Would You Bomb A School?

[Czar]

http://www.videosift.com/video...ould-You-Bomb-A-School

He goes into if it matters if an indevidual kills people or if a state kills people. It seems that for some it does matter, its either brutal murder or colladeral damage, either bad or it doesnt matter.

Why is there a gap ??!?

Is the reality of Eddie Izzard realy acceptable?

Watch the full video before replying please.

 

[Vette73]

"Would You Bomb A School?"


If someone was shooting from the school toward my family then yes.
Which, by witness's account, was the case when the school was bombed in your biased little link.

 

[StageLeft]

I'd prefer to avoid it.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
"Would You Bomb A School?"


If someone was shooting from the school toward my family then yes.
Which, by witness's account, was the case when the school was bombed in your biased little link.

But if you just "thought" someone was shooting from the area where the school is.... would you bomb it?

 

[Skitzer]

oh come on ......... now you're stretching it a bit aren't you?

 

[Anubis]

Q: Would You Bomb A School?

A: Yes


Why: Simple I don?t buy into any of the rules of war crap, IMO you do anything and everything you need to win. If that means you kidnap the kids of the other side?s leaders and send them back in pieces wrapped in lil boxes so be it.

 

[amdhunter]

A: Yes. As long as it has people I have zero tolerance for.

 

[Czar]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uWP0GU0wVSk
"John Ging, the head of the UN relief and works agency in Gaza, has said Israel were given the GPS and knew the building was a School."


There are no excuses for isreal and there are no excuses if the palestinians do the same.

 

[Born2bwire]

What's so bloody special about a school? It's just a building, what matters are who are the people inside it.

 

[SamurAchzar]

So instead of confronting Hamas about using schools as shelters (not to mention their vast explosives deployment throughout the neighborhoods of Gaza), you are accusing Israel of intentionally firing back?

Do you think Israel shot at it to kill Palestinian children, or to fire back at a launch site? If it's the former, then obviously your viewpoint is so skewed there's no use to continue this discussion. If it's the latter, well, it's debatable. Don't forget the modern "ethics of war" were written at a time the world didn't know what is extremist Islam, children and women on a suicide mission and taking shelter among civilian population.

 

[palehorse]

A: Yes! but, only if I am receiving enemy fire from the location. Even then, I would try to use precision fire to avoid civilian casualties to the best of my ability.

War is hell.

I've seen men die because permission to return fire on a "protected site" was denied. To me, that's entirely unacceptable and unforgivable.

The blame here lies primarily on the immoral/evil bastards who would use such locations as cover - and- on those in the world who refuse to condemn them for doing so.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
So instead of confronting Hamas about using schools as shelters (not to mention their vast explosives deployment throughout the neighborhoods of Gaza), you are accusing Israel of intentionally firing back?

Do you think Israel shot at it to kill Palestinian children, or to fire back at a launch site? If it's the former, then obviously your viewpoint is so skewed there's no use to continue this discussion. If it's the latter, well, it's debatable. Don't forget the modern "ethics of war" were written at a time the world didn't know what is extremist Islam, children and women on a suicide mission and taking shelter among civilian population.

Why would there be children in a school during this military action? That just doesn't make sense.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
So instead of confronting Hamas about using schools as shelters (not to mention their vast explosives deployment throughout the neighborhoods of Gaza), you are accusing Israel of intentionally firing back?

Do you think Israel shot at it to kill Palestinian children, or to fire back at a launch site? If it's the former, then obviously your viewpoint is so skewed there's no use to continue this discussion. If it's the latter, well, it's debatable. Don't forget the modern "ethics of war" were written at a time the world didn't know what is extremist Islam, children and women on a suicide mission and taking shelter among civilian population.

Why would there be children in a school during this military action? That just doesn't make sense.

Because it was a shelter.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
So instead of confronting Hamas about using schools as shelters (not to mention their vast explosives deployment throughout the neighborhoods of Gaza), you are accusing Israel of intentionally firing back?

Do you think Israel shot at it to kill Palestinian children, or to fire back at a launch site? If it's the former, then obviously your viewpoint is so skewed there's no use to continue this discussion. If it's the latter, well, it's debatable. Don't forget the modern "ethics of war" were written at a time the world didn't know what is extremist Islam, children and women on a suicide mission and taking shelter among civilian population.

Why would there be children in a school during this military action? That just doesn't make sense.

Because it was a shelter.

Human shields FTL - everyone's loss.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
So instead of confronting Hamas about using schools as shelters (not to mention their vast explosives deployment throughout the neighborhoods of Gaza), you are accusing Israel of intentionally firing back?

Do you think Israel shot at it to kill Palestinian children, or to fire back at a launch site? If it's the former, then obviously your viewpoint is so skewed there's no use to continue this discussion. If it's the latter, well, it's debatable. Don't forget the modern "ethics of war" were written at a time the world didn't know what is extremist Islam, children and women on a suicide mission and taking shelter among civilian population.

Why would there be children in a school during this military action? That just doesn't make sense.

Because it was a shelter.

Human shields FTL - everyone's loss.

It was a UN run shelter


What about the other story then, Israel rounds up civilians and tells them to stay inside one building for their own safety, about a day later they blow up the building killing at least 30 people.

 

[IronWing]

I'd run through a Jedi nursery swinging my lightsaber in order to maintain my position of power and priviledge.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
So instead of confronting Hamas about using schools as shelters (not to mention their vast explosives deployment throughout the neighborhoods of Gaza), you are accusing Israel of intentionally firing back?

Do you think Israel shot at it to kill Palestinian children, or to fire back at a launch site? If it's the former, then obviously your viewpoint is so skewed there's no use to continue this discussion. If it's the latter, well, it's debatable. Don't forget the modern "ethics of war" were written at a time the world didn't know what is extremist Islam, children and women on a suicide mission and taking shelter among civilian population.

Why would there be children in a school during this military action? That just doesn't make sense.

Because it was a shelter.

Human shields FTL - everyone's loss.

It was a UN run shelter


What about the other story then, Israel rounds up civilians and tells them to stay inside one building for their own safety, about a day later they blow up the building killing at least 30 people.

Wait...if it was a UN run shelter, how were the Israelis the ones rounding them up?

If the shelter ended up being used to launch rockets or stockpile weapons, then the UN did a bad job of running the shelter. I'm not saying that it was used for said purposes, but IF it was, then it would be a legitimate target of war.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
So instead of confronting Hamas about using schools as shelters (not to mention their vast explosives deployment throughout the neighborhoods of Gaza), you are accusing Israel of intentionally firing back?

Do you think Israel shot at it to kill Palestinian children, or to fire back at a launch site? If it's the former, then obviously your viewpoint is so skewed there's no use to continue this discussion. If it's the latter, well, it's debatable. Don't forget the modern "ethics of war" were written at a time the world didn't know what is extremist Islam, children and women on a suicide mission and taking shelter among civilian population.

Why would there be children in a school during this military action? That just doesn't make sense.

Because it was a shelter.

Human shields FTL - everyone's loss.

It was a UN run shelter


What about the other story then, Israel rounds up civilians and tells them to stay inside one building for their own safety, about a day later they blow up the building killing at least 30 people.

Do you have any credible source for that? And again, do you think it was a mistake, or intentional? And if it's a mistake, what can you do?

Don't you think that the path of granting immunity to terrorist groups operating from within cooperative population isn't viable? Where do you draw the line?

If the top of AQ were to conduct a meeting inside a 10 story building, with the tenants of the building well aware to their presence, and you knew that would be your only chance to get them, would you? It's saddening, but when they cooperate, they no longer are civilians. You don't need to be armed in order to be a participant, as Gaza shows.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: ironwing
I'd run through a Jedi nursery swinging my lightsaber in order to maintain my position of power and priviledge.

...and to maintain/save my imagination and the awesomeness of the SW franchise, I would go back in time and hit George Lucas with a shovel to make sure that the prequels were not produced.

 

[SpunkyJones]

Yes.

 

[Ozoned]

I remember a bit about Hamas goes to hospital and shoots the injured.


If I were a Hamas leader, and knew that public opinion was the only effective weapon I had, I would follow the IDF forces around and make them look bad. Hey look, they rounded up a bunch of civillians and put them in that school, Start shelling it.

Then again, I am sure Israel's rules of engagement allows them to do what this story alleges. :roll:

 

[ZzZGuy]

@OP
Hamas was using that UN school as a human shield. They have shown a pattern of endangering their own people not only for protection, but as a publicity STUNT. You cry murder at Israel when they attack the terrorists and kill several civilians that hamas have placed themselves in close proximity to (children make the best shields), but you encourage hamas to continue. You want more civilian deaths, you can say otherwise but you would be lying.

Think about what it would mean to allow human shields to be a effective tool. Will you clap if you saw a hamas fighter with a baby strapped to his chest shooting at Israeli civilians with impunity? This is your idea of right.

Israel is not without fault in this conflict, but the other side is not a bunch of saints either.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
So instead of confronting Hamas about using schools as shelters (not to mention their vast explosives deployment throughout the neighborhoods of Gaza), you are accusing Israel of intentionally firing back?

Do you think Israel shot at it to kill Palestinian children, or to fire back at a launch site? If it's the former, then obviously your viewpoint is so skewed there's no use to continue this discussion. If it's the latter, well, it's debatable. Don't forget the modern "ethics of war" were written at a time the world didn't know what is extremist Islam, children and women on a suicide mission and taking shelter among civilian population.

Why would there be children in a school during this military action? That just doesn't make sense.

Because it was a shelter.

Human shields FTL - everyone's loss.

It was a UN run shelter


What about the other story then, Israel rounds up civilians and tells them to stay inside one building for their own safety, about a day later they blow up the building killing at least 30 people.

Do you have any credible source for that? And again, do you think it was a mistake, or intentional? And if it's a mistake, what can you do?

Don't you think that the path of granting immunity to terrorist groups operating from within cooperative population isn't viable? Where do you draw the line?

If the top of AQ were to conduct a meeting inside a 10 story building, with the tenants of the building well aware to their presence, and you knew that would be your only chance to get them, would you? It's saddening, but when they cooperate, they no longer are civilians. You don't need to be armed in order to be a participant, as Gaza shows.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7819492.stm
http://mbl.is/mm/frettir/erlen...du_hus_fullt_af_folki/ (watch the rauters video there)

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
@OP
Hamas was using that UN school as a human shield. They have shown a pattern of endangering their own people not only for protection, but as a publicity STUNT. You cry murder at Israel when they attack the terrorists and kill several civilians that hamas have placed themselves in close proximity to (children make the best shields), but you encourage hamas to continue. You want more civilian deaths, you can say otherwise but you would be lying.

Think about what it would mean to allow human shields to be a effective tool. Will you clap if you saw a hamas fighter with a baby strapped to his chest shooting at Israeli civilians with impunity? This is your idea of right.

Israel is not without fault in this conflict, but the other side is not a bunch of saints either.

Israel has not offered any proof of that, and are not so forthcoming in doing so at all.
http://www.videosift.com/video...an-nailed-by-AlJazeera

 

[ericlp]

we do have a isreal thread, post this garbage in there.