Would you help to restrain a possible "terrorist" midflight?

[FoBoT]

yes, i would lay on them to crush the breath from their lungs

 

[Miramonti]

I feel safer now knowing I'm surrounded so many e-heroes in this thread.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: Runes911

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: J0hnny
I wonder what would have happened had the actually managed to open the door midflight. Is it even possible?

The smaller emergency doors are about 2.5 feet by four feet (estimated). That puts them at about 1440 square inches. There's about a 10 PSI difference between the outside and inside of a plane at 30,000 feet. So that's about 7 tons of weight on the door. The larger door, where he most likely was is probably closer to 15 tons of weight.

I'm guessing thats a "no."

Unless the person is Chuck Norris.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: jjsole
I feel safer now knowing I'm surrounded so many e-heroes in this thread.

It's not as much as being an e-hero as much as understanding how mob mentality works. Once the first move is taken, even if that move is incredibly dumb and poorly executed, others are likely to jump in. That's how riots start

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
unless by chance potions of the cabin fail similar to the Air Hawaii deal several years ago.

IMO, there should be some sort of telemetry lock on those doors...i.e. they won't opn at altitude or if the plane is moving at high speed

In that case a cargo door tore off. But even then, only a flight attendant died, all of the passengers (who had thier seatbelts on at the time) survived.

No, actually the whole top of the plane peeled off for about 1/3 of the length of the cabin. Was due to fatigue cracking in the fuselage due to abnormally high number of pressurization cycles experienced by the plane due to the short flights typical among the islands.

http://www.aloha.net/~icarus/

 

[Maxspeed996]

And in this scenario , vigilante justice RULES!!!

 

[NakaNaka]

I'm not a strong guy but if anyone tried to do something like that on a flight, I would be up in a second. Even if I couldn't stop him myself, I would be able to slow him down/restrain him enough to have others help. Oh, and I would kick a guy in the balls if I thought that would be the only way I could stop him.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Maxspeed996
And in this scenario , vigilante justice RULES!!!

what does justice have to do with restraining someone so that the proper authorities can determine the correct "justice" at a later time?

what are you, a terrorist?

 

[pnad]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: J0hnny
I wonder what would have happened had the actually managed to open the door midflight. Is it even possible?

The smaller emergency doors are about 2.5 feet by four feet (estimated). That puts them at about 1440 square inches. There's about a 10 PSI difference between the outside and inside of a plane at 30,000 feet. So that's about 7 tons of weight on the door. The larger door, where he most likely was is probably closer to 15 tons of weight.

That's a lot of pressure indeed, but isn't the inside pressure higher than outside? Meaning it would be easy to open/blow the door out?

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: jjsole
I feel safer now knowing I'm surrounded so many e-heroes in this thread.

It's not as much as being an e-hero as much as understanding how mob mentality works. Once the first move is taken, even if that move is incredibly dumb and poorly executed, others are likely to jump in. That's how riots start

There's the difference...who would have the courage to be the first one to step in. Joining a mob to beat the crap out of a potential threat like that would be easy.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: jjsole
I feel safer now knowing I'm surrounded so many e-heroes in this thread.

its not being an E-hero. at least for me its more of not wanting to die. I can take getting my ass kicked or getting cut. I live with daily pain from health reasons. its easy to ignore once you get used to it. heh

but death? OK I'm a pussy. i admit it. I do not want to die..ever. And if i see someone on a plane doing something I'm going to think back to 9/11. I don't want to be a human missile.

 

[Maxspeed996]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Maxspeed996
And in this scenario , vigilante justice RULES!!!

what does justice have to do with restraining someone so that the proper authorities can determine the correct "justice" at a later time?

what are you, a terrorist?

I hope you were joking. This was more of a "tounge in cheek" statement.

I will say I'm a terrorrist if helping to subdue this wacko , and strapping his monkey A$$ to the drink cart followed by repeated trips up and down the aisle of the place so that every passenger had at least a few chances to whoop on him....ol ladies included. Before we "turned him over to the proper authorities to let them "determine the correct justice at a later time."
Anyone think I'm a terrorrist? Or think I have a bad idea for that matter?

 

[UDT89]

anyone who tries to harm me or my family wont last long.

 

[Turin39789]

I would probably watch him pretend like he could open the door until the air marshalls nabbed him.

 

[yllus]

Yep.

What am I going to do otherwise: Wait for someone else to act, or let him possibly crash the plane? Haven't we all learned pretty early on in teenagerdom that you can't rely on other people when life and limb are at stake? Though being Middle Eastern myself means I'd have to have the clarity of mind to clearly announce my intentions to stop the guy, or I'd probably be taken down myself by everyone else.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: pnad

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: J0hnny
I wonder what would have happened had the actually managed to open the door midflight. Is it even possible?

The smaller emergency doors are about 2.5 feet by four feet (estimated). That puts them at about 1440 square inches. There's about a 10 PSI difference between the outside and inside of a plane at 30,000 feet. So that's about 7 tons of weight on the door. The larger door, where he most likely was is probably closer to 15 tons of weight.

That's a lot of pressure indeed, but isn't the inside pressure higher than outside? Meaning it would be easy to open/blow the door out?

The effective pressure is even lower on the outside because the air is moving past the door at such a high speed... But I guess the door would be held closed by the fact that opening it means that air resistance will push it back.

Edit: unless the door opens downward, rather than like a car door.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: pnad

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: J0hnny
I wonder what would have happened had the actually managed to open the door midflight. Is it even possible?

The smaller emergency doors are about 2.5 feet by four feet (estimated). That puts them at about 1440 square inches. There's about a 10 PSI difference between the outside and inside of a plane at 30,000 feet. So that's about 7 tons of weight on the door. The larger door, where he most likely was is probably closer to 15 tons of weight.

That's a lot of pressure indeed, but isn't the inside pressure higher than outside? Meaning it would be easy to open/blow the door out?

The doors open inwards. Not outwards.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: pnad

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: J0hnny
I wonder what would have happened had the actually managed to open the door midflight. Is it even possible?

The smaller emergency doors are about 2.5 feet by four feet (estimated). That puts them at about 1440 square inches. There's about a 10 PSI difference between the outside and inside of a plane at 30,000 feet. So that's about 7 tons of weight on the door. The larger door, where he most likely was is probably closer to 15 tons of weight.

That's a lot of pressure indeed, but isn't the inside pressure higher than outside? Meaning it would be easy to open/blow the door out?

IIRC, the doors open in first then out.

 

[acemcmac]

At the risk of getting called an e-hero :roll:...

I'd have no problem rushing a guy like that, even if he was bigger than me and even if he was armed- Anything to avoid giving him control of the situation. I would keep fighting with him until either able to start punching him repeatedly in the throat or stabbing him in the throat with one of the fine point pens I typically carry.... either way, I'd keep fighting with him until one of us dies or someone intervienes....

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jjsole
I feel safer now knowing I'm surrounded so many e-heroes in this thread.

its not being an E-hero. at least for me its more of not wanting to die. I can take getting my ass kicked or getting cut. I live with daily pain from health reasons. its easy to ignore once you get used to it. heh

but death? OK I'm a pussy. i admit it. I do not want to die..ever. And if i see someone on a plane doing something I'm going to think back to 9/11. I don't want to be a human missile.

Promises to be a hero are worth less than the time it takes to make them.

The only heroes on that flight were:
1) the flight attendant who called for help
2) the first person who came to her aid.

The rest were opportunists with good intentions at best.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jjsole
I feel safer now knowing I'm surrounded so many e-heroes in this thread.

its not being an E-hero. at least for me its more of not wanting to die. I can take getting my ass kicked or getting cut. I live with daily pain from health reasons. its easy to ignore once you get used to it. heh

but death? OK I'm a pussy. i admit it. I do not want to die..ever. And if i see someone on a plane doing something I'm going to think back to 9/11. I don't want to be a human missile.

Promises to be a hero are worth less than the time it takes to make them.

The only heroes on that flight were:
1) the flight attendant who called for help
2) the first person who came to her aid.

The rest were opportunists.

I can't speak for the rest of ATOT, but I'm a closet psychotic nutjob just looking for a reason to completley snap into a murderous killing spree. I don't think I'd be able to contain myself in the face of terrorists, even at the risk of further endangering everyone. I'd just completley loose it. Ask anyone who knows me. I'm fvcking crazy.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
unless by chance potions of the cabin fail similar to the Air Hawaii deal several years ago.

IMO, there should be some sort of telemetry lock on those doors...i.e. they won't opn at altitude or if the plane is moving at high speed

In that case a cargo door tore off. But even then, only a flight attendant died, all of the passengers (who had thier seatbelts on at the time) survived.

Just for clarity... A whole section of the plane ripped off...

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jjsole
I feel safer now knowing I'm surrounded so many e-heroes in this thread.

its not being an E-hero. at least for me its more of not wanting to die. I can take getting my ass kicked or getting cut. I live with daily pain from health reasons. its easy to ignore once you get used to it. heh

but death? OK I'm a pussy. i admit it. I do not want to die..ever. And if i see someone on a plane doing something I'm going to think back to 9/11. I don't want to be a human missile.

Promises to be a hero are worth less than the time it takes to make them.

The only heroes on that flight were:
1) the flight attendant who called for help
2) the first person who came to her aid.

The rest were opportunists.

I can't speak for the rest of ATOT, but I'm a closet psychotic nutjob just looking for a reason to completley snap into a murderous killing spree. I don't think I'd be able to contain myself in the face of terrorists, even at the risk of further endangering everyone. I'd just completley loose it. Ask anyone who knows me. I'm fvcking crazy.

Thank you for petitioning your case. Parole denied.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Wolfenberger said the man was held down and punched by other passengers as he grabbed the man's leg.

ROFL, get some.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jjsole
I feel safer now knowing I'm surrounded so many e-heroes in this thread.

its not being an E-hero. at least for me its more of not wanting to die. I can take getting my ass kicked or getting cut. I live with daily pain from health reasons. its easy to ignore once you get used to it. heh

but death? OK I'm a pussy. i admit it. I do not want to die..ever. And if i see someone on a plane doing something I'm going to think back to 9/11. I don't want to be a human missile.

Promises to be a hero are worth less than the time it takes to make them.

The only heroes on that flight were:
1) the flight attendant who called for help
2) the first person who came to her aid.

The rest were opportunists.

I can't speak for the rest of ATOT, but I'm a closet psychotic nutjob just looking for a reason to completley snap into a murderous killing spree. I don't think I'd be able to contain myself in the face of terrorists, even at the risk of further endangering everyone. I'd just completley loose it. Ask anyone who knows me. I'm fvcking crazy.

Thank you for petitioning your case. Parole denied.

I'm more concerned about the thugs in my neighborhood anyway