Would telepathy be bound by the speed of light?

[BrunoPuntzJones]

I've read stories before of twins experiencing the same feelings when only one has received a stimulus. Like say something bad happens to one, and the other senses it, regardless of where they are.

It's not like I'm able to find any research on this...

But are such examples still limited to the speed of light? Or do they happen instantaneously?

Or if you had floating aliens that speak to each other using telepathy, is it instant communication or do they have to wait a few seconds if they are flying around in the spaceship?

Granted the last doesn't exist, but curious that if it did, how would it "travel".

The former certainly exists though.

 

[PolymerTim]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
I've read stories before of twins experiencing the same feelings when only one has received a stimulus. Like say something bad happens to one, and the other senses it, regardless of where they are.

It's not like I'm able to find any research on this...

But are such examples still limited to the speed of light? Or do they happen instantaneously?

Or if you had floating aliens that speak to each other using telepathy, is it instant communication or do they have to wait a few seconds if they are flying around in the spaceship?

Granted the last doesn't exist, but curious that if it did, how would it "travel".

The former certainly exists though.

I've heard of the shared feelings like this before, but I've never seen any rigorous proof of it (if you can link any reputable examples, I would love to see them). But if we assume, hypothetically, that it does exist, I think you would need to approach the problem from one of a couple directions. For one, you would need to understand the mechanism of information transfer between the two points. I'm pretty sure we don't have that information and probably not even a good guess at it.

Alternatively, you could just try to directly measure the exact timing of the effects and see if there is a difference. The problem with this approach is that you are severely limited by the reaction times of humans in combination with the limited distances involved. You would probably need to get the two twins at least a light minute away (maybe Mars) and then use accurate timepieces to even try to measure this on a light speed scale.

 

[Modelworks]

What if the communication existed on a quantum level ?

 

[BrownTown]

Did you really just ask if a make believe thing would be bound by the laws of physics?

 

[wanderer27]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
What if the communication existed on a quantum level ?

Yeah, that's one of three possible explanations I was thinking - Quantum pairs/links.

Another could be along the lines of Electromagnetic, in which case it should be limited to light speed. Of course if Tachyons are involved . . . .

The third is more along the lines of Universal Mind, in which case who know how the propagation would work.

 

[PowerEngineer]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Did you really just ask if a make believe thing would be bound by the laws of physics?

LOL That's exactly what I was thinking.

It's my understanding that quantum entangled pairs can't be used to transmit information (but I've been wrong before).

 

[AnnonUSA]

It would be instant.






And there is a God, and Global Warming is real, and Bigfoot bangs Yeti in the mountains....

 

[EricMartello]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
I've read stories before of twins experiencing the same feelings when only one has received a stimulus. Like say something bad happens to one, and the other senses it, regardless of where they are.

It's not like I'm able to find any research on this...

But are such examples still limited to the speed of light? Or do they happen instantaneously?

Or if you had floating aliens that speak to each other using telepathy, is it instant communication or do they have to wait a few seconds if they are flying around in the spaceship?

Granted the last doesn't exist, but curious that if it did, how would it "travel".

The former certainly exists though.

Better question: what is limited to the speed of light? There's already a thread about that and people can't even be sure that the speed of light is a limit of anything.

That aside, to answer your question...there would be a delay, but that delay is present only because the human brain cannot process information instantaneously.

EVERYTHING you can perceive with your five senses is already in the past. It is not possible for humans to perceive the present moment due to the time it takes the brain to process any stimulus.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Did you really just ask if a make believe thing would be bound by the laws of physics?

There's been plenty of accounts of twins having shared feelings. A disturbance in the force if you will.

But seeing as no one knows how this work or why (or if it's just a hoax)...

If it does exist and say one twin sees her dog get run over, while the other is on a mission to Mars, when does the one on Mars feel the disturbance in the force?

 

[Shadow Conception]

Next questions: are unicorns bound by the speed of light?

I'm fairly certain it's all just coincidence, just like deja vu. Your mind does a lot of shit consciously and subconsciously, and this creates a lot of seemingly-miraculous situations. But that's the thing: seemingly-miraculous. Human perception blinds us.

Also, nerve impulses are bound by the speed of light, 'cause they're electrical pulses moving through a series of tubes. Well, not tubes, but nerve cells. Unless electricity can travel faster than light, I don't think the transfer of this information would disregard the cosmic speed limit.

 

[irishScott]

I'm no twin, but I'm a believer in limited psychic potential. Call me crazy, call me a liar, but I've literally dreamed my own future (minor, ~2 minute events) a few months in advance a couple of times. Actually wrote it down when it happened the second time, so it's not deja-vu.

There. I said it, and have now lost all credibility with the skeptics on this board.

Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Anything is possible. As far as I'm concerned, the speed of light is not the absolute speed limit. It is only the absolute speed limit that we know about and can comprehend for the time being. There were many highly reputable scientists in the late 18th-early 19th centuries who thought that traveling at speeds over 20 some odd mph would "take the breath from your lungs". They also backed up this "fact" with equations and biological data.

Hell, quantum physics for all it's wonder could be absolutely, stupidly, and entirely wrong for all we know. It's just the best we have to go off of at the moment. Don't be so quick to lump in phenomena with unicorns just because it's unexplainable.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: irishScott
I'm no twin, but I'm a believer in limited psychic potential. Call me crazy, call me a liar, but I've literally dreamed my own future (minor, ~2 minute events) a few months in advance a couple of times. Actually wrote it down when it happened the second time, so it's not deja-vu.

There. I said it, and have now lost all credibility with the skeptics on this board.

Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Anything is possible. As far as I'm concerned, the speed of light is not the absolute speed limit. It is only the absolute speed limit that we know about and can comprehend for the time being. There were many highly reputable scientists in the late 18th-early 19th centuries who thought that traveling at speeds over 20 some odd mph would "take the breath from your lungs". They also backed up this "fact" with equations and biological data.

Hell, quantum physics for all it's wonder could be absolutely, stupidly, and entirely wrong for all we know. It's just the best we have to go off of at the moment. Don't be so quick to lump in phenomena with unicorns just because it's unexplainable.

I believe in everything, and nothing at the same time. We know virtually nothing as a species, and to assume we have even a small grasp of how the world works is the epitome of hubris. I'm skeptical of everything, but am open to the possibilities.

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: irishScott
I'm no twin, but I'm a believer in limited psychic potential. Call me crazy, call me a liar, but I've literally dreamed my own future (minor, ~2 minute events) a few months in advance a couple of times.

OK, I think your crazy, there I siad it.

FWIW I am a twin and never had any psychic connections.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: irishScott
I'm no twin, but I'm a believer in limited psychic potential. Call me crazy, call me a liar, but I've literally dreamed my own future (minor, ~2 minute events) a few months in advance a couple of times.

OK, I think your crazy, there I siad it.

FWIW I am a twin and never had any psychic connections.

Yeah, I was expecting as such. Don't get me wrong, I've never done it intentionally, just happened a couple of times. Wish a dream recording device existed so I could try to prove it.

I'm not claiming to be miss Cleo here either. There are a lot of fraudulent "psychics" out there who can apparently read people's minds and other hollywood shit. What I'm talking abut is minor and random.

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: irishScott
What I'm talking abut is minor and random.

its called coincidence

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: irishScott
What I'm talking abut is minor and random.

its called coincidence

Maybe. Hell of a big coincidence though. I'm not stating any facts here, I just think that the human brain has some limited psychic potential, and have a few of my own weird experiences to back it up. Of course, I'm the only one who can vouch for said experiences. If I could objectively prove it, I'd be on every network for the next 6 months.

I think what I think, and from my perspective it's not even remotely crazy. Likewise I don't try to convince people of things that are inherently impossible to prove unless they're already open to the subject.

 

[DrPizza]

It's not a big coincidence. How many times during your lifetime do you just have a feeling that something's wrong, or a sudden happy feeling, for no reason at all. It's only because some people look for an explanation that they ultimately "find" one in telepathy or some other such nonsense.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
It's not a big coincidence. How many times during your lifetime do you just have a feeling that something's wrong, or a sudden happy feeling, for no reason at all. It's only because some people look for an explanation that they ultimately "find" one in telepathy or some other such nonsense.

Read what I originally posted please. I'm not talking about random feelings. Like I said, I'm pretty sure about it. I'm open to alternative explanations.

I fully expected to be called crazy upon posting this. This is a web forum. I'm cool with it. I'm telling the truth from my perspective. Take it or leave it.

That said, I'd hardly call it "nonsense" just because it hasn't been proven yet or is inherently unprovable. We don't know all that much about the human brain. Hell we have a hard time with lower animal brains and explaining their actions. Point: When we don't know anything, all possibilities are equal.

Right now, we don't know anything about aliens other than it's probable that they exist. The nature of their existence could literally be anything, thus stating anything about aliens being "nonsense" is relative nonsense in and of itself.

In any case, you can't prove me wrong, and I can't prove my point. I just stated my opinion on what I believe to be a highly probably explanation based on my own personal experiences. If I could transfer said experiences to you, I have no doubt you'd believe me, but that's impossible for the time being. Have a good one.

 

[lyssword]

Leave the Spaghetti Monster out of this.

 

[Foxery]

All information is limited to the speed of light, for the reasons given in this thread. However, since it only takes light about 0.1 second to travel around the entire Earth, no human would be able to perceive a delay.

Next week on the AnandTech channel, we explore how the principles of Chemistry and the Laws of Thermodynamics apply to ridding your soul of invisible alien ghosts! (a.k.a. Thetans)

 

[bwanaaa]

the cia has been using 'remote viewers' for a long time. These people (who are not special but just trained to do this) from a distance can tell where a 'target' is located in a room and what they look like. it is an interesting technology where millions of our tax dollars have been spent.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: DrPizza
It's not a big coincidence. How many times during your lifetime do you just have a feeling that something's wrong, or a sudden happy feeling, for no reason at all. It's only because some people look for an explanation that they ultimately "find" one in telepathy or some other such nonsense.

Read what I originally posted please. I'm not talking about random feelings. Like I said, I'm pretty sure about it. I'm open to alternative explanations.

I fully expected to be called crazy upon posting this. This is a web forum. I'm cool with it. I'm telling the truth from my perspective. Take it or leave it.

That said, I'd hardly call it "nonsense" just because it hasn't been proven yet or is inherently unprovable. We don't know all that much about the human brain. Hell we have a hard time with lower animal brains and explaining their actions. Point: When we don't know anything, all possibilities are equal.

Right now, we don't know anything about aliens other than it's probable that they exist. The nature of their existence could literally be anything, thus stating anything about aliens being "nonsense" is relative nonsense in and of itself.

In any case, you can't prove me wrong, and I can't prove my point. I just stated my opinion on what I believe to be a highly probably explanation based on my own personal experiences. If I could transfer said experiences to you, I have no doubt you'd believe me, but that's impossible for the time being. Have a good one.

Earlier today, my neck was aching. At one point last night, I had a really sharp pain in my ear. (Sinuses might be backing up or something; nothing seems wrong today though.) If I had a twin brother and called him on the phone and discovered that last night, he had an earache, or today, he was in a car accident and suffered whiplash, then were I prone to superstition, I'd think that there was some sort of telepathy type of thing going on. But, I'm not. I'd chalk it up to coincidence.

 

[Aberforth]

I never wanted to post here because most here start bashing when they see something out of the textbooks...

Anyway, We find sense perceptions are often false and deceptive (eyes, ears, nose..), for example take a hollow cube - if you look it at one angle it appears to be a square but is that the whole truth? The Cube is 3D and you were fooled into believing it's the whole truth. The mystery still remains even if you break open a cube, what is the nature of cube? What it is made of? and What's the point of it?... So you can put this *scientific* debate to rest, scientific observations are mainly sensory- riddled with partial truths and unanswered questions, documented and accepted based on repetitions of a theory or a discovery. Science is nothing but a finding of unity, when science reaches unity - it will stop progressing. So how to get the whole truth?.. it's is in the observation of facts outside the senses, not mere communication - the whole truth and that should be called telepathy when all the senses ceases to operate.

 

[KIAman]

The cool thing about statistical randomness is that coincidences do happen quite frequently. With the sheer number of sample size (population of earth) mixed with the sheer number of decisions, you are bound to have these magical telepathic moments.

Look at genetics. With trillions upon trillions of combinations possible, every person on the planet has someone else that looks like their twin. Must be magic! It's not.

My statistics instructor would make a bet on the first day of class. He would ask the class to take a guess on how many classmates shared 1 birthday, 2 birthdays, 3 birthdays, etc. Then he would make a guess depending on class size and to the surprise of the classroom, he was right on (typically 4-6 shared birthdays).

Let me share some of my most recent "telepathic" events.

1. Started humming a song only to turn on the radio and hear it playing, right in beat and tune of my humming
2. Took a different route to work and found later that original route was backed up from an accident
3. Thought about a specific person to call then they call me 5 seconds later
4. Craving some bacon cheeseburger and finding our work cafeteria special of the day was bacon cheeseburger

Spooky, now let's analyze what really happened.

1. I've hummed a tune thousands of times which the radio did not later play
2. Countless times I've been stuck on the road going to work
3. Hundreds of times, I didn't want someone to call, then they call
4. Craving a bazillion different things and work cafeteria serves junk

Does this prove or disprove telepathy? No. But occam's razor says telepathy doesn't exist. Statistical coincidences can easily be explained. Telepathy cannot.

 

[KIAman]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
I never wanted to post here because most here start bashing when they see something out of the textbooks...

Anyway, We find sense perceptions are often false and deceptive (eyes, ears, nose..), for example take a hollow cube - if you look it at one angle it appears to be a square but is that the whole truth? The Cube is 3D and you were fooled into believing it's the whole truth. The mystery still remains even if you break open a cube, what is the nature of cube? What it is made of? and What's the point of it?... So you can put this *scientific* debate to rest, scientific observations are mainly sensory- riddled with partial truths and unanswered questions, documented and accepted based on repetitions of a theory or a discovery. Science is nothing but a finding of unity, when science reaches unity - it will stop progressing. So how to get the whole truth?.. it's is in the observation of facts outside the senses, not mere communication - the whole truth and that should be called telepathy when all the senses ceases to operate.

Have you, by chance, heard the song, One, by Metallica?