Would now be a good time to start deporting illegals?

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: StormRider
Sorry but it's you who is using an irrational and emotional argument. Why do you only focus on this particular law and not any of the other laws out there that many people violate? This shows you are using emotion/bias and not logical and rational arguments.

The rational response would be to acknowledge that the law that "criminalizes" being in the US without official permission and working is unrealistic and in my opinion wrong. Yes, it's against the rules -- but "criminal"? I disagree with that.

What exactly is irrational and emotional about wanting the law to be followed? Also, hellfugginlo? This thread is about ILLEGALS - not murder, robbery, etc. Try keeping up.

lol, so exactly why do you feel it shouldn't be criminal? What else is it going to be? civil? Who has standing then? I'd really love to hear your defense of you last paragraph.

It's same rationale that makes me say that it is wrong to put a 19 year old man who had consensual sex with his 17 year old girlfriend in jail and labling him as a pedophile. I don't care what the law says. If the law says he is a criminal then I say the law is wrong and should be changed.

It's the same rationale that makes me say that past laws that prevent mix race couples from marrying is wrong. And that law was changed.

Similarly, I think it's wrong to treat someone who entered our country without official permission in order to work in the same way we treat someone who just mugged, raped or murdered someone. To me it's not in the same category and shouldn't be treated like a "criminal offense".

You are inconsistent in your beliefs. In other threads you want government out of the people's business and here you support the government in being a "big brother" telling people if they are allowed to work. Thing about it. So, it becomes a criminal offense to enter a country next door and accept $20 to help a guy move out of his apartment? Or pick some vegetables? This "crime" is enough to get your panties in a wad?

 

[blahblah99]

Originally posted by: NSFW
I would think that cracking down on this would be great for the job situation. In the short term, the government would need to hire additional agents to investigate and enforce the laws. Then as the jobs that the illegals were working freed up, Americans who are out of work could fill those jobs.

Please tell me where my thinking is flawed.

With the way the economy is heading, they'll be deporting themselves. No need to spend extra money.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: StormRider
The rational response would be to acknowledge that the law that "criminalizes" being in the US without official permission and working is unrealistic and in my opinion wrong. Yes, it's against the rules -- but "criminal"? I disagree with that.

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

What are you trying to prove? I said I disagree with this law. Posting a link to something that says, "It is a federal crime because it is a federal crime" doesn't change my opinion that it is wrong.

Also there are many links that show that immigrants (legal and "illegal") have a net positive effect on our society and economy.

Economics isn't simple black and white. You can find economists with PhDs who say illegal immigrants are a drain to our economy and society and I can find just as many who say the opposite.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: blahblah99

Originally posted by: NSFW
I would think that cracking down on this would be great for the job situation. In the short term, the government would need to hire additional agents to investigate and enforce the laws. Then as the jobs that the illegals were working freed up, Americans who are out of work could fill those jobs.

Please tell me where my thinking is flawed.

With the way the economy is heading, they'll be deporting themselves. No need to spend extra money.

And that's the way it should be. Market forces at work.

Personally if I had a choice between a thriving economy with people all over the world wanting to come here to the land of opportunity or a dead economy (caused mainly by the greed of us citizens who thought that making loans to people who can't possibly repay them and then repackaging them as securities was a good idea) and no "illegal" immigrants -- I'll pick the thriving economy any day.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Hell yes! Throw their asses out.. Oh wait, you said ILLEGALS.. I thought you said LIBERALS.. nevermind..

Well if I had to choose one or the other....

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Hell yes! Throw their asses out.. Oh wait, you said ILLEGALS.. I thought you said LIBERALS.. nevermind..

Well if I had to choose one or the other....

Why choose? Kill them all and let God decide!

 

[First]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

What is practical about it? Why do you think it's common sense? Because you "feel" it is?

Huge monetary, moral, and cultural costs, and they're all more or less indisputable and far outweigh the feigned interest in wanting to "uphold" the law, about as laughable as drunk drivers wanting jaywalking laws upheld because they feel their crime is just as severe. You won't see mass deportations anytime soon anyway (probably ever). Has never happened, and no reason it ever will.

Oh and nice troll - I see you still can't think for yourself or understand more complex notions... meh... still not surprised.

I like how you equate your rejection of financial definitions in a finance argument to "thinking for yourself". :laugh:

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: blahblah99

Originally posted by: NSFW
I would think that cracking down on this would be great for the job situation. In the short term, the government would need to hire additional agents to investigate and enforce the laws. Then as the jobs that the illegals were working freed up, Americans who are out of work could fill those jobs.

Please tell me where my thinking is flawed.

With the way the economy is heading, they'll be deporting themselves. No need to spend extra money.

And that's the way it should be. Market forces at work.

Personally if I had a choice between a thriving economy with people all over the world wanting to come here to the land of opportunity or a dead economy (caused mainly by the greed of us citizens who thought that making loans to people who can't possibly repay them and then repackaging them as securities was a good idea) and no "illegal" immigrants -- I'll pick the thriving economy any day.

People who generalize are all stupid! :|

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: StormRider
Sorry but it's you who is using an irrational and emotional argument. Why do you only focus on this particular law and not any of the other laws out there that many people violate? This shows you are using emotion/bias and not logical and rational arguments.

The rational response would be to acknowledge that the law that "criminalizes" being in the US without official permission and working is unrealistic and in my opinion wrong. Yes, it's against the rules -- but "criminal"? I disagree with that.

What exactly is irrational and emotional about wanting the law to be followed? Also, hellfugginlo? This thread is about ILLEGALS - not murder, robbery, etc. Try keeping up.

lol, so exactly why do you feel it shouldn't be criminal? What else is it going to be? civil? Who has standing then? I'd really love to hear your defense of you last paragraph.

It's same rationale that makes me say that it is wrong to put a 19 year old man who had consensual sex with his 17 year old girlfriend in jail and labling him as a pedophile. I don't care what the law says. If the law says he is a criminal then I say the law is wrong and should be changed.

It's the same rationale that makes me say that past laws that prevent mix race couples from marrying is wrong. And that law was changed.

Similarly, I think it's wrong to treat someone who entered our country without official permission in order to work in the same way we treat someone who just mugged, raped or murdered someone. To me it's not in the same category and shouldn't be treated like a "criminal offense".

You are inconsistent in your beliefs. In other threads you want government out of the people's business and here you support the government in being a "big brother" telling people if they are allowed to work. Thing about it. So, it becomes a criminal offense to enter a country next door and accept $20 to help a guy move out of his apartment? Or pick some vegetables? This "crime" is enough to get your panties in a wad?

No, there is absolutely ZERO inconsistency. Since the feds control immigration - they are charged with enforcing it. And also it's not telling if they are allowed to work - it's finding and removing those who should not be here and giving businesses a way to protect themselves from hiring ILLEGALS.

Keep "feeling" instead of thinking if you wish, but I will continue on with the very consistent position of having the law enforced.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

What is practical about it? Why do you think it's common sense? Because you "feel" it is?

Huge monetary, moral, and cultural costs, and they're all more or less indisputable and far outweigh the feigned interest in wanting to "uphold" the law, about as laughable as drunk drivers wanting jaywalking laws upheld because they feel their crime is just as severe. You won't see mass deportations anytime soon anyway (probably ever). Has never happened, and no reason it ever will.

Oh and nice troll - I see you still can't think for yourself or understand more complex notions... meh... still not surprised.

I like how you equate your rejection of financial definitions in a finance argument to "thinking for yourself". :laugh:

you edited out the context so I'll place it back here from storm rider:
"The rational response would be to acknowledge that the law that "criminalizes" being in the US without official permission and working is unrealistic and in my opinion wrong. Yes, it's against the rules -- but "criminal"? I disagree with that."

and my response of "lol, so exactly why do you feel it shouldn't be criminal? What else is it going to be? civil? Who has standing then? I'd really love to hear your defense of you last paragraph."

monetary? Did you totally ignore the costs they place on the system?
moral - so basically your feelings. boo friggin hoo...
culteral? again your "feelings"
Non of those are common sense - they are your feelings.

Also your anaolgy doesn't even come close to being similar. There are rules and laws in place for people to immigrate using. If they bypass those laws, they are willingly committing a crime. Are you suggesting that we only deal with murders? since obviously most other "crime" is minor compared to murder...

Again to your troll - what you and others don't understand is that you don't control the scope, yet you tried to suggest I be bound to them. but meh - it's sop for people like you... troll on...

 

[First]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

monetary? Did you totally ignore the costs they place on the system?

Illegals, as much as it's unfortunate they remain illegal, provide a net economic benefit that clearly outweighs the costs of them not paying taxes. They still pay sales taxes, consume products in the many billions of dollars, and significantly impact consumer prices downward by allowing firms to hire them as cheap labor, reducing small business costs. This shit has been discussed ad nauseum, and far outweighs the negative costs associated with illegals.

moral - so basically your feelings. boo friggin hoo...

No, common sense.

culteral? again your "feelings"

Common sense. It's why conservatives like yourself are dying out.

Non of those are common sense - they are your feelings.

No, again, common sense. It's why your generation is dying a quick death.

Also your anaolgy doesn't even come close to being similar. There are rules and laws in place for people to immigrate using. If they bypass those laws, they are willingly committing a crime. Are you suggesting that we only deal with murders? since obviously most other "crime" is minor compared to murder...

The amount of casework in court systems, and especially the dollars necessary to strictly enforce illegal immigration laws (particularly deportation), far outweigh the benefits. It's simple reality that pragmatists know can't be solved with some dumbed down conservative shit like "enFouRse da LaW!". Deal with the reality, if you can.

Again to your troll - what you and others don't understand is that you don't control the scope, yet you tried to suggest I be bound to them. but meh - it's sop for people like you... troll on...

Meh. You don't read books or have a formal education. We get it, you're some backwards hick layman. Nobody cares about you except to poke fun at your asininity. You're AT's court jester.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Hell yes! Throw their asses out.. Oh wait, you said ILLEGALS.. I thought you said LIBERALS.. nevermind..

Well if I had to choose one or the other....

Why choose? Kill them all and let God decide!

Hey why not.. more people have been killed in the name of the invisible man then anything else!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Now is a good time to give them a 60 day warning after which they are rounded up and put in work camps. Think of all that labor, it would help in the recession, and it's not like they'd be slaves; they get to stay then, legally, in the US and work, which is what they wanted to do to begin with. Everyone wins.

And if they weren't willing to work hard enough in the internment camps you could always tell them "wollen sie nicht arbeiten, dann haben wir anderen metoden".

The labor IS helping you already, however, making them legals would pose a problem, no more slave labor salaries so i do understand why the US gov. wants to keep the status quo of how things are right now.

And no, they are not stealing a single fucking job.

And how would/could you possibly know that? You don't/can't.

Dismissed.

Son, if your rank is less than a Captains rank you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above that and not in the Airforce you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above mine in the Airforce but not in the UK Airforce you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above mine, in the UK Airforce but not a member of the SAS you don't get to dismiss me.

I did misspeak though, i should have written "in my opnion based on everything i have ever read on the matter". My apologies for that.

It DOES feel kinda like something that has been done before, in a recession you need to blame a group of people for it, then there was skoorb talking about working camps, what will happen to those who are not working hard enough according to the guards?

This road is not one you want to travel.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Now is a good time to give them a 60 day warning after which they are rounded up and put in work camps. Think of all that labor, it would help in the recession, and it's not like they'd be slaves; they get to stay then, legally, in the US and work, which is what they wanted to do to begin with. Everyone wins.

And if they weren't willing to work hard enough in the internment camps you could always tell them "wollen sie nicht arbeiten, dann haben wir anderen metoden".

The labor IS helping you already, however, making them legals would pose a problem, no more slave labor salaries so i do understand why the US gov. wants to keep the status quo of how things are right now.

And no, they are not stealing a single fucking job.

And how would/could you possibly know that? You don't/can't.

Dismissed.

Son, if your rank is less than a Captains rank you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above that and not in the Airforce you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above mine in the Airforce but not in the UK Airforce you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above mine, in the UK Airforce but not a member of the SAS you don't get to dismiss me.

I did misspeak though, i should have written "in my opnion based on everything i have ever read on the matter". My apologies for that.

It DOES feel kinda like something that has been done before, in a recession you need to blame a group of people for it, then there was skoorb talking about working camps, what will happen to those who are not working hard enough according to the guards?

This road is not one you want to travel.

I'm not in the military and I'll dismiss anybody I like, whenever I like..... so take a hike. You don't have any skin in this game so kindly butt out.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Now is a good time to give them a 60 day warning after which they are rounded up and put in work camps. Think of all that labor, it would help in the recession, and it's not like they'd be slaves; they get to stay then, legally, in the US and work, which is what they wanted to do to begin with. Everyone wins.

And if they weren't willing to work hard enough in the internment camps you could always tell them "wollen sie nicht arbeiten, dann haben wir anderen metoden".

The labor IS helping you already, however, making them legals would pose a problem, no more slave labor salaries so i do understand why the US gov. wants to keep the status quo of how things are right now.

And no, they are not stealing a single fucking job.

And how would/could you possibly know that? You don't/can't.

Dismissed.

Son, if your rank is less than a Captains rank you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above that and not in the Airforce you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above mine in the Airforce but not in the UK Airforce you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above mine, in the UK Airforce but not a member of the SAS you don't get to dismiss me.

I did misspeak though, i should have written "in my opnion based on everything i have ever read on the matter". My apologies for that.

It DOES feel kinda like something that has been done before, in a recession you need to blame a group of people for it, then there was skoorb talking about working camps, what will happen to those who are not working hard enough according to the guards?

This road is not one you want to travel.

I'm not in the military and I'll dismiss anybody I like, whenever I like..... so take a hike. You don't have any skin in this game so kindly butt out.

So you're just the random twat that disrespects the military in Afghanistan?

Why doesn't this surprise me in the least?

I'd ask you to kiss my arse but i don't want to catch any diseases.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Now is a good time to give them a 60 day warning after which they are rounded up and put in work camps. Think of all that labor, it would help in the recession, and it's not like they'd be slaves; they get to stay then, legally, in the US and work, which is what they wanted to do to begin with. Everyone wins.

And if they weren't willing to work hard enough in the internment camps you could always tell them "wollen sie nicht arbeiten, dann haben wir anderen metoden".

The labor IS helping you already, however, making them legals would pose a problem, no more slave labor salaries so i do understand why the US gov. wants to keep the status quo of how things are right now.

And no, they are not stealing a single fucking job.

And how would/could you possibly know that? You don't/can't.

Dismissed.

Son, if your rank is less than a Captains rank you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above that and not in the Airforce you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above mine in the Airforce but not in the UK Airforce you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above mine, in the UK Airforce but not a member of the SAS you don't get to dismiss me.

I did misspeak though, i should have written "in my opnion based on everything i have ever read on the matter". My apologies for that.

It DOES feel kinda like something that has been done before, in a recession you need to blame a group of people for it, then there was skoorb talking about working camps, what will happen to those who are not working hard enough according to the guards?

This road is not one you want to travel.

I'm not in the military and I'll dismiss anybody I like, whenever I like..... so take a hike. You don't have any skin in this game so kindly butt out.

So you're just the random twat that disrespects the military in Afghanistan?

Why doesn't this surprise me in the least?

I'd ask you to kiss my arse but i don't want to catch any diseases.

You're just a pathetic drunk, aren't you.

I'm not your son nor am I a "twat". I'm sorry your life sucks but I have my own problems so you'll just have to get your own shrink to diagnose help you with your "diseases".

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Now is a good time to give them a 60 day warning after which they are rounded up and put in work camps. Think of all that labor, it would help in the recession, and it's not like they'd be slaves; they get to stay then, legally, in the US and work, which is what they wanted to do to begin with. Everyone wins.

And if they weren't willing to work hard enough in the internment camps you could always tell them "wollen sie nicht arbeiten, dann haben wir anderen metoden".

The labor IS helping you already, however, making them legals would pose a problem, no more slave labor salaries so i do understand why the US gov. wants to keep the status quo of how things are right now.

And no, they are not stealing a single fucking job.

And how would/could you possibly know that? You don't/can't.

Dismissed.

Son, if your rank is less than a Captains rank you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above that and not in the Airforce you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above mine in the Airforce but not in the UK Airforce you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above mine, in the UK Airforce but not a member of the SAS you don't get to dismiss me.

I did misspeak though, i should have written "in my opnion based on everything i have ever read on the matter". My apologies for that.

It DOES feel kinda like something that has been done before, in a recession you need to blame a group of people for it, then there was skoorb talking about working camps, what will happen to those who are not working hard enough according to the guards?

This road is not one you want to travel.

I'm not in the military and I'll dismiss anybody I like, whenever I like..... so take a hike. You don't have any skin in this game so kindly butt out.

So you're just the random twat that disrespects the military in Afghanistan?

Why doesn't this surprise me in the least?

I'd ask you to kiss my arse but i don't want to catch any diseases.

You're just a pathetic drunk, aren't you.

I'm not your son nor am I a "twat". I'm sorry your life sucks but I have my own problems so you'll just have to get your own shrink to diagnose help you with your "diseases".

Well, there you go and confirm what i just said.

Pathetic.

 

[quest55720]

Sounds good to me time to crack down on illegals. Then build that giant wall and station the troops we pull out of Iraq on the boarder to secure it.

 

[Jiggz]

Originally posted by: NSFW
I would think that cracking down on this would be great for the job situation. In the short term, the government would need to hire additional agents to investigate and enforce the laws. Then as the jobs that the illegals were working freed up, Americans who are out of work could fill those jobs.

Please tell me where my thinking is flawed.

NAH! Since we'll be a totally socialist state, it doesn't matter who's legal or illegal as long as they're in the country they're entitled to all benefits. Look at CA it did this and now is the model state for socialism. Sure, they're out of money but that is only a temporary set back. All they have to do now is raise taxes on everything, legalize and tax pot and other "light drugs", tax driving by the miles and raise taxes on gas too. At the same time create more social programs to help the poor and illegals who can't find jobs because of their status. And then raise more taxes, and then create more social programs and so on and on . . . like a stupid dog chasing its stupid tail!

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Now is a good time to give them a 60 day warning after which they are rounded up and put in work camps. Think of all that labor, it would help in the recession, and it's not like they'd be slaves; they get to stay then, legally, in the US and work, which is what they wanted to do to begin with. Everyone wins.

And if they weren't willing to work hard enough in the internment camps you could always tell them "wollen sie nicht arbeiten, dann haben wir anderen metoden".

The labor IS helping you already, however, making them legals would pose a problem, no more slave labor salaries so i do understand why the US gov. wants to keep the status quo of how things are right now.

And no, they are not stealing a single fucking job.

And how would/could you possibly know that? You don't/can't.

Dismissed.

Son, if your rank is less than a Captains rank you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above that and not in the Airforce you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above mine in the Airforce but not in the UK Airforce you don't get to dismiss me, if your rank is above mine, in the UK Airforce but not a member of the SAS you don't get to dismiss me.

I did misspeak though, i should have written "in my opnion based on everything i have ever read on the matter". My apologies for that.

It DOES feel kinda like something that has been done before, in a recession you need to blame a group of people for it, then there was skoorb talking about working camps, what will happen to those who are not working hard enough according to the guards?

This road is not one you want to travel.

I'm not in the military and I'll dismiss anybody I like, whenever I like..... so take a hike. You don't have any skin in this game so kindly butt out.

So you're just the random twat that disrespects the military in Afghanistan?

Why doesn't this surprise me in the least?

I'd ask you to kiss my arse but i don't want to catch any diseases.

You're just a pathetic drunk, aren't you.

I'm not your son nor am I a "twat". I'm sorry your life sucks but I have my own problems so you'll just have to get your own shrink to diagnose help you with your "diseases".

Well, there you go and confirm what i just said.

Pathetic.

Yes, it is rather pathetic to see you jumping to conclusions about somebody you don't know anything about. Do you act like such an ass on forums in the UK also is this special treatment just for us "Yanks"?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Drakkon

Originally posted by: shinerburke
We should be rounding their asses up every day and shipping them back to wherever it is they came from.

Problem with that is they just come back. Every day i drive by a spot in town that is known for illegals. They stand on the side of the street waiting for work. The cops know it and the public knows it. What do they do about it? Not a darn thing because the cops know they will just be back the next day and the next day.

.

we could shoot them

Or pay a bounty. $20.00 per set of ears.

(EDIT) Sarcasm does not equal racism. Go fuck yourself.

A little bump for those of you with thin skin.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: quest55720
Sounds good to me time to crack down on illegals. Then build that giant wall and station the troops we pull out of Iraq on the boarder to secure it.

use non-violent criminals from the prison system and you can save a ton on wages.....use non-violent illegals from the prison system,then dump them on the other side and we make out in more ways than one.

 

[dbk]

Of course illegal immigrants are criminals. Even if they are nice, hard working people - they still committed a crime by sneaking in.
I'm not so concerned with deporting them - there are just too many of them.

What we need to do is secure the border. Start construction on the wall and increase security presence along the border - more jobs.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Drakkon

Originally posted by: shinerburke
We should be rounding their asses up every day and shipping them back to wherever it is they came from.

Problem with that is they just come back. Every day i drive by a spot in town that is known for illegals. They stand on the side of the street waiting for work. The cops know it and the public knows it. What do they do about it? Not a darn thing because the cops know they will just be back the next day and the next day.

.

we could shoot them

Or pay a bounty. $20.00 per set of ears.

(EDIT) Sarcasm does not equal racism. Go fuck yourself.

A little bump for those of you with thin skin.

lol i just saw that post in PFI

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: Drakkon

Originally posted by: shinerburke
We should be rounding their asses up every day and shipping them back to wherever it is they came from.

Problem with that is they just come back. Every day i drive by a spot in town that is known for illegals. They stand on the side of the street waiting for work. The cops know it and the public knows it. What do they do about it? Not a darn thing because the cops know they will just be back the next day and the next day.

The sad thing is those same guys standing on that corner asking for work will work their asses off for a day shoveling/hammering/doing whatever you ask and thank you at the end for $20 that they will take home to their wife and kids and not spend on alchohol. Whereas the American with a sign on the corner asking for a handout who reeks of booze will scoff at the change you give him. Makes me wonder who I really want in this country.

It is amazing that thousands of years ago - the Chinese built a wall that crossed thousands of miles through mountains and all and defended their border. Yet, we can't patrol our own with high tech equipment - mechanized machinery - satellite surveillance, etc. . .

It could be stopped - make no mistake.

What I really don't get is that a person illegally in the country can apply for 'government benefits' or resources and the department to which they apply can't/won't turn them in and immediately send them back.

Make no mistake, I'm not xenophobic at all. I think LEGAL immigration is great. I'm 5th generation Irish who can trace roots back to Ellis Island. . . my ancestors did it legal. . .

I'm all for letting in a quota of people every year. . .