different than any other system I've been in. I'm used to "buying into" a school district and getting the one I want. Now it's more of a lotto system. But once my daughter got into it I don't mind it so much. Her class was very diverse (and I literally mean it was a rainbow of ethnicities and demographics) and I think it's good for her. We came from an ULTRA white school district. Adding some other culture flair helps round you as a person.

As far as "learning" goes. Meh. I honestly believe that the school they are in is the smallest factor in learning. So long as it's safe and the environment is conductive to learning it's mostly up to the kids natural interests and the parents involvement. The best schools in the world won't turn your kids into brainiacs if you let them come home and watch TV or play Xbox the whole rest of the day when get they get home.

It's your job as a parent to reinforce what they learn and help them with homework. You need to understand what they like to do and try to find activies or extra lessons that can further develop those interests.

You need to be actively invovled and communicating with their teachers for feedback on how they are doing and work to help them in areas they are struggling.

That's really more important than any highly rated school vs. just an "average" one.

 

[JEDI]

I was watching the new PBS documentary on school segregation here and found it disturbing. Most sane people are against any kind of racial segregation but DO want economic separation. Unfortunately, those two are often linked and once you add significant economic cost to supporting equality views can quickly change in a way that makes them appear racist.

In this case, schools are being quantitatively ruined by busing. Not only do you remove any sense of community, but other bad elements are also introduced to an otherwise healthy school. It is clear that many of the poorer kids embrace ghetto culture as show by the number of arrests and acts of violence, including rape. How can anyone learn in an environment where they don't feel safe? Of course not all the poorer kids are involved with this kind of behavior, but enough are that it is impossible to ignore.

The black single mother in the video says how she was glad that others made the sacrifice to give her kids a better life. Sadly, I can't see myself being able to make that sacrifice for others. I would want my kids to have a better education, others be damned, and would move out any failing school system to make that happen. Does it make me a terrible person to act out of rational self interest? Would you make the same choice for your kids? is there a solution?

didnt read what u wrote but my answer based on title of thread.

they're already doing this with tax $ substidized charter schools.

everyone can enter a lottery for these charter schools.
but the charter schools are allowed to expel unrulely students.

majority of those expeled are non-Asian minorities.
these expelled students go back to public school.

so now you have the worst students in public schools and the good ones in charter schools.
de facto segregation

 

[SP33Demon]

Socioeconomically, yes. Racially, I don't really care. There are plenty of congenial minorities once the SES gets jacked up, it hits across all racial divides. $$$ talks, BS walks.

 

[Eug]

As far as "learning" goes. Meh. I honestly believe that the school they are in is the smallest factor in learning. So long as it's safe and the environment is conductive to learning it's mostly up to the kids natural interests and the parents involvement. The best schools in the world won't turn your kids into brainiacs if you let them come home and watch TV or play Xbox the whole rest of the day when get they get home.

Therein lies the problem.

I live in area that is very safe, but the district next to ours is rougher. One school is wholly in my area, and it is well-rated and well off, with middle class to upper middle class kids. The other school I mentioned is on the border between our two districts. It isn't exactly inner city Baltimore or anything but it's noticeably rougher with various issues.

And yes, the big street makes a difference. I didn't mention it earlier, but the latter school is on the opposite side of a 6-lane street, where people often drive 80 km/hr. (Posted limit of 60.)

BTW, I don't want to send my kids to private school, but I would if I had to. For example, there is a third public elementary school which is right beside some derelict buildings (owner trying to sell to condo builders), and they've had crack addicts (who squat in the derelict buildings) banging on the school windows and stuff like that. If we lived one street over, we'd be in that school district. If we lived in that school district, I'd be sending my kids to private school.

P.S. When I was a kid in high school, my high school wasn't awesome or anything, but was quite safe. OTOH, one of the high schools several km away had a constant police presence because of criminal activity. Fast forward to now: If my city forced me to bus my kid to that latter school or one like it, I'd take them out of the public system completely and put them in private school.

 

[rh71]

meh, I went to terrible inner city schools and I still managed to attend and graduate from college. I personally think too many parents focus too much on some "score" or "rating" when having supportive parents and an individuals desire to succeed are MUCH more important.

You forgot about peers and friends who can also influence you whether the kid realizes it or not. If you have majority of friends who blow off classes or don't do homework, it's not going to be a positive for you. Parents who purposely put their kids in good schools will be more apt to stay on the child for good grades and you want those parents and kids alongside your child. Like-minded. It's also not an uphill battle like your situation.

Segregate your kids....then they go out into the real world with no idea how to get along with other people.

No thanks.

Meh, this is learned in college. That's where most people get life experience anyway.

 

[Eug]

Exactly. It's not as if good parents and a smart kid automatically makes for successful education, since there are a lot of competing influences, but it's just good sense to try to make the influences more favourable for your kid (up to a point).

And like it or not, scores do matter. Personally I don't want my kid to be an airy-fairy barista that barely passed high school. I would like my kid to give school a good shot, and would prefer for my kid to score high, en route to something bigger and better in adulthood. Yeah, for example a lot of university degrees are relatively useless, but then again, those who finish university on average still are more successful later in life on average.

 

[poofyhairguy]

The bottom line is equality and fairness matter and there's a price for them.

Fine, pay that price with your kids.

 

[NetWareHead]

That's a myopic, one-sided view. How are the children who are worse off supposed to have the opportunity to have a more equal chance and education if they're segregated off to a terrible environment? Yes, sometimes integrating can cause some problems, but the point is that that' show things change and improve so that today's 'problem children' are not as much a problem tomorrow.

The bottom line is equality and fairness matter and there's a price for them.

I see this crap about how you're fine to screw other groups for your self-interest - so by that logic, bring back racial discrimination in employment so some groups are only able to get menial and low-paying work. You're a real moral person then.

Not my problem. If I have to expend energy it will be towards the betterment of my children first and maybe if there is anything left over for me to do, then I may help others. I will do best for my own family first. Thats my morality

 

[waggy]

Not my problem. If I have to expend energy it will be towards the betterment of my children first and maybe if there is anything left over for me to do, then I may help others. I will do best for my own family first. Thats my morality

/this

My family comes first. i will not sacrifice them in any way to make others feel better.

so yes if confronted with this idiotic situation i would put them in private school.

 

[Vdubchaos]

American schools are ALREADY segregating TODAY. Not by color, but by what they believe is your skill.

aka Basic, General and College "levels".

Many are stuck learning the same old crap over and over just to get them by (aka Basic)

Others are above + little of new stuff (General)

And then these is students that are getting pushed (College/Honors).

 

[waggy]

American schools are ALREADY segregating TODAY. Not by color, but by what they believe is your skill.

aka Basic, General and College "levels".

Many are stuck learning the same old crap over and over just to get them by (aka Basic)

Others are above + little of new stuff (General)

And then these is students that are getting pushed (College/Honors).

yes and rightfully so. why hold those back that can do the work?

I am all for this kind of "segregation". Though i am not a fan of it based off color. that seems silly to me.

 

[rednas]

You forgot about peers and friends who can also influence you whether the kid realizes it or not. If you have majority of friends who blow off classes or don't do homework, it's not going to be a positive for you. Parents who purposely put their kids in good schools will be more apt to stay on the child for good grades and you want those parents and kids alongside your child. Like-minded. It's also not an uphill battle like your situation.

Of course peers and friends influence everyone but to think that bad influences are limited to lower income areas(places with bad schools) I don't think that is the case at all. The only differences that I have witnessed is that people from affluent areas have the ability of have second chances that people from low income areas are not able to have.

 

[rednas]

American schools are ALREADY segregating TODAY. Not by color, but by what they believe is your skill.

aka Basic, General and College "levels".

Many are stuck learning the same old crap over and over just to get them by (aka Basic)

Others are above + little of new stuff (General)

And then these is students that are getting pushed (College/Honors).

this is true. I was put in all honors and AP classes and it was me and the same 20 other kids. When I look at my HS yearbook I do not recognize about 80% of the people I graduated with.

 

[Eug]

Of course peers and friends influence everyone but to think that bad influences are limited to lower income areas(places with bad schools) I don't think that is the case at all.

Of course not. You have bad kids everywhere. However, it's the proportion that can matter.

To put it in overly simplistic terms:

Would you rather your kid be in a class of 30 with 1 gang member, or in a class of 30 with 5 gang members?

 

[Lazarus52980]

How about just living wherever you want and homeschooling your children?

I would like a homeschool option added to the poll please.

 

[vi edit]

Of course not. You have bad kids everywhere. However, it's the proportion that can matter.

To put it in overly simplistic terms:

Would you rather your kid be in a class of 30 with 1 gang member, or in a class of 30 with 5 gang members?

If you shuffle your kids one way vs another you just end up with a different sort of problems. Move them to a more affluent school and you move up to luxury drug sales, X, coke, ect. The biggest drug users I knew in high school were the rich kids from the private schools.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Put up walls - physical and social/economic; it will do us all well and good.

I mean, look how well it worked out when feudal Japan came in contact with modern civilization.

 

[postmortemIA]

It is not my fault that somebody decides to have kids when they can't support them properly. It takes a lot of planning to secure kid's future and get to point where you can provide everything it would need.