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mattjbak

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These are PMs relating to a discussion about the sale of my item. I refuse to ship first because I don't want to get burned... Do i really deserve this kind of response? PMs are seperated by the spaces...




I can't ship first, I've been burned once on the net and don't plan to be again.
Thank you though,
Matthew Baker


Good luck then. Shipping first to established traders is a normal practice on Anandtech. I have quite a bit more references built up. It would be foolish to hand over such a large amount of money to someone with very little references.


Don't talk to me like I'm an idiot or unestablished trader. I have 10 heatware references, with more on the way. That added to the 30 ebay feedback I have built up. Do not act like that is little, as it is more than 75% of the people trading on this forum have. If you are trying to rip me off go away, but your mediocre feedback count compared to many doesn't give you the right to demand a backwards form of trading only seen on a few webboards and used by many scam artists.
Matthew Baker


Haha... your puny little 10 feedback doesnt give you the right to demand payment first. I have over 30 positive heatware and over 70 positive eBay feedback. Add those together and it is almost TRIPLE your references. I smell troll here. Go try to rip someone else off TROLL. ****** douchebag.


How does it work on ebay? Or anywhere retail or not... the trader gets paid and then delivers the goods. It's an established system. The fact that you have to resort to foolish namecalling makes me feel glad that I didn't deal with you in any way.
You're a sad person,
M.B.


The fact you are trying to troll on internet trading boards and acting like a complete retard makes me sad that people like you are even allowed into this community. My trading past is a perfect record, and if you would have bothered to check, people have shipped to me first on many different transactions. But no. You wanted to act like you knew something, like you were some big hot shot.
Guess what. This isn't eBay either. eBay I have a large company backing me up in case anything goes wrong. There are procedures to file fradulent seller claims etc. On internet trading boards there isn't any of that. So all we GOOD traders have is heatware to demonstrate our reliability. Which you have VERY LITTLE OF. Get that through your head moron.
You aren't going to be selling your crap here any time soon with that ****** attitude of yours. Get a clue. I've put you on my Do NOT trade list, and my ignore list here on Anandtech. Idiot.




 
WTF is his problem? The buyer pays first and that's that.

This is an ANONYMOUS INTERNET FORUM, a history of ebay feedback and good heat doesn't mean jack if someone wants to become a scammer. There are countless instances of people building up good feedback and then robbing people blind. Rinse and repeat

If he doesn't want to pay first, which is standard on most forums and in most mediums, then I suggest you look elsewhere for a buyer.
 
the name calling is definitely not called for.

If an agreement could not be reached the deal should just be amicable voided.

And 30 heatware is not alot really either so his attitude is slightly puzzling.
 
Originally posted by: Eeezee
WTF is his problem? The buyer pays first and that's that.

This is an ANONYMOUS INTERNET FORUM, a history of ebay feedback and good heat doesn't mean jack if someone wants to become a scammer. There are countless instances of people building up good feedback and then robbing people blind. Rinse and repeat

If he doesn't want to pay first, which is standard on most forums and in most mediums, then I suggest you look elsewhere for a buyer.
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You obviously don't trade much on here. Heatware references are much more powerful than ebay which IMHO are pointless on here for the most part. You should be willing to ship first but that trader has no right to treat you like they did.
 
Didnt read the whole post.....
But if the guy doesnt want to ship forst he doesnt have to, jsut because you have more heat than him, by 10 or 100 it doesnt matter. But you also have the right not to deal with someone like that either.

Josh
 
IMO you are the one that started with the negativity.

I tend to agree with the buyer (somewhat) if he has a considerable amount of good heat ware and you have little, then at the least I would want to cross ship. You are after all somewhat new here. As to the buyer, if he has been here a LONG time and has good heat, I would expect you to ship first or cross ship.

However, if this doesn't sit well with you, you can always sell to someone else.
 
after your first response i didn't read any further, too much hostility and i think the sale should be cancelled as it is going to go bad.

if he has 30 heatware and you have 10, then i would consider you both equal, if he had 200 heatware and you had 10 then there would be a issue where you may need to ship first.

i only have 6 heatware and don't know if i would ship first unless somebody had at least 50 and quite a few of ebay, as i have 480 on ebay with a 99.4% positive rate.

the two (heatware/ebay), imo tell a tale of the person.
 
Originally posted by: Eghck
the first sentence of your fist response pretty much set the tone for the rest of the conversation...
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Yup don't start what you can't finish.

BTW with 10 feedbacks you'd probably be shipping first to me too.

I do like how he is waving his 30 heatware around like he's something special though.

:roll:

Viper GTS
 
Originally posted by: mattjbak
Am I out of line at any point? I felt insulted, especially by being called a troll.... Ridiculous.
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[ignorance deleted]. it's certainly your right to point out to other traders that this person is very hostile/abusive and should be avoided like the plague.
 
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: mattjbak
Am I out of line at any point? I felt insulted, especially by being called a troll.... Ridiculous.
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no, you're not out of line... infact, leave him some heatware. you don't have to do a transaction to leave neutral or negative heat. it's certainly your right to point out to other traders that this person is very hostile/abusive and should be avoided like the plague.
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Umm you don't leave heat for a deal that never happened.

And the prospective buyer was very polite until our resident idiot here decided to pull out his attitude.

WTF is with all the damn newbie traders around here.

You've been here 6 months, I've been here 6 YEARS.

Yes you can ship first.

Viper GTS
 
Sounds like a d1ck to me, but you also were a bit of an ass with your first retort.

Its your gear, if you dont want to ship first, you dont have to. End of story.

 
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: mattjbak
Am I out of line at any point? I felt insulted, especially by being called a troll.... Ridiculous.
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no, you're not out of line... infact, leave him some heatware. you don't have to do a transaction to leave neutral or negative heat. it's certainly your right to point out to other traders that this person is very hostile/abusive and should be avoided like the plague.
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Absolutely bad advice. You cannot leave heatware for a deal that never happened. Read this from the site:

A user backed out of the deal, can I still write an evaluation?

If one party backs out of the deal even after a verbal agreement has been made, NO evaluation can be given to either party. If no goods or money was exchanged, the "deal" is not eligible for evaluation. If you have received an evaluation for a "deal" that did not take place, please contact us.
 
i got as far as:

"Good luck then. Shipping first to established traders is a normal practice on Anandtech."

and knew what was coming...

it is your property and it is your choice on whether or not you want to ship first. Most of the established, long time traders here might request that you ship first if you are new or have had problems. i highly doubt any of then would demand it... nor would they treat you as this guy has. and IF an established trader asks you to ship first, and you refuse... they might let the deal go, but they would nver bully or belittle you.

Do not let anyone bully you.

:|
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i got as far as:

"Good luck then. Shipping first to established traders is a normal practice on Anandtech."

and knew what was coming...

it is your property and it is your choice on whether or not you want to ship first. Most of the established, long time traders here might request that you ship first if you are new or have had problems. i highly doubt any of then would demand it... nor would they treat you as this guy has. and IF an established trader asks you to ship first, and you refuse... they might let the deal go, but they would nver bully or belittle you.

Do not let anyone bully you.

:|
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Granted, the person was out of line, but mattjbak set the tone with his original PM, implying that the trader was a possible scammer.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i got as far as:

"Good luck then. Shipping first to established traders is a normal practice on Anandtech."

and knew what was coming...

it is your property and it is your choice on whether or not you want to ship first. Most of the established, long time traders here might request that you ship first if you are new or have had problems. i highly doubt any of then would demand it... nor would they treat you as this guy has. and IF an established trader asks you to ship first, and you refuse... they might let the deal go, but they would nver bully or belittle you.

Do not let anyone bully you.

:|
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You are absolutely correct but a simple "OK have a nice day" would have been the end of it.

Instead the OP decided to tear into his prospective buyer, & bitches here when the buyer responds in kind.

Nobody can force you to ship first, but around here it is common practice. I generally am pretty flexible but depending on the dollar amount 10 feedback isn't that much.

And responding that way is GUARANTEED to earn you the finger from me & my trading dollar.

Viper GTS
 
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: mattjbak
Am I out of line at any point? I felt insulted, especially by being called a troll.... Ridiculous.
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no, you're not out of line... infact, leave him some heatware. you don't have to do a transaction to leave neutral or negative heat. it's certainly your right to point out to other traders that this person is very hostile/abusive and should be avoided like the plague.
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You are absolutely and 100% incorrect. The answer is a complete 180 degrees from your statement.
 
Originally posted by: mattjbak
These are PMs relating to a discussion about the sale of my item. I refuse to ship first because I don't want to get burned... Do i really deserve this kind of response? PMs are seperated by the spaces...




I can't ship first, I've been burned once on the net and don't plan to be again.
Thank you though,
Matthew Baker


Good luck then. Shipping first to established traders is a normal practice on Anandtech. I have quite a bit more references built up. It would be foolish to hand over such a large amount of money to someone with very little references.


Don't talk to me like I'm an idiot or unestablished trader. I have 10 heatware references, with more on the way. That added to the 30 ebay feedback I have built up. Do not act like that is little, as it is more than 75% of the people trading on this forum have. If you are trying to rip me off go away, but your mediocre feedback count compared to many doesn't give you the right to demand a backwards form of trading only seen on a few webboards and used by many scam artists.
Matthew Baker


Haha... your puny little 10 feedback doesnt give you the right to demand payment first. I have over 30 positive heatware and over 70 positive eBay feedback. Add those together and it is almost TRIPLE your references. I smell troll here. Go try to rip someone else off TROLL. ****** douchebag.


How does it work on ebay? Or anywhere retail or not... the trader gets paid and then delivers the goods. It's an established system. The fact that you have to resort to foolish namecalling makes me feel glad that I didn't deal with you in any way.
You're a sad person,
M.B.


The fact you are trying to troll on internet trading boards and acting like a complete retard makes me sad that people like you are even allowed into this community. My trading past is a perfect record, and if you would have bothered to check, people have shipped to me first on many different transactions. But no. You wanted to act like you knew something, like you were some big hot shot.
Guess what. This isn't eBay either. eBay I have a large company backing me up in case anything goes wrong. There are procedures to file fradulent seller claims etc. On internet trading boards there isn't any of that. So all we GOOD traders have is heatware to demonstrate our reliability. Which you have VERY LITTLE OF. Get that through your head moron.
You aren't going to be selling your crap here any time soon with that ****** attitude of yours. Get a clue. I've put you on my Do NOT trade list, and my ignore list here on Anandtech. Idiot.
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1. You started the whole hostility. If you didn't want to ship first, you should have just said, "Ok Thanks for the tip, but I don't want to get burned".

2. He also sounds pretty arrogant thinking he's so much better than you in terms of heat and "established-ness".

3. Just forget about it and move on. You'll find another buyer who will pay first.
 
Big J and ViperGTS....

the original PM from the OP said that he had been burned before and preferred not to ship first. he told the buyer... thanks though....

it was the buyer who came back... all sarcastic. if he did not want to trade with someone who would not ship first, he could have just let it go. he did not have to come back, like he did, and try to push the issue. and while it may be common, it is not up to the buyer to say it is normal. whatever the buyer and seller agree upon is normal... and it is not like it is a trader with high heatware either.

the op got pissed and should have just ignored the buyers PM. granted... he was wrong to respond at all.

the name calling and bullying was way out of line.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Big J and ViperGTS....

the original PM from the OP said that he had been burned before and preferred not to ship first. he told the buyer... thanks though....

it was the buyer who came back... all sarcastic. if he did not want to trade with someone who would not ship first, he could have just let it go. he did not have to come back, like he did, and try to push the issue. and while it may be common, it is not up to the buyer to say it is normal. whatever the buyer and seller agree upon is normal... and it is not like it is a trader with high heatware either.

the op got pissed and should have just ignored the buyers PM. granted... he was wrong to respond at all.

the name calling and bullying was way out of line.
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I agreed with you the buyer was out of line. But the OP instigated the remarks with his confrontational comment.

If he had simply said that he was burned in the past, and he'd rather not take the chance, regardless whether the heatware is someone without heatware or established trader, things would've gone much smoother.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Big J and ViperGTS....

the original PM from the OP said that he had been burned before and preferred not to ship first. he told the buyer... thanks though....

it was the buyer who came back... all sarcastic. if he did not want to trade with someone who would not ship first, he could have just let it go. he did not have to come back, like he did, and try to push the issue. and while it may be common, it is not up to the buyer to say it is normal. whatever the buyer and seller agree upon is normal... and it is not like it is a trader with high heatware either.

the op got pissed and should have just ignored the buyers PM. granted... he was wrong to respond at all.

the name calling and bullying was way out of line.
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Good luck then. Shipping first to established traders is a normal practice on Anandtech. I have quite a bit more references built up. It would be foolish to hand over such a large amount of money to someone with very little references.
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That is what the buyer said. Perfectly reasonable.

The OP is the one that started the hostility & then came crawling here whimpering about it.

Any hostility from that point on was completely deserved, the OP is a tool. And NOT because he doesn't want to ship first. He's entitled to set whatever rules he wants for his trades, but he can't expect to launch into someone & not get it right back.

Viper GTS
 
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