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Would you consider using birth control "abortion"?

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well by fundamentalist religious definition its certainly sinful and against nature. just as err the catholic church for one.
 
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Gurck

Where'd you get the idea I'm anti-abortion? 😕
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Err... I never got that idea?

I'm just saying that if you consider taking the pill or wearing a condom to be an abortion... that's just pretty fscked up, man. 😛

The truth is that it isn't an abortion, nomatter how you look at it. Sure, the egg is alive.. but if it does not become fertilized in the first place, it is doomed to death anyway.....

Each time you flog the dolphin, are you having a few thousand abortions?... 😛 It's the same thing. Either version is useless by itself.
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The comment about not wanting to kill bacteria did it. In retrospect, actually, I can see where I came off as being anti-abortion, but it wasn't my intention. My feeling is that abortion is no different from having a tumor or malfunctioning gall bladder / appendix / tonsils removed, etc., and see nothing wrong with it, and that there's no difference between having the embryo there and later removed and not having it there at all, if the end result is the same. And obviously I'm not going by the dictionary's entry for abortion. I find it funny that anti-abortionists bitch & moan so much when if they truly believed in their cause they'd be porking 24/7 - consentual or not. Otherwise they're just seeking power and control over others' behavior and abortion is no more than an issue with which they feel they have a good chance at success.

ps: abstinence from sex & masturbation is still wasting sperm - it's produced in the body and eventually dies and is reabsorbed.
 
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Eavan
for some of us, it just isn't effective.

abstinence requires willpower.
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That's what I said. Abstinence is only effective for humans.
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Humans who have no possibility of getting sex anyway...which may apply to a high percentage of ATOTers. I'm married. 😀
 
Originally posted by: RaiderJ
Are you one of those people that doesen't clean their toilet bowl because you feel sorry for all the bacteria you're going to kill?
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LOL!

Is "killing" virii ok?
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You mean viruses? 😉 At any rate, yes, scroll up & read my last response.
 
Originally posted by: Eavan
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Eavan
for some of us, it just isn't effective.

abstinence requires willpower.
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That's what I said. Abstinence is only effective for humans.
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Humans who have no possibility of getting sex anyway...which may apply to a high percentage of ATOTers. I'm married. 😀
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Humans can control themselves.

You're married though, so you don't count. 😛
 
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Originally posted by: Gurck
My feeling is that abortion is no different from having a tumor or malfunctioning gall bladder / appendix / tonsils removed, etc.,
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Once you see an ultrasound of your baby in your wife's womb... I hope (and bet) you don't feel the same way.

 
Originally posted by: Wingznut
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Originally posted by: Gurck
My feeling is that abortion is no different from having a tumor or malfunctioning gall bladder / appendix / tonsils removed, etc.,
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Once you see an ultrasound of your baby in your wife's womb... I hope (and bet) you don't feel the same way.
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Nothing wrong with not aborting either, if you feel that way. That's why being ok with it is termed "pro-choice" and not "pro-abortion" 😉 At any rate, I doubt I would; it's just not how I'm wired.
 
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Wingznut
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Originally posted by: Gurck
My feeling is that abortion is no different from having a tumor or malfunctioning gall bladder / appendix / tonsils removed, etc.,
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Once you see an ultrasound of your baby in your wife's womb... I hope (and bet) you don't feel the same way.
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Nothing wrong with not aborting either, if you feel that way. That's why being ok with it is termed "pro-choice" and not "pro-abortion" 😉 At any rate, I doubt I would; it's just not how I'm wired.
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I felt the same way before becoming a father.


 
Originally posted by: Wingznut
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Once you see an ultrasound of your baby in your wife's womb... I hope (and bet) you don't feel the same way.
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Quite different when it gets sentience.
 
Originally posted by: Wingznut
I felt the same way before becoming a father.
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I'd want to kill myself if I found out my dad was also my grandfather and my mom is also my sister.
 
Originally posted by: Howard
Depends on if the egg is fertilized.
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Right. some of the morons here who says NO is discounting the fact that certain pills would make the lining of the 'gina unplantable by "fertilized" egg. Which will cause it to abort.

So the real answer should be Yes to certain pills, and no to everything else. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Pepsei
Originally posted by: Howard
Depends on if the egg is fertilized.
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Right. some of the morons here who says NO is discounting the fact that certain pills would make the lining of the 'gina unplantable by "fertilized" egg. Which will cause it to abort.

So the real answer should be Yes to certain pills, and no to everything else. 😉
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some other morons discount the fact that the cases where a fertilized egg will fail to implant due to the bc pill are very few and far between. it's like saying that driving a car is committing suicide because once in a blue moon some motorist gets in an accident and dies.

you can pretty much safely assume that if the egg is already fertilized, taking the bc pill will do nothing, whereas if the egg has not been fertilized, the bc pill will prevent it from getting fertilized. this is why the morning after pill has decreased effectiveness over time, because over time, the likelihood that the egg has already gotten fertilized increases. once it gets fertilized, you're out of luck.
 
Originally posted by: Howard
Depends on if the egg is fertilized.
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Generally considered as conception.
In this regard, any birth control before conception is not aborting the fetus, zygote, potential human, or whatever term you prefer; thus it is not an abortion.
 
I think anyone who gives a flying f!ck about one another's life and if they choose to take birth control/have an abortion/f!ck the easter bunny needs to have their f!cking organs pulled out of their body and have it be forced down their throat while having each and every part of them torn off with an xacto knife.
 
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