Worth Getting a GTX 460 768/1gb over HD 5770?

[Skurge]

What do you guys think about going with a 460 over a 5750 or 5770 for use with a PhenomX3@2.7ghz for gaming at 1920x1080? Currently using a 4830 with the phenom, but want to upgrade the graphics and monitor.

The phenom's weren't highly regarded, but this thing does match a wolfdale at 3ghz in CineBench 10. Hoping the tricore shows improved gaming performance over what the reviews of this chip showed at the time of it's release when most games were still struggling to take advantage of dual cores.

I can't afford to do mobo/cpu/ram upgrade in addition to gpu/monitor.

You should get the 460, my 4870 (equal to a 5770) is right on the edge at 1920x1080, If i wanna play games on high I have to leave AA off. This generation sucks, so Im probably gonna get a HD6xxx

You could do the same, but if you want a card now, of those 3 at that res, get the 460. That phenom should be fine.

EDIT: Forget what I just said, hold off on the card, save up and do a complete system upgrade.

 

[Attic]

EDIT: Forget what I just said, hold off on the card, save up and do a complete system upgrade.

lol, the phenom is that much of a hurdle huh? I could pair a 460 with my other rig with Q6600@3ghz and take the 5770 from there and move it to the phenom rig.... but I may sit tight yet.

I need to do a complete system update for the phenom rig, the mobo is weak with 8xPCI 1.0 I believe, but a game on with the current rig at 1280x1024 can last me till awhile yet.

 

[jvroig]

I don't know why that is such a big deal for you.

It's not a big deal for me personally that you bought a 5770. The "big deal" for me is you gave misleading "advice" to the OP about the 460 just because it is a part of the Fermi line, dubious statements like these:

Go ahead and toast your legs with your Thermi GPU's

... and...

I'm limited by my dislike of sitting in an island of heat, and the annoying sound of fans whining.

"Thermi"? Island of heat? Annoying sound of fans? I don't know about you, but what most reviews have said is the opposite:

The GTX 480 may have been a toasty GPU, but that’s not the case for the GF104 GPU at the heart of the GTX 460 series.

Besides being some of the coolest cards we’ve tested at this performance level the GTX 460 cards are also just as quiet as the rest of the best of the cards we’ve tested, hugging the 42dB sound floor in our testing environment.

So it's nothing personal, nor am I being emotionally-vested in this conversation. There's just a big disconnect between what you are trying to tell people here, and what professional reviewers have found. Being a public forum, I chimed in to make it known to others who may read your statements (including the OP himself) that it may not be a valid issue at all, at least according to reviews of the 460 that I've read, including Anand's.

 

[3DVagabond]

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I think you touched a nerve, mate.

Seriously, I think the 5770 is a better balanced design. If it's not enough power for the OP though, then the 460 isn't a bad choice either. Big difference in price between the two, though.

Crossfired 5770 @ $129.99ea ($259.98) after rebate has to be the perf/$ steal of the year, though. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102873

 

[Skurge]

I think you touched a nerve, mate.

Seriously, I think the 5770 is a better balanced design. If it's not enough power for the OP though, then the 460 isn't a bad choice either. Big difference in price between the two, though.

Crossfired 5770 @ $129.99ea ($259.98) after rebate has to be the perf/$ steal of the year, though. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102873

Hmmm, I Don't recommend crossfire/SLI, but that's a good deal for 5870.

 

[Phynaz]

It's not a big deal for me personally that you bought a 5770. The "big deal" for me is you gave misleading "advice" to the OP about the 460

The advice I gave the OP says the 5770 costs less and produces less heat output than a 460. Both of which are 100&#37; true.

I also said the 460 outperforms the 5770, which is also true.

 

[Skurge]

Is it possible to stereotype a GPU architecture?

 

[ModestGamer]

I play dirt2 at 1920x1080 with a single 5770 all the time. My average frame rate is 65 on everything maxed and and my lowest is 24 during certain menu loads. I keep seeing the review and I keep asking myself. WTF is wrong with that benchmark score ? Actually a great number of games I get far higher frame rates then bench marks suggest.

I get consistent high 60's with dips into the high 20's with transformers war for cybertron. . I tell you that car is under ranked. If they are getting piss poor results Might I ask what OS they are testing with ?

I'd go for the 460 1GB. It has more legs than the 5770 does, especially at higher resolutions.

 

[SolMiester]

Yes, really. What you just linked to shows a 460 consuming 50w more than a 5770. That's 50w more heat you have blowing (hopefully) out of your case.

I cant believe anyone can be so anal about 50watts at load?...its laughable!

 

[SolMiester]

I'm done arguing with you. Go ahead and toast your legs with your Thermi GPU's. I'll stay comfortable thanks.

You could of just said you were an ATi fanboi!, we would of understood then!

 

[SolMiester]

I tell you that car is under ranked. If they are getting piss poor results Might I ask what OS they are testing with ?

I think a better question is what Direct X version you are running?, isnt Dirt 2 DX11?, if you were to run in XP, you would be using DX9

 

[ModestGamer]

dx11

 

[Skurge]

I think a better question is what Direct X version you are running?, isnt Dirt 2 DX11?, if you were to run in XP, you would be using DX9

The dirt2 results are about accurate, I get the same 40-50 average in DX11

The Mass effect 2 results are bullshit, I get a solid 60FPS with my 4870 and 5770 with 4xAA forced in the driver.

EDIT: Im not sure if I use 8xAA or 4xAA in dirt2, i might take another look when I try out the 5770.

 

[SolMiester]

Could it be the difference between CPU speeds?

 

[Skurge]

Could it be the difference between CPU speeds?

What do you mean?

 

[SolMiester]

What do you mean?

Between modest gamer and Anand benchmark to explain different fps in Dirt2

 

[Skurge]

Between modest gamer and Anand benchmark to explain different fps in Dirt2

You think Anand is running a slower CPU? It could be he has catalyst optimizations on and Anand has them off.

 

[RussianSensation]

The dirt2 results are about accurate, I get the same 40-50 average in DX11

The Mass effect 2 results are bullshit, I get a solid 60FPS with my 4870 and 5770 with 4xAA forced in the driver.

EDIT: Im not sure if I use 8xAA or 4xAA in dirt2, i might take another look when I try out the 5770.

DX11 40-50 fps with 5770? You call that smooth in a racing game?

I had a 4890 and it's unplayable with any AA above 2x at 1920x1200 on a Core i7 860 and 4890 overclocked to 940mhz, and running DX9. Minimum framerates dip below 40 fps in Dirt 2 with the 4890 overclocked, which makes the game unplayable to anyone serious about racing games with smooth frames. 4890 in DX9 destroys the 5770 in DX11 mode in this game. My GTX470 now gets 78-80 fps in the same built-in benchmark with 68 fps min where 4890 was getting 52 fps average with 38 mins.

So no a 5770 in DX11 nor a 4870 in DX9 mode are going to play Dirt 2 smoothly at 1920x1080 with 4, nevermind 8AAx.

I could pull countless of professional reviews which support my view that you need at least a GTX460 1GB or a 470 or a 5850 (or GTX275/280 in DX9) to play Dirt 2 smoothly at 1920x1080 with 4AA in DX11.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/xfx-radeon-hd5830_12.html#sect1

5770 = 25 min / 34 avg (unplayable for a racing game)

Here is a more positive review of the 5770 doing 45 fps average:
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/i3dspeed/0710/itogi-video-di-wxp-aaa-1920-pcie.html

Again, far from sufficient.

 

[Bobsy]

I recommend the GTX 460 768MB as an excellent choice. At $200 it occupies a sweet spot in the market and it is the highest performing card at the price point. Obviously you are wondering if it is worth spending $230+ for the 1GB version, and you should. Unless you plan to run games at more than 1920x1080, the 768MB card is the better choice.

 

[llee]

I gotta second Bobsy's reply.

I've owned both the HD 5770 1GB and the GTX 460 1GB and here are my thoughts:
While you'll be able to play at high settings with the 5770, the GTX 460 provides a cushion of performance that enables you to just put all the settings to highest and sit back. While it depends on what resolution you play on (I play on 1440x900), knowing that you can plug and play at the highest settings in any game without having to worry about not having enough performance is immensely reassuring.

Go with the GTX 460 1GB. There are usually cheap deals that pop up every other day so keep you eyes peeled on deal sites.

 

[Skurge]

DX11 40-50 fps with 5770? You call that smooth in a racing game?

I had a 4890 and it's unplayable with any AA above 2x at 1920x1200 on a Core i7 860 and 4890 overclocked to 940mhz, and running DX9. Minimum framerates dip below 40 fps in Dirt 2 with the 4890 overclocked, which makes the game unplayable to anyone serious about racing games with smooth frames. 4890 in DX9 destroys the 5770 in DX11 mode in this game. My GTX470 now gets 78-80 fps in the same built-in benchmark with 68 fps min where 4890 was getting 52 fps average with 38 mins.

So no a 5770 in DX11 nor a 4870 in DX9 mode are going to play Dirt 2 smoothly at 1920x1080 with 4, nevermind 8AAx.

I could pull countless of professional reviews which support my view that you need at least a GTX460 1GB or a 470 or a 5850 (or GTX275/280 in DX9) to play Dirt 2 smoothly at 1920x1080 with 4AA in DX11.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/xfx-radeon-hd5830_12.html#sect1

5770 = 25 min / 34 avg (unplayable for a racing game)

Here is a more positive review of the 5770 doing 45 fps average:
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/i3dspeed/0710/itogi-video-di-wxp-aaa-1920-pcie.html

Again, far from sufficient.

Trust me I am serious about racing games. Dirt 2 is an arcade game, you don't need 60FPS to enjoy it or do well, 45/50fps is perfectly smooth to me. I also play GTR EVO, that is a serious racing game and that need a rock solid 60fps to be competitive (luckily I get over 120fps )

I bet i could beat you with my 40fps while your at 70fps

For the record, I don't use the 5770, thats my bros card.

 

[RussianSensation]

Skurge, I guess you are fortunate enough to not be as picky about random drops. I mean when the game drops to 35-38 frames in the middle of smooth 60 fps action with lots of cars turning, I can't stand the sudden slowdown. I guess you are lucky in that you don't feel it - so your 4870 can last just a little longer lucky dog!

To me getting smooth 60 fps + is just a personal preference. I would always turn down the graphics settings to get 60fps in all the past racing games I played. I guess it's just me then.

 

[Phynaz]

You could of just said you were an ATi fanboi!, we would of understood then!

People in the CPU forum accuse me of being an Intel fanboy, and people in the video forum accuse me of being an AMD fanboy.

Priceless!

 

[evolucion8]

SolMiester, please stay on topic and stop accusing people of fanboyism, specially with your long history here in this forum. (You used to be a neutral guy enjoying your X1950PRO card and your Pentium 4 at that time before falling low in what you are know doing stuff like trolling and derailing threads)

Now, I wonder why the HD 4890 had such low fps in Dirt 2 at 1920x1080 fps with 2x FSAA.

 

[SolMiester]

Trust me I am serious about racing games. Dirt 2 is an arcade game, you don't need 60FPS to enjoy it or do well, 45/50fps is perfectly smooth to me. I also play GTR EVO, that is a serious racing game and that need a rock solid 60fps to be competitive (luckily I get over 120fps )

I bet i could beat you with my 40fps while your at 70fps

For the record, I don't use the 5770, thats my bros card.

Rfactor, now thats a serious racing game!