All i can say is that the best bet for the dominance in the US is china in the future. Their exports well exceed their imports. The country is growing into a communist capitalist, and with more money, who knows what their military can turn into.
so basically, invasion? yes
dominance? nope (at least not right now)
so basically, invasion? yes
dominance? nope (at least not right now)
I think you're insane if you believe that. We're *being* invaded daily as we speak, by *thousands* of illegal immigrants from various South American countries. It'd be EASY to invade the US, and the fact that it happens *daily* and the president & congress does NOTHING to stop it is just a sad fact of life.
Jason
aliens capable fo interstellar travel could, if they set their network to reject apple computers
And now that we can? If you are referring to the "assault weapon ban" you could buy basically the same thing during the ban that you could buy before. No functional difference at all.
Funny how everyone is saying Chine. China is LUCKY if they could invaed and hold Taian.
They are a good 10-15 yrs behind the US in technology. They may have more in shear #'s of troops, but they are also a good 10 years away from having the skill and training our military has.
Shear #'s do not win a war or invasion. Solid training and combat exeprience (no one has more of either-US only rival in this arena is Isreal.
Evreyone forgetting the National guard who has fighter planes, self propelled armor, etc with bases spread throught the nation?
The only possibility of someone being able to invade, capture and hold land in the US is if all the major countries in the world ganged up and were in on it.
This is an impossibility (for the forseable several hundred years).
Most local law enforcement SWAT and Special Teams units are better equipped and trained then many foreign armies.
No one cancome close to projecting power like the US.
No one has anywhere NEAR the capbility to project the kind of power needed to take and hold the US.
Hell, even in the most likely of invasion scenarios involving any countries of the world, mainly China invading Taiwan, they MAY be able to pull off invading Taiwan if the US, Australia sat out of it (which wouldn't happen).
Want to know who the next Military super power is going to be? Japan.
They can probably rival China right now, and that is only because they have 1 hand tied behind their back. They decide they actually want to take a proactive military stance (and change their military doctrine form Defense, to offense capabilities), they have the technology, resources and military leadership to surpass China in 3-5 years if they REALLY wanted to.
BTW, all this Canada talk? Their military is now a joke. Their Govt. has pretty much nuetered much of their capbility (cutting down SVERELY on troop strength, armor, etc).
Only reason they can not be invaded is because the US will not let that happen.
No country (or even countries) outside of the US, Isreal and Britain have the training, equipment, leadership and proven combat experience to invade and hold any major territory on the planet right now, certainly not the size of the US.
Out of those 3, only the US has the #'s (and by far the largest non-conscripted army in the world)!
Russia's military is pretty much in dissary now (leadership, gear, everything basically).
China's got lots of people, no way to get them out of their general area and CERTAINLY now where near the experience or leadership of the US military.
They are a good 10-15 yrs behind the US in technology. They may have more in shear #'s of troops, but they are also a good 10 years away from having the skill and training our military has.
Shear #'s do not win a war or invasion. Solid training and combat exeprience (no one has more of either-US only rival in this arena is Isreal.
Evreyone forgetting the National guard who has fighter planes, self propelled armor, etc with bases spread throught the nation?
The only possibility of someone being able to invade, capture and hold land in the US is if all the major countries in the world ganged up and were in on it.
This is an impossibility (for the forseable several hundred years).
Most local law enforcement SWAT and Special Teams units are better equipped and trained then many foreign armies.
No one cancome close to projecting power like the US.
No one has anywhere NEAR the capbility to project the kind of power needed to take and hold the US.
Hell, even in the most likely of invasion scenarios involving any countries of the world, mainly China invading Taiwan, they MAY be able to pull off invading Taiwan if the US, Australia sat out of it (which wouldn't happen).
Want to know who the next Military super power is going to be? Japan.
They can probably rival China right now, and that is only because they have 1 hand tied behind their back. They decide they actually want to take a proactive military stance (and change their military doctrine form Defense, to offense capabilities), they have the technology, resources and military leadership to surpass China in 3-5 years if they REALLY wanted to.
BTW, all this Canada talk? Their military is now a joke. Their Govt. has pretty much nuetered much of their capbility (cutting down SVERELY on troop strength, armor, etc).
Only reason they can not be invaded is because the US will not let that happen.
No country (or even countries) outside of the US, Isreal and Britain have the training, equipment, leadership and proven combat experience to invade and hold any major territory on the planet right now, certainly not the size of the US.
Out of those 3, only the US has the #'s (and by far the largest non-conscripted army in the world)!
Russia's military is pretty much in dissary now (leadership, gear, everything basically).
China's got lots of people, no way to get them out of their general area and CERTAINLY now where near the experience or leadership of the US military.
It seems unlikely but you never know after another term of your muppet president who know what could happen lol
They are embarking on a modernization program. I've been keeping a close eye on them for quite a while (I'm Taiwanese), and I believe it's worth worrying about. They're downsizing their army, in exchange for quality.
Actually, I must argue that the South Koreans have a very well-trained army. In fact, somebody on AT stationed in SoKorea near the DMZ has attested for their rigorous training (I wish I remember who). Their army is approximately half a million strong, and although their air force comprise mostly of F-16's (their order for current generation fighters is still in production, I believe), they also have a respectable ship-building industry.
China wouldn't really have to invade Taiwan to "win it over." It just needs to start throwing their M-11's (ballistic missiles) towards Taipei and Kaohsiung, and sadly, most Taiwanese would run with their tails between their legs. Fortunately, China does not YET have a credible amphibious capability. However, that is changing as well.
I tentatively predict Japan will remilitarize perhaps within the following 4-5 years. You all should realize that the SDF, as it stands today, is already fully capable of effective force-projection in the Pacific arena. However, I see China eventually surpassing Japan, despite the latter's effort to expand.
China's military may be worth worrying about if your are Taiwanese, not if you are an American.
Embarking on a modernization program? The US would have to be stagnant militarily for the Chinese to surpass us in 10 years. Really think that can happen?
What about experience? They have none compared to several conflicts (and 2 wars) we have been involved with in the past 5 years.
China is waaaay behind the US in capability and training.
The US would hae to cease to exist for China to be able to overtake the US in capbility and experience. Yeah, tech too.
You are not comparing South Koreas army to anything close to the US army are you?
You do understand who is on that DMZ and trains the Koreans right?
Embarking on a modernization program? The US would have to be stagnant militarily for the Chinese to surpass us in 10 years. Really think that can happen?
What about experience? They have none compared to several conflicts (and 2 wars) we have been involved with in the past 5 years.
China is waaaay behind the US in capability and training.
The US would hae to cease to exist for China to be able to overtake the US in capbility and experience. Yeah, tech too.
You are not comparing South Koreas army to anything close to the US army are you?
You do understand who is on that DMZ and trains the Koreans right?
Eventually it'll happen, all good things must come to an end.
Korea's ROK Army History: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rok/army-history.htm
Good discussion for this topic, the military's official forum: http://forums.military.com/eve/ubb.x And the forumers there (many military personnel) say good things (tough discipline and superb training) about ROK.
Korea's ROK Army History: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rok/army-history.htm
Good discussion for this topic, the military's official forum: http://forums.military.com/eve/ubb.x And the forumers there (many military personnel) say good things (tough discipline and superb training) about ROK.
Yes it could. Imagine Al Qaida getting their hands on biological weaponry, and infecting people in the top 200 cities in the US with Ebola or something similar. (They are already flying people into Mexico to cross the border into the US, so it's just a question of what kind of weaponry will be used next.)
If such a thing will happen many millions will die, and a total panic will break out. 'If your neighbour coughs, do you let him get close to your family? He might be infected you know...' Thus people will most likely stock up on food and stuff and barricade themselves in their houses.
Without a good command structure and order among troops (if 1 soldier in a base gets infected early on a lot more will get infected before they notice, so the troops will panic too) a country is a lot more vulnerable against attacks, and if China or Russia actually would prepare an attack they could do at such a moment. They'd need small groups of elite troops to block/take out the nuclear launch silos or take out the people who operate them, but after that a full scale attack could be launched.
And as to the people who say they couldn't permanently occupy the country as too many citizens have weapons and wouldn't stop fighting: Does the word 'Genocide' mean anything to you? Just toss some napalm/nukes/biochemicals/whatever is available over the remaining citizens, and take over the least poluted parts afterwards.
If such a thing will happen many millions will die, and a total panic will break out. 'If your neighbour coughs, do you let him get close to your family? He might be infected you know...' Thus people will most likely stock up on food and stuff and barricade themselves in their houses.
Without a good command structure and order among troops (if 1 soldier in a base gets infected early on a lot more will get infected before they notice, so the troops will panic too) a country is a lot more vulnerable against attacks, and if China or Russia actually would prepare an attack they could do at such a moment. They'd need small groups of elite troops to block/take out the nuclear launch silos or take out the people who operate them, but after that a full scale attack could be launched.
And as to the people who say they couldn't permanently occupy the country as too many citizens have weapons and wouldn't stop fighting: Does the word 'Genocide' mean anything to you? Just toss some napalm/nukes/biochemicals/whatever is available over the remaining citizens, and take over the least poluted parts afterwards.
And how would the so called invaders protect themselves from the biological weaponry they used?
Alqaeda invading and holding the US territory?
Their weren't even enough of them to help Keep the Taliban in power in a 3rd world country.
Sneaking people in thru mexico to invade the US and hold the land?
They would have to sneak in Millions to be able to pull that off, WMD or no WMDs.
BLock our silos? We have several thousand nukes positioned throught the world (not to mention the ones that can be delivered by sea (or under it) or by air. You could take all of our States based nuke silos offline and we still have plenty to destroy the planet.
You would need more then troops to invade and take over the Us. yOU WOULD NEED Tonns OF TRANSPORTS and a lot of mobile armor. How you gonna get all that inside the US without anyone knowing? Not one country on the planet has the training or experience to even remotely pull anything like this off, maybe not even the US forces itself.
SHLONG, what do you mean by the ROK? Saying they will be the supreme military power, or be able to invade the US (or at least have the capability?
Now, that's funny.
Read again.
1. Invaders in the less polluted areas, the worse areas they just ignore a while.
2. Al-qaida not invading, but causing the chaos by using biological weapons and/or dirty bombs against major US cities.
3. US officials admitted it to Dutch officials when a Dutch plane with Saudi people on it which was on it's way to Mexico was refused passage through US airspace.
And again: Not hold the land. They are just as much planning to take hold of the US now as they were with the WTC attack.
In order to sneak a few dozen or a few hunderd over the border together with illegal Mexicans they won't need that much effort, yet they'd be able to go to a lot of cities (where the chances of them being noticed is slim).
4. Which is why it is doubtful. But if the command structure would collapse (imagine if they managed to infect Whitehouse personel with Ebola, and it thus reaching the top of the chain of command) there wouldn't be someone able to order the strike, nor to actually keep track of what was happening. The subs and ships would mostly be relatively small groups of soldiers which would suddenly stop being supplies from home.
Taking over 200+ million people requires a lot of troops and equipment. Taking over a large barren wasteland takes a lot less.
Military leaders are well known for taking over the power when nobody else capable is there (or nobody else in their opinions). You take over a country only when its army starts fighting, and then you might need to bring peace to any one that decided not to cease fighting
If by invaded you mean enemy forces occupying us territory for more than a day before being wiped out, then no, the US can't be invaded. They wouldn't even get across the ocean before being destroyed. However, if you change the scenario a bit, and look at the long term process, the US is being invaded by illegal aliens on a daily basis, and not only than, but some of our own political parties are undermining this country every possible way. Over several decades, this might lead to a weakening of the US from within.
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The order of succession ensures that someone in the government would survive long enough and have the authority to launch a retaliatory strike with the remaining nuclear assets. The most survivable would be the Ohio class SSBNs that are on constant rotating patrols.
do you realize that the size of the economy has nothing to do whatsoever with this discussion ?
that is true... but if I blockaded all oil imports, those millions of firearms would just be sitting in their living rooms, wouldn't they ??
We have millions of barrels in strategic reserve. No one would be able to blockade anything from us if we did not want them to (being by far the supreme military poweron the planet).
A country or countries going to blockade the Entire continent of North America?
Completely impossible scenario as is the Bio chems, nuking all 50 states ( or even 1 without a response), eliminating all command structure in the US invading thru Canada and kiling all the governors in 50 states, etc.
It would be flat out impossible to invade the enitre U.S>, take over and control any portion of it (other then Hawaii or Alaska) for any amount of time.
MAYBE, someone(s) could invade the 2 disatatched states and hold it for a couple of hours, that's it!
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