Would you pay $999 for this system?

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: dumpydooby


Okay, you missed the part where I said "this system." Not a comparable system. THIS system. You won't be able to do it for less than $620 with the ability to buy in bulk and no rebates. I guarantee you. The barebones alone are $250 on Newegg.

edit: Just took another look at yours. It's not even comparable. In fact, it sucks.

lol, your quite a funny person. You should specified earlier in the post, but in any case it's ok. Other than that, good luck on building a system for 500 especially being a Shuttle pc.

To be honest, the system I'd built is doing very well quite frankly and it could beat out the current config that you presented in the 1st post. Trust me, i'm no novice, just a smart spender. PC club can even sell better pc configs for under 349.99 (299.99 after rebate)


before going anywhere else....Did you ever heard about:

www.pricewatch.com ???

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: dumpydooby
Okay, you missed the part where I said "this system." Not a comparable system. THIS system. You won't be able to do it for less than $620 with the ability to buy in bulk and no rebates. I guarantee you. The barebones alone are $250 on Newegg.

But everyone here would tell a friend not to buy "this system" because it's not a good value.

Not a strong enough graphics card for gaming, and for someone who doesn't game on a PC a much cheaper Dell will work just fine.

QFT

 

[GamerExpress]

Antec Solution with 400W SmartPower PSU=$75 AR
3000+ Venice=$145
Epox 9npa+ Ultra=$100
Corsair Value select 2x512=$90
Nvidia 6200 128MB GPU=$75
NEC 16x DVD Dual Layer=$42

OK I know it's $527 alltogether here, but it would own that other piece of crap you had there, these are all way better parts then you had listed. It has double the ram here, a better MOBO, way better case, way better graphics and way better DVD Burner.

Compared to that crap listed at $899, this $527 system OWNS it. I didn't even try here I just threw some stuff together, so don't try and make it out now like that thing you have listed is a good deal and challenge us all to beat it.

 

[GamerExpress]

Originally posted by: dumpydooby

Originally posted by: Powermoloch

Originally posted by: dumpydooby

Originally posted by: dguy6789
To be worth a grand, it would at LEAST need 1GB of ram and an x800xl/6800gt level video card.

That's an addional $300 in cost.

I challenge you to build this system for $500. Good luck!

lol I did that already, and built one around less than 500 bucks, and this is the prices 4 months ago. So some stuff are cheaper lately, and could be cheaper !

I'm trying to remember by memory...ok here we go (like mario style) 1st budget pc right before the upgrades

semrpon 3100+ paris : $113
Biostar NF3-250 sock. 754 : $56
2 x 512 mb Pqi DDR 400 : $76
Rosewill case w/ inlcuded psu: $29.99
Chaintech Nvidia 6600 256 mb agp: $139.99
Maxtor Diamond Plus 9 80 Gb ATA133: $61
Asus Quiet Drive CD/CD-RW: $29.99

Total : 505.97 (565.00 + after taxes and shipping)

Okay, you missed the part where I said "this system." Not a comparable system. THIS system. You won't be able to do it for less than $620 with the ability to buy in bulk and no rebates. I guarantee you. The barebones alone are $250 on Newegg.

edit: Just took another look at yours. It's not even comparable. In fact, it sucks.

Who the hell would want that system anyway....it's crap dude!!!!

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: GamerExpress
Antec Solution with 400W SmartPower PSU=$75 AR
3000+ Venice=$145
Epox 9npa+ Ultra=$100
Corsair Value select 2x512=$90
Nvidia 6200 128MB GPU=$75
NEC 16x DVD Dual Layer=$42

OK I know it's $527 alltogether here, but it would own that other piece of crap you had there, these are all way better parts then you had listed. It has double the ram here, a better MOBO, way better case, way better graphics and way better DVD Burner.

Compared to that crap listed at $899, this $527 system OWNS it. I didn't even try here I just threw some stuff together, so don't try and make it out now like that thing you have listed is a good deal and challenge us all to beat it.

that will definitely rape the 1st config. what about replacing the epox to the new Asrock Uli chipset mobo there? saves ya another 32 bucks won't it =P

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: GamerExpress

Originally posted by: dumpydooby

Originally posted by: Powermoloch

Originally posted by: dumpydooby

Originally posted by: dguy6789
To be worth a grand, it would at LEAST need 1GB of ram and an x800xl/6800gt level video card.

That's an addional $300 in cost.

I challenge you to build this system for $500. Good luck!

lol I did that already, and built one around less than 500 bucks, and this is the prices 4 months ago. So some stuff are cheaper lately, and could be cheaper !

I'm trying to remember by memory...ok here we go (like mario style) 1st budget pc right before the upgrades

semrpon 3100+ paris : $113
Biostar NF3-250 sock. 754 : $56
2 x 512 mb Pqi DDR 400 : $76
Rosewill case w/ inlcuded psu: $29.99
Chaintech Nvidia 6600 256 mb agp: $139.99
Maxtor Diamond Plus 9 80 Gb ATA133: $61
Asus Quiet Drive CD/CD-RW: $29.99

Total : 505.97 (565.00 + after taxes and shipping)

Okay, you missed the part where I said "this system." Not a comparable system. THIS system. You won't be able to do it for less than $620 with the ability to buy in bulk and no rebates. I guarantee you. The barebones alone are $250 on Newegg.

edit: Just took another look at yours. It's not even comparable. In fact, it sucks.

Who the hell would want that system anyway....it's crap dude!!!!

Lol like I said, I built it a few months back. When not new technology was not available for the price range. So, I have to give in, not to forget the paris was very attractive. And I have little money then, what can you say eh? I did some upgrades lately, and check my sig.

 

[Cook1]

ewwww

no

 

[dumpydooby]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
Still overpriced, I would rather have my system which you could build for under $1000.

Its non sense to try to sell overpriced tech to a techy, it does not work. Go to the local nursing home and donate that POS.

Maxtor makes the fastest 7200 RPM drives imo but the most unreliable.

Wow okay. You totally didn't read the thread. Nice try, though (I suppose)

 

[Shenkoa]

The truth is, no ones cares about the bundled crap or if its an XPC or not. Here at Anandtech, we would take a faster PC with a less expensive case any day. We can always add that stuff later.

"Computer itself: $899" my system costs about that much AND I KNOW IT WOULD PWN THAT PIECE OF JUNK.

 

[dumpydooby]

Everyone here is perfectly capable of building a super-duper awesome computer AR from multiple suppliers using various haggling methods. But that's not what I'm going for. I don't care that you can build a system that can out-perform the one I presented in post 1. That's irrelivant to me (I frequent this forum. I'm capable of looking up the latest and greatest sources and doing all of that myself).

That said, I will rephrase the first question: Is that system WORTH $899? Using all of the same parts, can you beat that cost? I am incapable of getting it below $686. I will pay anyone here $100 if you can find me this particular system for LESS THAN $500 that is available to be purchased in bulk, with no rebates.


Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[Malladine]

that system absolutely sucks for that price

and what does finding it for less than $500 have to do with that system being worth $899?

I wouldn't shell out $899 for that system, no chance in hell. Someone would though, there's a sucker born...

 

[Shenkoa]

Originally posted by: dumpydooby
Everyone here is perfectly capable of building a super-duper awesome computer AR from multiple suppliers using various haggling methods. But that's not what I'm going for. I don't care that you can build a system that can out-perform the one I presented in post 1. That's irrelivant to me (I frequent this forum. I'm capable of looking up the latest and greatest sources and doing all of that myself).

That said, I will rephrase the first question: Is that system WORTH $899? Using all of the same parts, can you beat that cost? I am incapable of getting it below $686. I will pay anyone here $100 if you can find me this particular system for LESS THAN $500 that is available to be purchased in bulk, with no rebates.


Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I did, but it was laced with crap.

Ok.... Then how is this system a good deal?, ITS NOT !!!!

 

[deathwalker]

Not even close!!

 

[exar333]

its not a horrible system if it comes with a nice SFF case, plus it does come with XP (which is another 100bucks)...

but no, dont buy it....go to ebay, buy a SFF bundle and be much happier...

 

[Ike0069]

Wow, everyone is really bashing the OP. I don't understand why. You guys really need to relax.

First, all the systems I see listed by others have 2 MAJOR flaws for this particular argument.
1. No Windows XP. That's an extra $100.
2. The original configuration is a Shuttle XPC. Even if you don't like SFF's, some people do and you can't compare prices for an ATX MB/case/PSU to a SFF setup. That's apples and oranges.

Now I personally wouldn't pay anywhere near that much for that PC, but I have no use for a SFF PC either. If I did though, I'd want 1MB RAM and a better VC. (plain 6600 at an absolute minium).

Also, maybe look to S754 for a slightly better price/performane. I have no idea if Shuttle makes S754 barebones, but you're money will go farther if they do.

Maybe something like a an A64 2800+, 1 GB RAM, nVidia 6600 for $899 would be more appealing.

 

[dumpydooby]

Same case, same everthing EXCEPT:
1GB RAM
Gigabyte GeForce 6600 256MB (TV/DVI/VGA)
80GB Seagate.

Now how much is it worth? Would you pay $899?


This is assuming that you are in the market for a SFF machine and you are not willing to use your super l337 warez copy of Windows XP. This is going to be in a retail store, I'm not selling this sytem on eBay. I'm not looking to purchase this system for myself.

 

[dumpydooby]

Originally posted by: Ike0069
Wow, everyone is really bashing the OP. I don't understand why. You guys really need to relax.

First, all the systems I see listed by others have 2 MAJOR flaws for this particular argument.
1. No Windows XP. That's an extra $100.
2. The original configuration is a Shuttle XPC. Even if you don't like SFF's, some people do and you can't compare prices for an ATX MB/case/PSU to a SFF setup. That's apples and oranges.

Now I personally wouldn't pay anywhere near that much for that PC, but I have no use for a SFF PC either. If I did though, I'd want 1MB RAM and a better VC. (plain 6600 at an absolute minium).

Also, maybe look to S754 for a slightly better price/performane. I have no idea if Shuttle makes S754 barebones, but you're money will go farther if they do.

Maybe something like a an A64 2800+, 1 GB RAM, nVidia 6600 for $899 would be more appealing.

Thanks. Finally a not-so-flameorific response. I had looked into S754 before and couldn't really find anything that great. The cost of the S754 processors was only $5-10 below the S939 from our supplier (MA Labs). I figured it wasn't that big of a deal to make the switch.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: dumpydooby
That said, I will rephrase the first question: Is that system WORTH $899? Using all of the same parts, can you beat that cost? I am incapable of getting it below $686. I will pay anyone here $100 if you can find me this particular system for LESS THAN $500 that is available to be purchased in bulk, with no rebates.

No, because it is the wrong mix of parts: expensive cube, fast CPU, not enough RAM, lousy $35 graphics card.

You should at a minimum change this to a $999 system and use a 6600GT graphics card instead. It would also be better with a 160 GB drive (Samsung beats Maxtor BTW) and 1 GB of RAM.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: dumpydooby
Same case, same everthing EXCEPT:
1GB RAM
Gigabyte GeForce 6600 256MB (TV/DVI/VGA)
80GB Seagate.

Now how much is it worth? Would you pay $899?


This is assuming that you are in the market for a SFF machine and you are not willing to use your super l337 warez copy of Windows XP. This is going to be in a retail store, I'm not selling this sytem on eBay. I'm not looking to purchase this system for myself.

That's much better. However, $1299 is still expensive for just a printer and peripherals though, though i suppose that depends on the printer.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

No. Because quite regularily, Dell SB has deals where you can get a nicely equipped 4700 with a 19" LCD for around $500.

Now, before you get all uppity and say "oh but Dude That's a Dell, and this is a Super Customized XPC" - keep in mind that you have to convince buyers that being "m4d L3eT" is worth the extra ~$500 on top of a Dell, which they know has a few thousand extra systems to swap in, big fancy service contracts, and legions of supporters.

Edit - My Speiling Is Teh Gudness.

- M4H

 

[Shenkoa]

Word to the wise, delete the original post and start a newer one with a lower price.

 

[reallyscrued]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: dumpydooby
That said, I will rephrase the first question: Is that system WORTH $899? Using all of the same parts, can you beat that cost? I am incapable of getting it below $686. I will pay anyone here $100 if you can find me this particular system for LESS THAN $500 that is available to be purchased in bulk, with no rebates.

No, because it is the wrong mix of parts: expensive cube, fast CPU, not enough RAM, lousy $35 graphics card.

Perfectly Worded.

Basically what they are saying, you probably can't make that system for less than five hundred with those exact parts, because no one in their right mind would USE THOSE EXACT PARTS, but you won't even let these guys finish. Aparently, this is not gaming rig, the 9250 gives it away. Fine, drop the graphics, use onboard, hit up more ram. If you still need more money, drop the CPU also, unless you are doing massive video encoding, the extra hundred dollars for a better cpu just isn't worth it. 899 seems kind of bloated for the stuff they are giving you, XP included. I'm sure you can cut a few more corners. If not, build a SFF yourself, without a damn shuttle case. (What's so great about shuttle's anyway?)

Call me crazy, but I think you began this thread with a set mind already. If you don't want a discussion, don't begin a topic. I can pull BS reasons to justify why someone would want to buy a Sony VIO, but in the end, it comes down to this: You are paying more, for less.

 

[Sunbird]

My idea from reading your post is that this is the price you want to sell configurations like these from a shop your starting or something similar...?

I wouldn't pay that amount of money for that PC, no matter how cute its little box is. But maybe law firms that want to look flashy for their client will, or else a regular smallish black or black/silver PC would do.

Gigabyte and AOpen have some nice small case barebone systems, not SFF, but micro ATX size thin cases.

 

[GamerExpress]

Originally posted by: dumpydooby
Everyone here is perfectly capable of building a super-duper awesome computer AR from multiple suppliers using various haggling methods. But that's not what I'm going for. I don't care that you can build a system that can out-perform the one I presented in post 1. That's irrelivant to me (I frequent this forum. I'm capable of looking up the latest and greatest sources and doing all of that myself).

That said, I will rephrase the first question: Is that system WORTH $899? Using all of the same parts, can you beat that cost? I am incapable of getting it below $686. I will pay anyone here $100 if you can find me this particular system for LESS THAN $500 that is available to be purchased in bulk, with no rebates.


Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

OK then go ahead an waste your money on some junk.....Gratned I paid about $1100 for my system but it blows that crap away!!!!!!!! Even the other system I came up with for $520 on here earlier blows that crap away!!!!!! I guess you seem really set on that exact configuration, I don't know if I can beat that price for those exact parts, and I don't really feel like trying. I won't recomend something like that build to anyone becuase I feel like it would be a injustice to them!!!!

 

[EvlD99]

Dell gets you on the RAM and the graphics cards. They actually start out some of their budget systems with 256 MB ram and a CD-RW. Plus rebates suck.

I think if you wanted to make this computer appealing to the non-gamer / graphics population you should keep the cheap graphics card, drop the hard drive to 80 GB (as you mentioned), keep the RAM at 512, but drop the overall price significantly. I think you should be able to sell them the whole package, LCD and all, for under $1000 and make the profit you are looking for.

Its a given that no one here would buy the computer b/c they know the price of things and would rather build there own. It is useless to argue price appeal to the average consumer when none of the people posting in this topic are average consumers.