While I am a huge Metallica fan I still have to get on you here for doing one of my pet peeves which is using a modern movie/game/song instead of the famous book or historical quote it was derived from.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Got_His_Gun
Did you really just make a big arrogant gaffe by assuming something you cannot prove to be true?
(Note: I have no opinion on telepathy one way or the other, but I definitely have an opinion on arrogant dismissal of ideas without due evidence)
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no gaffe at all - There's zero scientific evidence for telepathy and many reasons (besides lack of evidence) to think that it does not occur. If it does occur it's doing a great job of hiding. Thus it's logical to assume it doesn't exist, until some evidence is provided. You may as well ask how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Now that's the question. There are zillion things happening in this universe that we have no evidence but nevertheless they are facts and by evidence we think of observational facts or repetitions of a particular theory. But even if there is no means of producing the material evidence, the facts still exist, in other words we lack the mental capacity to define these things, these are the facts that are beyond the field of reasoning that cannot be documented or reproduced- telepathy might be interpreted as a delusion or some kind of weird psychological disease. The laws of gravitation didn't come into operation when Newton discovered it, it existed millions of years ago and would exist if all humanity forgot it- that is you cannot reject or accept it if you have no knowledge of it.
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Putting some quantum mechanical things aside for a bit, no, my (or anyones) ability to observe something doesn't affect whether it exists or not. But...
It's impossible to prove something does not exist. Therefore the burden of proof must be on the claimant. Otherwise we can start discussing the mass of the invisible blue unicorn, the orbital velocity of the invisible teacup and the antigravity hooves of Santa's reindeer. Or, the speed at which telepathy occurs.
Gravity is an easy contrast as there's plenty of evidence for its existence. We'll all be happy to discuss and learn how telepathy occurs when there's some evidence that it actually occurs.
It's impossible to prove something does not exist. Therefore the burden of proof must be on the claimant. Otherwise we can start discussing the mass of the invisible blue unicorn, the orbital velocity of the invisible teacup and the antigravity hooves of Santa's reindeer. Or, the speed at which telepathy occurs.
Gravity is an easy contrast as there's plenty of evidence for its existence. We'll all be happy to discuss and learn how telepathy occurs when there's some evidence that it actually occurs.
Telepathy is not bound by speed of light... It maybe bound by speed at which ones brain is able to processes the info. gathered tough..
As someone said above CIA has been using this aspect for several years.. Even USSR had a shot at this!! People reported to have sensed people on the moon even before the USA set the Apollo missions in effect...!!
BTW its takes somes min's fora ray of light to reach moon the viewer described people as if he had a live eye on moon's surface!!
As someone said above CIA has been using this aspect for several years.. Even USSR had a shot at this!! People reported to have sensed people on the moon even before the USA set the Apollo missions in effect...!!
BTW its takes somes min's fora ray of light to reach moon the viewer described people as if he had a live eye on moon's surface!!
Why not? There is a huge body of work demonstrating this. I believe you are referring to the "no-cloning" law, which says that a quantum state cannot be cloned. It can be mapped/copied but not cloned.
I'm a little confused by this scenario. First, I think you have your distances mixed up. The Earth is ~8.3 light-minutes from the Sun, but only 1.2 light-seconds from the moon (surface to surface). Second, how could the "viewer" tell there was or was not a time delay between what they saw and the actual event unless they were in the presence of someone who could directly compare the two events in real time?
I have no doubt that many governments have experimented with this kind of thing, but I would love to see any evidence of these techniques actually working.
Can telepathy go faster than light?
Santa Clause can clearly go faster than the speed of light (how else to finish in one night?) so I don't see why not. Sure.
Santa Clause can clearly go faster than the speed of light (how else to finish in one night?) so I don't see why not. Sure.
Since we dont know how telepathy works, we can't know if it is bounded by the speed of light. If telepathy is some kind of electromagnetic sense then >c, or it could be a working form of quantum entanglement that can actually transmit information. So how does telepathy work?
Oh yeah thats right, it doesn't. Because it a stupid fallacy.
Oh yeah thats right, it doesn't. Because it a stupid fallacy.
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why would telepathy, telekineses whatever be a stupid fallacy? anything technically could be possible
do you think we've learned/discovered everything there is to know? do you think mankind has understood and tapped the potential of the mind?
no, of course not, we develop and learn new things every day
if you could go back 150 years and tell people of that day what we can do now, they'd think you're mad. who knows what we'll be up to in another 150 years
maybe our thoughts transmit on a frequency. just need someone to tune in the other end
do you think we've learned/discovered everything there is to know? do you think mankind has understood and tapped the potential of the mind?
no, of course not, we develop and learn new things every day
if you could go back 150 years and tell people of that day what we can do now, they'd think you're mad. who knows what we'll be up to in another 150 years
maybe our thoughts transmit on a frequency. just need someone to tune in the other end
If there was evidence this topic wouldn't have existed. However whenever you think of faster communication or faster transportation you think of traveling between two points which is wrong - there is no necessity to travel. You can reach long distances without traveling (in theory that is)- like some people believe the universe is a flexible mat and to reach long distances all you have to do is bend it or at least find a natural bend to shorten the distance.
I dunno ..that's the mystery. But what I know for sure is that there are two types of existences that isn't related. One is the mind and other is the body, we know bodies acquire some properties through heredity (eyes, skin tone, diseases etc) but those properties are only the physical configuration through which a particular mind can alone act in a unique way. There are other properties not related to the body- yet they exist, which makes the person obtain unique characteristics that separates him from another. Since this is a fact of the mind, it cannot be proven but only realized.
I cannot answer the first question in public, but you needn't buy my theory if you don't want to
but that doesn't alter the fact that it is the truth.And when I say "body" I mean the "living body".
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If it's really a fact, you should have no trouble demonstrating it as such.Originally posted by: Aberforth
I cannot answer the first question in public, but you needn't buy my theory if you don't want to
And when I say "body" I mean the "living body".
Originally posted by: Aberforth
I cannot answer the first question in public, but you needn't buy my theory if you don't want to
And when I say "body" I mean the "living body".
Wait, let me see if I understand you correctly. You know the truth, but you can't say it in public?
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Priceless. An excellent way to end an argument.
lol I can't say it because of the fear of being ridiculed. I only made that comment because people don't look at the other options- now you and I have a potential to make a grand discovery in this subject but we rely on documented scientific research made by other people and try to argue each other. Who the heck knows what is telepathy in the first place to contradict theories or opinions. But we know telepathy exists and it has got something to do with the mind or the brain, if you look back in history books there are thousands of telepathic incidents since the evolution of man., if such is the case then there is no point in denying it.
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