DrPizza
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Ahh, you're right. The source I had relied on included people learning English but not quite fluent in English. If you include that group, China still wins, but it doesn't seem fair to include them.
Ahh, you're right. The source I had relied on included people learning English but not quite fluent in English. If you include that group, China still wins, but it doesn't seem fair to include them.
meltdown75
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Well, that's still a pretty irrelevant if you want to live in places like Hong Kong (English is an official language and EVERYONE will be fairly fluent) or Taiwan, of which English is a compulsory language in elementary school.
I really hoped 99% of the votes were for India if not for the fact that I can finally speak to someone I can understand when I call the CSR helpdesk. 
MJinZ
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I really hoped 99% of the votes were for India if not for the fact that I can finally speak to someone I can understand when I call the CSR helpdesk.
If you're American and move to India to work as a CSR, you might as well end yourself now.
I once saw in a toilet in India a notice that said 'do not use paper in this toilet - if I s**t on your face would you wipe it off with paper or wash it off with water?'
I think the sign had a point, really, however crudely expressed (no asterisks in the original). The Western way is kind of gross when you think about it.
(On the other hand, using water runs into trouble in a country where the water supply sometimes doesn't work.)
Edit - changed my mind about answering the original question.
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PieIsAwesome
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Mexico has the higher standard of living on average, and you can get by pretty well if you are clever.
So assuming Hong Kong does not count, Mexico.
So assuming Hong Kong does not count, Mexico.
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mmntech
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Mexico by far. Even with all the drug wars, Mexico still has a vibrant middle class, especially if you can find a gated community.
China, people are fairly nice but I couldn't live under communist rule. India is just a shit hole and most of the people I've met from there are terribly rude and condescending to non-Indians.
China, people are fairly nice but I couldn't live under communist rule. India is just a shit hole and most of the people I've met from there are terribly rude and condescending to non-Indians.
evident
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i'd have to choose mexico, could just live on the beach somewhere. I don't know how I could live in a communist country. I'd be used to chinese culture, but wouldn't be down w/ the commie lockdown.
wat?
wat?
The thing is that even if Hong Kong is out of the question[because they don't follow the same rules as mainland China], you can still cheat the poll by opting to live in Shenzhen which is the city bordering on HK which a lot of people do and commute to HK for work.
edit: I'm surprised no one mentioned Tibet... since it IS technically in China
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vshah
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India...but I'd only ever live there if I was working for a US company on a dollar salary. That's what my parents have been doing for the past 6 years and they're having a blast. Of course I hope they continue to live there so I can visit
Private Healthcare in larger cities is world class. Public hospitals are horrible.
The only thing that sucks is the cost of real estate in the nice parts of Delhi (where I would want to live). Houses that are pretty crappy by western standards easily go for $1-2 million. Even renting a 3 or 4 BR house can run >$5000 a month. My parent's house in Delhi, which we only have because it's been the family for ages, is tiny...2BR, but the land it sits on is probably worth >$5mil.
Note to self: invest in land in India asap.
Private Healthcare in larger cities is world class. Public hospitals are horrible.
The only thing that sucks is the cost of real estate in the nice parts of Delhi (where I would want to live). Houses that are pretty crappy by western standards easily go for $1-2 million. Even renting a 3 or 4 BR house can run >$5000 a month. My parent's house in Delhi, which we only have because it's been the family for ages, is tiny...2BR, but the land it sits on is probably worth >$5mil.
Note to self: invest in land in India asap.
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BoomerD
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Yet another reason to NOT want to live in China:
http://www.modbee.com/2010/06/27/1228690/chinas-young-college-grads-toil.html
China's young college grads toil in 'ant tribes'
By CHI-CHI ZHANG - Associated Press Writer
TANGJIALING, China -- Liu Jun sleeps in a room so small, he shares a bed with two other men. It's all the scrawny computer engineering graduate can afford in a city so expensive that the average white-collar professional can't afford to buy a home.
A dim fluorescent bulb hangs from the ceiling of the 180-square-foot (17-square-meter) room on the fringes of Beijing. The floor is littered with cigarette butts, dirty laundry and half-eaten paper bowls of spicy instant noodles.
"This is what I get for living with two guys," the 24-year-old Liu says, hunched near a pile of used computer parts. He's a chain-smoker who speaks machine-gun rapid-fire fast. "It's not just the mess and lack of privacy, but it's also embarrassing to bring girls home."
The dreams of many young educated Chinese are running up against the realities of China's rapid economic ascent. Rising living costs and low salaries - the result of a surfeit of university graduates - are dashing high expectations.
"I didn't want to be stuck in a small town forever, you know, like the frog in the well," says Liu, who comes from a coal city in the often frozen far north. "I dreamed of achieving success on my own terms in the big city."
One day he may. For now, Liu has joined the "ant tribe" - the millions of young Chinese so known for crowding together in slums in China's largest cities.
His home lies about an hour north of downtown Beijing, down a tree-lined path where a rusty sign welcomes newcomers. Once a small village of farmers and laborers, Tangjialing emerged as a cut-rate bedroom community in 2003 after the opening of massive software parks nearby, including the headquarters of computer-maker Lenovo Group and the widely-used Internet search engine Baidu.com.
Now four- to six-story cement buildings in pastel hues dot the village. Most rooms contain little more than a wardrobe, a bed and a nightstand. There's no air-conditioning in weather that can reach above 100 degrees (38 degrees Celsuis). Rent is $45 to $100 a month. Those willing to pay $15 more get a bathroom. Others use the public bath.
The term "ant tribe" was coined by Lian Si, a professor who wrote a book with that title about the post-1980 generation.
"Unlike slums in South America or Southeast Asia, these villages are populated with educated young people as opposed to laborers or street peddlers," says Lian, who teaches at the University of International Business and Economics in Beijing.
The Chinese born after 1980 are among the most privileged generation in China's long history. Living after the communist government gave up the radical politics that tossed their parents and grandparents between chaos and penury, they have known only ever-rising levels of prosperity.
In their lifetimes, gleaming new office towers have remade China's cities. Hundreds of millions have been lifted from poverty. Travel abroad, private cars and apartments and a university education - all once the preserve of the elite - are increasingly common.
Vibrant megacities such as Beijing and Shanghai are the epitome of this good life. So the ant generation comes, bringing its aspirations.
But their very abundance keeps entry-level salaries low, while housing and other costs rise. Real estate prices have doubled in just three years in major cities, outpacing a 40 percent increase in urban wages from 2005 to 2009.
"This is the biggest struggle for China's young generation today," says Liu Neng, a sociology professor at Beijing University. "People in their 40s and 50s, now leaders in society, have already experienced hardships, but it's the younger generation's turn to face challenges before they become part of the country's elite."
http://www.modbee.com/2010/06/27/1228690/chinas-young-college-grads-toil.html
China's young college grads toil in 'ant tribes'
By CHI-CHI ZHANG - Associated Press Writer
TANGJIALING, China -- Liu Jun sleeps in a room so small, he shares a bed with two other men. It's all the scrawny computer engineering graduate can afford in a city so expensive that the average white-collar professional can't afford to buy a home.
A dim fluorescent bulb hangs from the ceiling of the 180-square-foot (17-square-meter) room on the fringes of Beijing. The floor is littered with cigarette butts, dirty laundry and half-eaten paper bowls of spicy instant noodles.
"This is what I get for living with two guys," the 24-year-old Liu says, hunched near a pile of used computer parts. He's a chain-smoker who speaks machine-gun rapid-fire fast. "It's not just the mess and lack of privacy, but it's also embarrassing to bring girls home."
The dreams of many young educated Chinese are running up against the realities of China's rapid economic ascent. Rising living costs and low salaries - the result of a surfeit of university graduates - are dashing high expectations.
"I didn't want to be stuck in a small town forever, you know, like the frog in the well," says Liu, who comes from a coal city in the often frozen far north. "I dreamed of achieving success on my own terms in the big city."
One day he may. For now, Liu has joined the "ant tribe" - the millions of young Chinese so known for crowding together in slums in China's largest cities.
His home lies about an hour north of downtown Beijing, down a tree-lined path where a rusty sign welcomes newcomers. Once a small village of farmers and laborers, Tangjialing emerged as a cut-rate bedroom community in 2003 after the opening of massive software parks nearby, including the headquarters of computer-maker Lenovo Group and the widely-used Internet search engine Baidu.com.
Now four- to six-story cement buildings in pastel hues dot the village. Most rooms contain little more than a wardrobe, a bed and a nightstand. There's no air-conditioning in weather that can reach above 100 degrees (38 degrees Celsuis). Rent is $45 to $100 a month. Those willing to pay $15 more get a bathroom. Others use the public bath.
The term "ant tribe" was coined by Lian Si, a professor who wrote a book with that title about the post-1980 generation.
"Unlike slums in South America or Southeast Asia, these villages are populated with educated young people as opposed to laborers or street peddlers," says Lian, who teaches at the University of International Business and Economics in Beijing.
The Chinese born after 1980 are among the most privileged generation in China's long history. Living after the communist government gave up the radical politics that tossed their parents and grandparents between chaos and penury, they have known only ever-rising levels of prosperity.
In their lifetimes, gleaming new office towers have remade China's cities. Hundreds of millions have been lifted from poverty. Travel abroad, private cars and apartments and a university education - all once the preserve of the elite - are increasingly common.
Vibrant megacities such as Beijing and Shanghai are the epitome of this good life. So the ant generation comes, bringing its aspirations.
But their very abundance keeps entry-level salaries low, while housing and other costs rise. Real estate prices have doubled in just three years in major cities, outpacing a 40 percent increase in urban wages from 2005 to 2009.
"This is the biggest struggle for China's young generation today," says Liu Neng, a sociology professor at Beijing University. "People in their 40s and 50s, now leaders in society, have already experienced hardships, but it's the younger generation's turn to face challenges before they become part of the country's elite."
shortylickens
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Only the Indian(native American) Mexicans are short and round. I don't remember how they refer to the 'other' ones but I've seen a good number of hot Mexican/Spanish girls.
Even without hot locals, I'd go to Mexico and chill on a beach somewhere and check out the hot tourists. China would be a close second though. Not really sure why but I've always wanted to go to China.
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