Would you have sympathy for this person.

[Iron Woode]

seems like a good thread to post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...EdkUCw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...N0&feature=related

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ICRS
This person has a record, and multiple violent felony convictions. This ends up being their 3rd strike and they are sentenced to life inprison. Do you feel justice has been served or was the punishment too harsh.

No...doesn't mean if this was their first offense though I'd be so quick to say that.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: ICRS
This person has a record, and multiple violent felony convictions. This ends up being their 3rd strike and they are sentenced to life inprison. Do you feel justice has been served or was the punishment too harsh.

I don't believe they're mutually exclusive.

The circumstances of their imprisonment are the law, it's what we as a society have deemed acceptable and correct retributive punishment for their transgressions, whether I disagree with that or not does not preclude me having sympathy for the person.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: xboxist
I don't understand why this nation doesn't adopt a law where you're sentenced to life in prison on your first DUI offense. I'm not joking. Do you have any idea how less often people would do this?

Constructively speaking, what IS the reason this hasn't happened yet?

To provide a serious answer to a [] question, find a copy of the bill of rights, shouldn't be hard to do online. Read Amendment Eight. Translation is essentially that punishment shall fit the crime. Life in prison for just driving while drunk doesn't meet that criteria.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: QED
Am I the only one who thinks he should get life in prison even if this was his FIRST offense?

I hope so. Decent people can make bad decisions. Or in the case of drunk driving, really really stupid decisions. But I have a hard time convicting someone to death or life in prison for a first time, non-pre-meditated crime. They should get a long prison sentence (in the range of 10-15 years).

Life in prison and the death penalty should be reserved for repeat offenders that clearly have no intention of changing, as well as the pre-meditating criminals and psychopaths that shouldn't be allowed back in society.

Driving drunk is merely a bad decision!?!? You make it sound like driving drunk is akin to choosing to buy an HD-DVD player instead of Blu-Ray.

Really, there is almost never a "first-time" DUI offender-- just a drunk driver who heretofore hasn't been caught.

Everytime a drunk driver gets behind the wheel, some other unlucky, but innocent, soul's life is at stake. Why can't the drunk driver's life be on the line as well?

Learn to read. I said it was a "really, really stupid decision" and I agreed that they should be punished accordingly. But life in prison or the death penalty are not proper punishments. The crime is not premeditated, nor are they psychopaths. 10-15 years of prison time is a proper punishment, and well in line with any manslaughter charge (assuming they hit and kill another person while driving).

 

[xboxist]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: xboxist
I don't understand why this nation doesn't adopt a law where you're sentenced to life in prison on your first DUI offense. I'm not joking. Do you have any idea how less often people would do this?

Constructively speaking, what IS the reason this hasn't happened yet?

To provide a serious answer to a [] question, find a copy of the bill of rights, shouldn't be hard to do online. Read Amendment Eight. Translation is essentially that punishment shall fit the crime. Life in prison for just driving while drunk doesn't meet that criteria.

"Intent to commit murder" shouldn't be punishable by life in prison? Because that's what each person is doing each time they make the decision to drive while under the influence.

I'm not trying to be juvenile in my reasoning, but drunk drivers piss me the fuck off. Selfish assholes.

 

[Mermaidman]

WWJD? :evil:

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: xboxist
"Intent to commit murder" shouldn't be punishable by life in prison? Because that's what each person is doing each time they make the decision to drive while under the influence.

I'm not trying to be juvenile in my reasoning, but drunk drivers piss me the fuck off. Selfish assholes.

Sorry, but you are being juvenile in your reasoning. Even though driving while drinking may increase someone's chance of committing vehicular manslaughter, that is not intent to commit murder. Under your reasoning, it could be argued that almost any activity is intent to commit murder. Did you speed in your car today? If so, you had the intent to kill.

 

[manowar821]

Drunk driving resulting in manslaughter should be a zero tolerance crime.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Drunk driving resulting in manslaughter should be a zero tolerance crime.

First of all, nothing should be a zero tolerance crime. Second, anyone convicted of manslaughter is likely to be serving some prison time.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
WWJD? :evil:

Weep at the juvenile bloodlust here, then delete his cookies and look for another planet to save.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: manowar821
Drunk driving resulting in manslaughter should be a zero tolerance crime.

First of all, nothing should be a zero tolerance crime. Second, anyone convicted of manslaughter is likely to be serving some prison time.

What in the world are you talking about? In what outlandish circumstances would it ever be LESS retarded to drive while you're drunk? There is no reason for it, ever. Much like how there is no reason to rape a woman, ever. Zero mother fucking tolerance.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: xboxist

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: xboxist
I don't understand why this nation doesn't adopt a law where you're sentenced to life in prison on your first DUI offense. I'm not joking. Do you have any idea how less often people would do this?

Constructively speaking, what IS the reason this hasn't happened yet?

To provide a serious answer to a [] question, find a copy of the bill of rights, shouldn't be hard to do online. Read Amendment Eight. Translation is essentially that punishment shall fit the crime. Life in prison for just driving while drunk doesn't meet that criteria.

"Intent to commit murder" shouldn't be punishable by life in prison? Because that's what each person is doing each time they make the decision to drive while under the influence.

I'm not trying to be juvenile in my reasoning, but drunk drivers piss me the fuck off. Selfish assholes.

Well then you failed. Hyperbole doesn't help any discussion.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: ICRS
Would alcohol addiction treatment and counseling be more appropriate punishments than life imprisons?

If it worked, but even then I'd say he needs to commit himself to helping others through mandatory and substantial volunteer work for the rest of his life. When he gets sick of that or complains, back to prison.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: manowar821
Drunk driving resulting in manslaughter should be a zero tolerance crime.

First of all, nothing should be a zero tolerance crime. Second, anyone convicted of manslaughter is likely to be serving some prison time.

What in the world are you talking about? In what outlandish circumstances would it ever be LESS retarded to drive while you're drunk? There is no reason for it, ever. Much like how there is no reason to rape a woman, ever. Zero mother fucking tolerance.

Having minimum punishments is one thing. But zero tolerance presumes that all cases are equal, which they are not. Each person should be judged as an individual, and they have the right to present a case. While I agree that there is no reason for someone to drink and drive, I also know that there are always exceptions to everything and extenuating circumstances. To ignore such possibilities altogether would be unjust.

 

[daveymark]

drunk drivers are ranked right in the same area as rapists