would you help a child who is being abducted? These people wouldn't..

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Nebor
The thing is, you hear kids crying and struggling with their parents all the time. That's what I would assume was going on. Some girl yelling "you're not my dad" would just make me assume it was her step dad, and she hadn't adjusted to that fact.

So yeah, in that situation, I would have strolled on by, it wasn't very conspicuous.

Better safe than sorry. But I have seen kids throw tantrums with parents, so it is a tough call. I will make a mental note to step up if this kind of stuff happens.

 

[Mik3y]

i'm not the type to stand around and watch people get victimized.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: gopunk
i thought the situation with that one woman that they interviewed was kind of ambiguous because the girl didn't say anything she was just making noise... but other than that, yea, wow.

i'd teach my kid to say 'help, i don't know this guy' over 'you're not my dad', because yea, i'd think it was a kid not liking her step-dad. But I woulda probly been like those 2 guys and just stand there, listening, trying to figure out if the kid was a brat or it was a problem.

i wonder if it's even ok if it's the stepdad... obviously not as bad as the kid being abducted, but something still irks me about some random (to the kid) guy suddenly having control and authority over the kid's life.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: Nebor
The thing is, you hear kids crying and struggling with their parents all the time. That's what I would assume was going on. Some girl yelling "you're not my dad" would just make me assume it was her step dad, and she hadn't adjusted to that fact.

So yeah, in that situation, I would have strolled on by, it wasn't very conspicuous.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[KarenMarie]

in 1985, VeggieFrog had an ear infection and at 7PMish, I went to the drug store to get her perscription filled. While I was leaving, a guy was pulling a little girl into a van and she was Screeeching that she wanted her mom. I went back inside and told the pharmacist who called the cops. They arrived while the guy was just leaving the parking lot and pulled him over. I waited in the parking lot to see what happened and when the cops got there, i went over to tell the cops what i had seen. the guy turned out to be her father... who proceeded to yell, scream and curse at me to mind my own fvcking business and what have you. I just said... if someone were stealing your kid, you would pray for someone like me to be around.

the other cop told me i had done the right thing.

 

[everman]

The problem is that kids throw temper tantrums in public all the time, how do you differentiate between that and real danger? Now if I heard a kid like this actually yelling "somebody help me" then that would definitly get me over there. I can't believe so many people didn't bat an eye.

 

[mugs]

Would you all shut the hell up about IE? We get it, you're ubernerds. No need for half the posts in this thread to be about MSNBC requiring IE.

My first thought was that the people probably thought it was the girl's father, but then I watched the video and they made it very clear that he was not her father... It's really sad that so many people just walked by.

Edit: Nebor had a good point about it possibly being the step-father though... I've never been in that situation, but if I was I think I'd approach the guy and ask what's going on... it should quickly become apparant if he's up to no good.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: DaShen

Tends to be the case that people that are more affluent tend to only think about themselves and what they have to do during the day, and less affluent people will step up and take action. It is partly culture though. 😀 Kudos to them.

But wait...JLGatsby said that rich people are better than everyone else, and we should let the poor people die because they're stupid and are dragging the rest of society down. He's a supermodel, so why would he lie?😕

LOL... I think there is a difference from the poor who are working hard and making a living for their kids and the ones who are gang-banging or living off of welfare and not looking for a job.

Of course, I believe in stricter control of welfare and more proactive methods of governmental help. Control the welfare better and switch aid to revamp the neighborhoods. Regulate housing prices, like in New York, so apartment owners cannot raise prices drastically for the poor. Begin setting small neighborhood network/computer sites with a very small staff that is put into the community to find local jobs to fill and work with local business owners. End prohibition laws because they don't work, and by ending them you curttail the financial gain of gangbangers and the like (although I am totally against drugs and the use of it, never even smoked a cigar. although an occassional :beer: is okay). If you take away the financial gain of gangs and drug dealers, they will slowly go away (you can even regulate the durgs by prescription if neccessary). What else is a gang, if you take away the money and violence, but another community. Get churches and community group (urban hip-hop...) active in filling the void for the gang bangers. Have them work in conjunction with the job hunters.

If there was a drastic move for free healthcare, that would not be bad either, but that wouldn't happen, just like the above. <sigh>

 

[preslove]

9 times out of 10 that situation is either a kid having a tantrum, or some damn psychologists/reporters repeating a stupid experiment.

 

[erikistired]

wow as a parent of a 3 year old that's kinda scary. not that i'd let my 3 year old roam the streets alone, but eventually she will and the fact that people noticed and heard her but walked on is a little frightening.

my daughter fusses even now, but "help" and "you're not my dad" certainly aren't things she would normally say.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
in 1985, VeggieFrog had an ear infection and at 7PMish, I went to the drug store to get her perscription filled. While I was leaving, a guy was pulling a little girl into a van and she was Screeeching that she wanted her mom. I went back inside and told the pharmacist who called the cops. They arrived while the guy was just leaving the parking lot and pulled him over. I waited in the parking lot to see what happened and when the cops got there, i went over to tell the cops what i had seen. the guy turned out to be her father... who proceeded to yell, scream and curse at me to mind my own fvcking business and what have you. I just said... if someone were stealing your kid, you would pray for someone like me to be around.

the other cop told me i had done the right thing.

You definitely did the right thing. I would be annoyed a little that I had to be pestered if I was the father, but I would understand and actually say you did the right thing even if I was annoyed.

 

[amicold]

Regardless if it were a true situation and someone were to help, and the guy was the brat's dad the "rescuers" would probably get sued for harassment or some ****** knowing this country.

 

[Viper GTS]

There is a fine line between sending the police after every kid who's throwing a fit and dealing with legitimate abductions.

IMO society has brought this upon themselves, parents raise kids that don't behave properly, society becomes acclimated to screaming little brats, & people tune it out.

I do think it is somewhat irresponsible to pull this kind of stunt because it further acclimates people. Guess what guys, your instinct to ignore it was correct!

Viper GTS

 

[mugs]

I used to work in a convenience store, and one day as a customer was pulling out of the parking lot she stopped and turned to beat on her kids in the back seat of her 80s Camaro. She was really giving it to them good, so we called the cops. About the same time a rather large couple pulls up in a Taurus wagon and steps in. The lady in the mullet-mobile tried to take off, but the lady pulled her out of the car and took her around to the back of the car where she pretty easily restrained her. The husband took the kids out of the Camaro and put them in the Taurus and took off, leaving his wife there to beat on the woman in the Camaro. I don't think more than a minute passed from the start of the incident until there were 4 cop cars in the parking lot, so the guy in the Taurus did not get far. It seemed to me that they were just trying to protect the kids, so hopefully nothing happened to the couple in the Taurus.

 

[TBone48]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
in 1985, VeggieFrog had an ear infection and at 7PMish, I went to the drug store to get her perscription filled. While I was leaving, a guy was pulling a little girl into a van and she was Screeeching that she wanted her mom. I went back inside and told the pharmacist who called the cops. They arrived while the guy was just leaving the parking lot and pulled him over. I waited in the parking lot to see what happened and when the cops got there, i went over to tell the cops what i had seen. the guy turned out to be her father... who proceeded to yell, scream and curse at me to mind my own fvcking business and what have you. I just said... if someone were stealing your kid, you would pray for someone like me to be around.

the other cop told me i had done the right thing.

You absolutely did the right thing. When my oldest daughter was about 2, I saw my wife pull into the parking lot of the convenience store near our house While I was on my way home from work so I pulled in after her to say hi.

She asked if i would stay with the kid while she went inside so I did. I went to the window of the car to talk to my daughter. The manager of the store grabbed my wife and pulled her to the door, saying " Do you know that guy? I'm calling the cops!" and generally freaking out. My wife laughed and told him I was her husband,but we were both really glad that there are people who will do the right thing and try to help people out.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Mik3y
i'm not the type to stand around and watch people get victimized.

That is what you think, but put in the situation, you need to make a conscious choice to not ignore it in this fast paced society.

Example: You ever step around a homeless guy and try to ignore it? Not exactly the same, but similar mentality. I step around them myself unless I know they aren't swindling (I work around the courthouse), and then I will sometimes go and buy some food for them (Even though there are a lot of places like soup kitchens for that, it is sometimes good to have some solid wholesome food). I have been considering even buying a pack of smokes and just handing a cigarette to them, but I feel slightly weird about that (partially because I never had and never will smoke more than likely).

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
There is a fine line between sending the police after every kid who's throwing a fit and dealing with legitimate abductions.

IMO society has brought this upon themselves, parents raise kids that don't behave properly, society becomes acclimated to screaming little brats, & people tune it out.

I do think it is somewhat irresponsible to pull this kind of stunt because it further acclimates people. Guess what guys, your instinct to ignore it was correct!

Viper GTS

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i don't even know how to respond to this...

guess what, you were a screaming brat at one point in your life. so was i. it's called childhood. granted kids are punks these days, but that doesn't change the fact that children have temper tantrums. and their instinct to ignore was in no way correct.

 

[zoiks]

Bah. New Yorkers.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
There is a fine line between sending the police after every kid who's throwing a fit and dealing with legitimate abductions.

IMO society has brought this upon themselves, parents raise kids that don't behave properly, society becomes acclimated to screaming little brats, & people tune it out.

I do think it is somewhat irresponsible to pull this kind of stunt because it further acclimates people. Guess what guys, your instinct to ignore it was correct!

Viper GTS

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i don't even know how to respond to this...

guess what, you were a screaming brat at one point in your life. so was i. it's called childhood. granted kids are punks these days, but that doesn't change the fact that children have temper tantrums. and their instinct to ignore was in no way correct.

I kind of agree with both. Kids today are spoiled brat compared with 20-30 years ago.

But why would you punish a kid for the problems of society? 😕 It is not correct to ignore something like this.

 

[DougK62]

Really disheartening.

Am I the only person not surprised that the white people kept walking by and the black guys finally stepped up?

 

[Sentinel]

Oh ok, yeah 20-30 years ago I'll agree with that, it does seem like there are more brats nowadays.

 

[BriGy86]

im not suprised at all, it seems kids are constantly screeming these days, its pretty much like crying wolf

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: DougK62
Really disheartening.

Am I the only person not surprised that the white people kept walking by and the black guys finally stepped up?

I am to a point. Not suprised teh 2 black kids (looked around 20 to me) were ready to kick ass or the latino was. Im just suprised SO many were willing to walk away OR even around them! its really sad.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: fisher
i don't even know how to respond to this...

guess what, you were a screaming brat at one point in your life. so was i. it's called childhood. granted kids are punks these days, but that doesn't change the fact that children have temper tantrums. and their instinct to ignore was in no way correct.

First off, no I was never a screaming brat. My parents did better than that.

I haven't seen the video (won't work from my internet connection) but from what other people are saying this was a setup "let's see how people respond" type thing right?

You can completely ignore the rest of this if my assumption is wrong.

How can you fault people for their response to a contrived danger? No matter what they tried to make it look like there was no real danger. Add in that most kids can't act worth crap & who's to say if any of us would have done anything.

Viper GTS

 

[HBalzer]

I don't think I?d walk away I am to curious and love getting myself into trouble. However, as I said I blame lawyers for people walking by. Say I jump in and beat the guys to a pulp then as luck would have it the girl was just being a brat and she and her dad are now suing me. I didn?t see the videos but I would have to be pretty sure before I went in swinging.