would a company purposely give you a lowball offer?

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
A company will never make an offer to anyone they do not seriously want to employ. The offer is essentially a contract and if the person takes them up on it, they are "stuck" with that person. There's way too much risk to make an offer to anyone you weren't serious about bringing on.

If they don't want you, they'll flat out tell you. Companies really don't care if your feelings are hurt so they aren't going to try to be "nice" and gently push you away with a low offer.

ZV

wow you couldn't be more wrong (at least, if you live in an at will employment state). I have an offer that I accepted and I start in January, there is no guarantee at all. They could drop it before I ever start, 1 day in, any time. Just as I could quit any time. Granted, like I said, I live in an at will employment state.

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: thepd7
Well the offer was entry level for $58k with a defense contractor (whom I also got an offer from) that has thousands of employees, so I am going to go with my recent experience again on this one.

No offense, but one or two experiences as a recent grad do not make you credible. Get on the other side to understand. There is one simple truth, a quality candidate demands a quality price.

I've easily accepted contracts/bids/employees that were twice what others were offering. Because I knew I was going to get quality.

I don't think you understood correctly. I was saying that less companies have wiggle room now, the other person said that's because it was a bad industry, and my industry is EE which is not bad in any sense of the word. Entry level candidates in my industry ARE getting $60k like people in this thread are making fun of, my offers were all around there (some slightly over some slightly under).

I am agreeing with you that quality is worth the price, just saying many companies throw out an offer already based on that quality, not a base that they will negotiate too much on. This is a shift from the traditionally lowball then negotiate.

Are you in HR?

 

[vital]

why doesn't she stay w/ deloitte?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: thepd7
I don't think you understood correctly. I was saying that less companies have wiggle room now, the other person said that's because it was a bad industry, and my industry is EE which is not bad in any sense of the word. Entry level candidates in my industry ARE getting $60k like people in this thread are making fun of, my offers were all around there (some slightly over some slightly under).

I am agreeing with you that quality is worth the price, just saying many companies throw out an offer already based on that quality, not a base that they will negotiate too much on. This is a shift from the traditionally lowball then negotiate.

Are you in HR?

I don't think you quite understand either. You're fresh out, never had to make decisions regarding a candidate. I'm not in HR. You have much to learn, get on the otherside and get some experience under your belt.

Fresh out means they don't know crap, but you need to fill a spot at the lowest cost possible. You can spend a year getting them acclimated, but they still are entry level. There is ALWAYS wiggle room. Get on the other side to understand the discussions taken to actually extend an offer. HR doesn't make the offer.

 

[Howard]

Why would the company waste precious time?

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: thepd7
I don't think you understood correctly. I was saying that less companies have wiggle room now, the other person said that's because it was a bad industry, and my industry is EE which is not bad in any sense of the word. Entry level candidates in my industry ARE getting $60k like people in this thread are making fun of, my offers were all around there (some slightly over some slightly under).

I am agreeing with you that quality is worth the price, just saying many companies throw out an offer already based on that quality, not a base that they will negotiate too much on. This is a shift from the traditionally lowball then negotiate.

Are you in HR?

I don't think you quite understand either. You're fresh out, never had to make decisions regarding a candidate. I'm not in HR. You have much to learn, get on the otherside and get some experience under your belt.

Fresh out means they don't know crap, but you need to fill a spot at the lowest cost possible. You can spend a year getting them acclimated, but they still are entry level. There is ALWAYS wiggle room. Get on the other side to understand the discussions taken to actually extend an offer. HR doesn't make the offer.

HR doesn't make the offer? Wow that's interesting, maybe you should talk to the HR guys that called me with offers.

I am telling you, I know of friends (qualified candidates) who asked for $1-$2k more and got turned down.

MANY COMPANIES NOWADAYS DO NOT NEGOTIATE. That's all I am saying. If you have tried to negotiate an entry level position over the past 4-5 months, you have as much experience as me. If not, you don't.

Good companies aren't lowballing everyone anymore. I am sorry you apparantly do not work for a good company and you want to make yourself feel better because you got lowballed.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: spidey07
Doesn't matter. She is still going for an entry level position.

I know, but she made more on her internships.

So counter for 60, see what happens. They either tell her to take a hike or you start negotiations.

:thumbsup: DO IT!!!

 

[krunchykrome]

The ideal career path for accounting is:

Work in public
Obtain CPA
Then, if you want out, you can find a job easily in Private