Would we have the world's sympathy in case of another terrorist attack?

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Don't give the UN a place in Iraq, we won't show up.

I'd rather you didn't, since there's no telling if you might go all Kristallnatch on someone.

I think this is too much, i want an apology from you when you sober up.

For a Geman Jew who might be included, this is where i AM offended, you, you little POS, where were you when i was defending your stupid ass in Afghanisan?


I do not expect these drunken ramblings of yours and this time you have gone to far, i want an apology for this BS.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
One thing you numbnuts don't seem to get is that the UN is ALL of us, you , me, everybody, if the UN fails so do you.

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you have an incorrect view that the Germans and French are the UN and thus the arbiters of what the UN's will is. Many member nations supported us, as a matter of fact if we didn't have the Germans and French working together because they want to start up the empire again, or at least keep stealing money from the starving citizens of Iraq, then we would have actually gotten a resolution fully supporting action.

and i agree with this:

not like me or you or anyone else having been shot at or not shot at means a damn thing as to whether our POV has merit or not. A military man with honor wouldn't hide behind the skirts of a UN resolution when discussing whether his country should involve itself in preventing a genocide or not.

 

[glenn1]

I think this is too much, i want an apology from you when you sober up.

For a Geman Jew who might be included, this is where i AM offended, you, you little POS, where were you when i was defending your stupid ass in Afghanisan?

At home, enjoying my time off after 11 years of military service. I did my time, not like me or you or anyone else having been shot at or not shot at means a damn thing as to whether our POV has merit or not. As far as me being drunk, whatever thought gets you through the night. A military man with honor wouldn't hide behind the skirts of a UN resolution when discussing whether his country should involve itself in preventing a genocide or not.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: glenn1

I think this is too much, i want an apology from you when you sober up.

For a Geman Jew who might be included, this is where i AM offended, you, you little POS, where were you when i was defending your stupid ass in Afghanisan?

At home, enjoying my time off after 11 years of military service. I did my time, not like me or you or anyone else having been shot at or not shot at means a damn thing as to whether our POV has merit or not. As far as me being drunk, whatever thought gets you through the night. A military man with honor wouldn't hide behind the skirts of a UN resolution when discussing whether his country should involve itself in preventing a genocide or not.

There is no better feeling in the world then to have been shot at and missed.

 

[glenn1]

There is no better feeling in the world then to have been shot at and missed.

I've experienced that. IMHO, that's not necessarily the case, I'll take sex over getting shot at and missed since the Arabs generally can't shoot for sh!t anyway - the chance of getting hit by one of them was about the same as winning Powerball. The friendlies we trained were more dangerous than those we opposed, since most of their soldiers were generally herding goats a couple weeks before being drafted, handed deadly equipment, and let loose on the world. You'd figure that certain things don't need to be said - like point the *other* end of the rifle towards the bad guys. No, a truck doesn't slow down just by telling it to do so, you also have to press the brake pedal. Sticking a live atropine injector an inch in front of my face while I'm driving, at night, with NVGs, is not a way to endear yourself to me. Pulling the pin on a grenade inside an aircraft in flight is a very bad idea. Stuff like that.

 

[ntdz]

excuse me, the US hasnt done anything about the Sudan? Colin Powell just visited the country a few weeks ago and the UN just passed a resolution giving the Sudan govt 30 days to combat the rebels. All of these efforts were spearheaded by the United States.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: glenn1

I think this is too much, i want an apology from you when you sober up.

For a Geman Jew who might be included, this is where i AM offended, you, you little POS, where were you when i was defending your stupid ass in Afghanisan?

At home, enjoying my time off after 11 years of military service. I did my time, not like me or you or anyone else having been shot at or not shot at means a damn thing as to whether our POV has merit or not. As far as me being drunk, whatever thought gets you through the night. A military man with honor wouldn't hide behind the skirts of a UN resolution when discussing whether his country should involve itself in preventing a genocide or not.

No, and if you weren't so fvcking drunk you might have seen that i have not been hiding behind anything, least of all some resolution.

You are making a fool out of yourself mixing me up with someone else, i haven't even mentioned any resolutions, i am going to bed soon, i guess i'll see you in this thread when you are drunk again.

So i guess the lying "military man" is you in this case, go drink some water now, you'll need it.

 

[ntdz]

oh, btw, klixxer, what do u need from the usa? You wouldnt be typing your stupid little posts w/o American technology and products (referring to your computer, the internet, etc). You also would have probably been enslaved or executed by the Nazi's had we not saved your ungrateful ass. Man, you europeans are unbelievable. So jealous, "when china/asia has all the productivity, what do we need from you anyway?" The OS you run is made by an american company, processor designed by American country, etc, etc. Maybe you should rethink that statement and you need us more than you want to admit, and thats why you resent us.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Those are mighty words for someone who has (i assume) never been in combat.

Only pussies like the US? You do realize that the US fled from Rwanda?

The US really had no moral obligation to Rwanda. More moral responsibility should have gone to France, Belgium (who ran away after a few of their peacekeepers died), and Germany. However, they decided to do nothing. I suppose they are morally bankrupt.

How about Sudan? Not a peep about Sudan, but at least you freed the people of Iraq?

Actually the US has brought the issue of Sudan in front of hte UN and Powell was there to negotiate a peace agreement in another part of Sudan a few months ago.

You are indeed pathetc, there is a genocide going on in Sudan, an almost completed one in Rwanda, take THAT to the UN and get agreement or just invade Iraq under false pretences.

Countries should try to go to the UN, but all countries try to block any action for their own goals. The UN is a nice concept, but it's too idealistic.

I wonder which nation is indeed pathetic, all arrows point in one direction. The GREAT, the ALMIGHTY, the BESTEST of the BEST has no intention of stopping anything, but invading Iraq, that was justified.

The most pathetic nations would be the one that had a moral obligation and then backed out of it once it looked tough.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

DON'T come crawling to the UN as you have done, deal with it, all of it.

do you think that the UN is anything more than an international diplomatic play ground ware one country can try to gain power over another?

The UN has no power and no reason to exist but that the US intends to use it for it's own goals.

That we give the UN any place in Iraq or any of our wars is that we are showing a sign of international good will, not the other way around.

Obviously you have no idea, i still have freinds in Kosovo under the UN flag, dioplomacy about that?

The UN has the power the member states allowes it to have it was created for a purpose but the US has circumvented that purpose. If you read up on it you might understand, but i don't expect that from you anyway mr high and mighty.

Don't give the UN a place in Iraq, we won't show up.

That is the deal, your mess, you deal with it.

The rest of the world still continues to deal with the UN, even the UK, you are alone now.

When china/asia has all the productivity, what do we need from you anyway?

We are irrelevant you say, 120+ countries are irrelevant, ok, deal with that.

Yeah, the US is the only country that has ever circumvented any 'purpose' that the UN has. :roll:

He's actually right - with the way the UN is set up, the 'significant' countries will use it as a tool for themselves.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
One thing you numbnuts don't seem to get is that the UN is ALL of us, you , me, everybody, if the UN fails so do you.

The UN is not me. Sorry, but I don't belong to the UN and its failures and successes.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: glenn1

Don't give the UN a place in Iraq, we won't show up.

I'd rather you didn't, since there's no telling if you might go all Kristallnatch on someone.

Or slay the native population?

Love the Nazi correlation though, truly innoventive. :roll:

Well the Europeans killed off most of the native populations in all of the Americas...

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
For a Geman Jew who might be included, this is where i AM offended, you, you little POS, where were you when i was defending your stupid ass in Afghanisan?

I don't think that you were personally defending him iin Afghanistan. Sorry.

 

[Stunt]

He has served in the military helping the US to avenge a horrible tragedy.

That alone deserves respect and perhaps lay off the nazis as he was not part of this regime.
Makes as much sense as criticising you for your role in slavery.

Making crude generalizations about europeans is just pathetic.
Makes as much sense as us calling all americans dumb and patriotic, eat mcdanks, and are represented by a dumbass with relatively high support.

You DO realize what drives technology into the mainstream...things like computers and everything you own...it is price. Without cheap labour from other countries, america would not have progressed as much as it has. It's called opportunity cost.

Processors are made around the world. Likelyhood it was made in the US is unlikely. Mobos in taiwan. etc etc. R&d facilities are being made in other countries as well. You can argue dependance all you want but in the end, with that cocky, unfriendly attitude, you will not keep this position forever.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Stunt
You DO realize what drives technology into the mainstream...things like computers and everything you own...it is price. Without cheap labour from other countries, america would not have progressed as much as it has. It's called opportunity cost.

That's nice, but bottom line is where the true technological advancement happens as that is far more important.

Processors are made around the world. Likelyhood it was made in the US is unlikely. Mobos in taiwan. etc etc. R&d facilities are being made in other countries as well. You can argue dependance all you want but in the end, with that cocky, unfriendly attitude, you will not keep this position forever.

Manufacturing and actualy design r&d are vastly different. The latter is far more important.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Stunt
He has served in the military helping the US to avenge a horrible tragedy.

That alone deserves respect and perhaps lay off the nazis as he was not part of this regime.
Makes as much sense as criticising you for your role in slavery.

Making crude generalizations about europeans is just pathetic.
Makes as much sense as us calling all americans dumb and patriotic, eat mcdanks, and are represented by a dumbass with relatively high support.

You DO realize what drives technology into the mainstream...things like computers and everything you own...it is price. Without cheap labour from other countries, america would not have progressed as much as it has. It's called opportunity cost.

Processors are made around the world. Likelyhood it was made in the US is unlikely. Mobos in taiwan. etc etc. R&d facilities are being made in other countries as well. You can argue dependance all you want but in the end, with that cocky, unfriendly attitude, you will not keep this position forever.

I never said he was part of the nazi regime, but he acted like the US has never done anything for Germany, when we defeated the Nazi's and indirectly saved him (him being a German Jew).

I make generalizations from what I see, and nearly every European I've met or talked to online or in real life believes Americans are fat, dumb and Bush is a moron.

It doesnt matter where its made, it matters who invented it and owns the patent for it. American companies do the vast majority of innovations, especially in technology. Taiwanese mobo manufactorers basically use American reference desgisns and tweak them with the exception of Via, who makes crappy boards anyway (nForce is better than via and via's intel mobo's don't even deserve to be talked about).

 

[MoFunk]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
One thing you numbnuts don't seem to get is that the UN is ALL of us, you , me, everybody, if the UN fails so do you.

Except in this war with Iraq where the UN said "wait, lets see what they got" but the US said "they have stockpiles of WMD's and are ready to attack the US" Well, one was wrong and one was right.

But the UN still exists, it goes beyond wars and does a lot of good, you should check it out mr high and mighty. You might even find something worthy of your support in there.

We won't fight your wars for you, but if you have got something to give, we WILL make sure it comes in the hands that needs it the most.

I have spent my entire life fighting for equality and freedom and i will spend the rest of my life doing the same, this does not make me walthy but it's the least i can do after what i have done before that.

OK numbnut, here we go. Saddam has been yanking the UN for 12 years. Not showing properly that he has destroyed his WMD's and not letting the UN into certain areas. What you and the left wing of America keep forgetting about is that Saddam HAS used WMD's on his own people, Saddam HAD WMD's after the first gulf war and signed a resolution to destroy what he had and not make more. He never supplied proof that he did either. Bush got intelligence that half the world was confirming and called Saddam on it. Saddam was defiant, Saddam was a threat. Do not kid yourself. The war on terror is not just about OBL and it sure the hell should not only be a concern of the US. This war is against Iraq, Syria (where many believe the WMD's were shipped), Saudi and ultimately Iran. Do not kid yourself. Up until the election both party's were singing the same damn tune. Saddam, WMD's, immediate threat. ALL OF THEM!!! Well the war was not as quick as we all had wanted so the liberal left used it to launch an assult on Bush. As a side note it is my opinion that the liberal left has turned this country into a floundering puzzy! There should not have been ground troops going in to Bagdad until that place was leveled by our Air Force, but that would not be sensitive! Same with Fallujah and now with that ALIBABA guy holding himself up in a shrine and trying to negotiate. Oh you can't blow up a holy temple, that is why we hide in them and kill people from them, but dont touch it, you will look bad. Well then AMERICA, flood them out, gas them out, whatever, just get them out and kill them so democracy can take hold there. Hell get Janet Reno on the phone, she can tell you how to WACO that place! Do not kid yourself for one minute, there are links and evidence that Saddam had WMD's. There are links of him and Al Queda. There are links to Iraq and the Oaklahoma city bombing. But the far left does not want you to believe it. Oh and remember, if the glove dont fit, you got to aquit! That is the theory these days. There is proof, but unless it is so huge that it can't be covered up, some wont believe it!

I have heard arguements about needing more diplomacy with this, and give the guy more time, and if Bush would not jump the gun all would be fine. Well sorry, but we have been under attack long before 9-11. 9-11 just made everyone wake up to it.

1993 the World Trade Center was bombed

1996 Khobar Towers was bombed

1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed

1999, The USS Cole was attacked

Yep Clinton's diplomacy did great. These people want to kill the infidel at all cost and they will not quit! It also seems as groups like the ACLU is trying to help them out as much as possible. Soon they will take anything christian out of the courts and schools to make way for the call to prayer over loudspeakers 5 times daily. Don't worry, it is coming soon.

Many call "Bush's" war a failure. Well lets see, I have not heard of any attack on the US since his war by OBL and we have 1 brutal dictator down. Seems pretty good to me. But then again I guess we need to be more sensitive, and only act at the UN's word.