Mr.IncrediblyBored
Lifer
Please tell me this is a joke.
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Would you buy a Gas/Electric Hybrid?
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That could change...the D/E Loco link I posted was a joke, but it had a point. Locomotives run entirely off electricity. They use the diesel engine for a generator, but the actual drive motors of the Locomotive are completely electric.
Now there is no reasonable way to get that sort of portable electricity into a car right now, but the future could change that.
Turin39789
Lifer
at low $20k for a car that has less than 100 hp.
something just doesn't sound right.
no?
at that price range... i think i'd rather go with diesel engine cars.
like vw's.
hopefully, when the price drops around a bit more...
i'd consider it.
take civic hybrid for example.
it's a $14k car with battery. (i know i'm over simplifying)
and they charge $7-8k more just for that.
i guess you really have to love saving money on gas to spend that much up front.
something just doesn't sound right.
no?
at that price range... i think i'd rather go with diesel engine cars.
like vw's.
hopefully, when the price drops around a bit more...
i'd consider it.
take civic hybrid for example.
it's a $14k car with battery. (i know i'm over simplifying)
and they charge $7-8k more just for that.
i guess you really have to love saving money on gas to spend that much up front.
TheMadKnightSirSlamb
Junior Member
Just remember that they hybrids are under deveolped until recently (Being the last 3 years)
and so far the have surpased the performance of normal cars, and from what i have seen the trucks have more HP than your standard truck
and so far the have surpased the performance of normal cars, and from what i have seen the trucks have more HP than your standard truck
SuperCyrix
Platinum Member
What's the point of having an electric car?
You plug it in and you pay more for your power bill right?
You get the electricity from the power company and they burn more oil to generate the extra power needed
Don't you have to change the batteries like once a year which should cost alot?
You plug it in and you pay more for your power bill right?
You get the electricity from the power company and they burn more oil to generate the extra power needed
Don't you have to change the batteries like once a year which should cost alot?
Only if it could be charged from the mains electricity, and used a diesel rather than gasoline engine.
The prius doesn't offer any benefit in fuel consumption, and is far more complex, costlier to buy and maintain, than a conventional diesel engined car. It produces the same amount of CO2, and no less other noxious pollutants than the new generation of diesel engined cars with particulate traps and catalytic converters, while at the same time offering lower performance.
A lot of people use their cars for slow, short distance commuting - e.g. 8-10 miles each way through heavy traffic in cities - these cars could offer a major reduction in pollution if each night the car could be plugged into the mains for recharging, instead of running on combustion power for at least some of the journey.
To me, it seems like these cars are technology for technology's sake rather than a good solution to the problem of pollution.
The prius doesn't offer any benefit in fuel consumption, and is far more complex, costlier to buy and maintain, than a conventional diesel engined car. It produces the same amount of CO2, and no less other noxious pollutants than the new generation of diesel engined cars with particulate traps and catalytic converters, while at the same time offering lower performance.
A lot of people use their cars for slow, short distance commuting - e.g. 8-10 miles each way through heavy traffic in cities - these cars could offer a major reduction in pollution if each night the car could be plugged into the mains for recharging, instead of running on combustion power for at least some of the journey.
To me, it seems like these cars are technology for technology's sake rather than a good solution to the problem of pollution.
IIRC, your milage goes down if the batteries don't have a chance to re-energize themselves. The charging is done through regenerative breaking, and coasting when the engine isn't at work. If you are driving on a flat surface, or up hill the whole time, the batteries do not get recharged and you have to work off of the gas motor. I remember reading a review where the testers took a car on a 100+ mile trip and they only averaged around 50MPG instead of the 70 advertised because the car didn't have a chance to recharge itself.
A fully gasoline powered honda civix HX or a diesel powered VW TDi can hit 45 MPG under normal driving, and for sustained periods of time, and cost thousands less than the hybrids. I don't really consider a hybrid an intelligent, or logical choice when you consider the Civic HX or TDi's.
You only have to charge the battery once, when it leaves the factory. All subsequent charges are made by the vehicle electical sytem. These are not pure electric cars and do not need to be "plugged in". Plus, batteries do not have to be thrown away. They can be reconditioned and used for other things. They typically don't have their previous capacity when reconditioned, but can still be used functionally for other purposes such as helping power homes with solar electricity. And I have a question, are the chemicals in batteries any more dangerous than gasoline and the DAILY pollutants gas cars put into our air? I doubt that car wrecks could have a fraction of the environmental impact of daily emissions.
Agree, but its overpriced because its relatively new technology. Gasoline and Diesel engines have been around for over 100 years. The price will come down when public demand causes manufacturers to convert production to this technology. This is no different than why computer components come down in price after they have been on the market for awhile.
And, many hybrid designs INCLUDE diesel engines because smaller gas engines don't have enough torque. They are not all gas designs, though many of the ones sold are because the US prefers gas to diesel. By the way, diesel burns less clean than gasoline, which is one reason US automakers have not switched primarily to diesel technology in most models like some contries have.
Mr.IncrediblyBored
Lifer
I think you missed my point.
Frosty3799
Diamond Member
if i traveled a lot, then i would. it would be great to pay 2-3 times less for gas
There's a whole lot more to the Toyota Prius than just gas mileage. What I liked most was how quiet it is. If you accelerate normally, the thing is on the battery till about 26mph...then the gas eng starts, but you really can't tell. Driving around town the gas eng shuts off when you decell, stays off at a stop-sign. Amazingly the AC stays working (electric compressor)..power steering also. On a parking lot you're on the batteries....it's so quiet, the manual warns you to be careful, because the thing makes almost no noise. At 20k it's a good deal...in Japan the same car goes for about 30k. They are subsidizing the price over here to get them on the road.
Ladies Man
Platinum Member
do they have big block hybrids yet? 🙂
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