World U.S. Navy Issues Alcohol Ban on Sailors in Japan

[kage69]

you got a lot of rage against beer dude, are you a recovering alcoholic?

It's less about rage and more about not ignoring what it does to your body and society as a whole.

Rage would be understandable though, as I wouldn't begrudge anyone who loathes a substance shown to be more damaging than heroin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-in-the-united-states-and-its-not-even-close/

"Which intoxicating substance is associated with the most lethal violence? Devotees of the Wire might presume that cocaine or maybe heroin would top the list, especially if you asked the worst causes of violence in poor, minority communities.

The correct answer, by far, is alcohol. It’s involved in more homicides than pretty much every other substance, combined."

Want to screw yourself, possibly destroying career, family and friends along the way? Fine, just don't do it as enlisted.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Yep lets do it in the states😱 This is bull shit one size don't fit all! This is getting out of control no one is going to volunteer for any service if they keep this up.... maybe this is what the leadership wants! If that's the case they better be willing to step up the pay a hell of a lot more.

I hope getting drunk and being able to travel to Japan isn't your main selling point for joining the military...

 

[Smoblikat]

Alcohol isnt that important, and were talking about Americans here, im sure there are a few 12 packs stashed under someones cot that will be enjoyed quietly anyway. Maybe its just me, but this doesnt seem like that big of a deal. There are a whole bunch of adults over here in America that arent allowed to drink either, its called being between the ages of 18 and 20. You can sign your life away and be given a tool to kill, but you cant have a beer afterwards.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Alcohol abuse is a long standing issue for the US armed forces.

Stars and Stripes from the end of 2012:

"While some military doctors say they don’t believe troops binge drink or abuse alcohol more than their civilian counterparts, a recent report by the Institute of Medicine called drugs and alcohol abuse among troops a “public health crisis.” A report released by the Army in January reported that 43 percent of active-duty soldiers had admitted binge drinking within a month of the survey and that 67 percent of the binge drinkers were 17 to 25 years old.

The military’s alcohol-soaked culture plays out on weekends and on weeknights, in the apartments of noncommissioned officers, where subordinates guzzle liquor straight from the bottle; at bars in military towns, where recently promoted officers are expected to pick up the tab for the other officers in their command; in hotel rooms packed with underage servicemembers, where men and women wake up with hangovers and few memories of the night before; and at officers clubs and pubs around the world, where commanders buy rounds and rounds of beer to build camaraderie and esprit de corps.

It also shows up in war zones, where alcohol is prohibited but frequently comes hidden in mouthwash bottles or given to troops after battle. Brennan recalls the Marines in his unit — all ages — being given two beers and a shot to celebrate the Marine Corps birthday after the battle of Fallujah.

http://www.stripes.com/us-military-s-alcohol-soaked-culture-taking-toll-on-servicemembers-1.201959

Or this from 2013:

Substance Abuse in the Military

Members of the armed forces are not immune to the substance use problems that affect the rest of society. Although illicit drug use is lower among U.S. military personnel than among civilians, heavy alcohol and tobacco use, and especially prescription drug abuse, are much more prevalent and are on the rise.

Alcohol use is also higher among men and women in military service than among civilians. Almost half of active duty service members (47 percent) reported binge drinking in 2008—up from 35 percent in 1998. In 2008, 20 percent of military personnel reported binge drinking every week in the past month; the rate was considerably higher—27 percent—among those with high combat exposure.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/substance-abuse-in-military

 

[OutHouse]

Alcohol abuse is a long standing issue for the US armed forces.


It also shows up in war zones, where alcohol is prohibited but frequently comes hidden in mouthwash bottles or given to troops after battle. Brennan recalls the Marines in his unit — all ages — being given two beers and a shot to celebrate the Marine Corps birthday after the battle of

OMG the HORROR!!!!!


It's evident the you have never been drinking with Canadian or British infrantry... or been around a Australian F-111 squadron.

 

[Victorian Gray]

OMG the HORROR!!!!!


It's evident the you have never been drinking with Canadian or British infrantry...

You don't think these numbers indicate problems? The military establishment of your country seem to think they do.

Almost half of active duty service members (47 percent) reported binge drinking in 2008—up from 35 percent in 1998. In 2008, 20 percent of military personnel reported binge drinking every week in the past month; the rate was considerably higher—27 percent—among those with high combat exposure.

 

[Orignal Earl]

hahahahah my daughter is stationed in Japan, her ship went out to sea on Friday for the next 4 months. im sure the crew of the Reagan have been briefed on this but im going to email her the story anyway. HAHAHAHAHAH

AHAHAHAHA...Rape and Murder....AHAHAHA

American rape culture at it's finest

 

[norseamd]

Rage would be understandable though, as I wouldn't begrudge anyone who loathes a substance shown to be more damaging than heroin.

You are fucking retarded. The only reason why alcohol is "more damaging" than heroin is because of usage rates. If as many people used heroin as they do alcohol society couldnt even function to run liquor stores and grocery stores, let alone actually grow and process the food and alcohol.

 

[MajinCry]

AHAHAHAHA...Rape and Murder....AHAHAHA

American rape culture at it's finest

When you see how Americans treat people in their country, such as the Native Americans where 1 in 3 Native American women have reported that they've been raped, it's not much surprise that soldiers of the same soil are raping with impunity. Especially in the east, as we saw with Vietnam.

Soldier worship's pretty ingrained in American culture, and with it comes the trivialization of the soldiers' actions. It's okay for a soldier to rape a beloved patriot, right?

 

[1prophet]

When you see how Americans treat people in their country, such as the Native Americans where 1 in 3 Native American women have reported that they've been raped, it's not much surprise that soldiers of the same soil are raping with impunity. Especially in the east, as we saw with Vietnam.

Soldier worship's pretty ingrained in American culture, and with it comes the trivialization of the soldiers' actions. It's okay for a soldier to rape a beloved patriot, right?

People who live in the glass houses of the British Empire shouldn't be throwing stones.

http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/


Soldier worship indeed

On April 13, 1919, thousands of peaceful protesters defied a government order and demonstrated against British rule in Amritsar, India. Men, women, and children all descended on the walled Jallianwala Gardens, hoping to make their voices heard. What happened next was one of the lowest points in British history.

At 4.30pm, troops blocked the exits to the Garden and opened fire on the crowd. They kept firing until they ran out of ammunition. In the space of ten minutes, they killed between 379 and 1,000 protesters and injured another 1,100. A stampede caused a lethal crush by the blocked exits. Over 100 women and children who looked for safety in a well drowned. Rifle fire tore the rest to shreds.



When the news reached London, Parliament was so shocked it recalled the man who ordered the massacre, Brigadier Reginald Dyer. In a depressing twist of fate, the British public labeled him a hero and raised £26,000 (around $900,000 in today’s money) for “the man who saved India.” He died peacefully, convinced right to the end that his mindless slaughter had been morally justifiable.

 

[Orignal Earl]

When you see how Americans treat people in their country, such as the Native Americans where 1 in 3 Native American women have reported that they've been raped, it's not much surprise that soldiers of the same soil are raping with impunity. Especially in the east, as we saw with Vietnam.

Soldier worship's pretty ingrained in American culture, and with it comes the trivialization of the soldiers' actions. It's okay for a soldier to rape a beloved patriot, right?

It's like realibrad says though
American Catholics, Muslims, Blacks, Natives, Military etc can all belong to rape cultures as defined by brad
But America doesn't have a rape culture as defined by brad

 

[blankslate]

Ah, the military. "Here's one fuck up, so you're all punished".

Pretty much this. Now they need to allow other females to randomly smack her in the mouth from time to time until the ban is lifted. Just mho.


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[Blue_Max]

Trying to find where this bizarre thread became about 'rape culture'.

Hysterics, uncontrolled rage, zealotry, and complete madness.


...all over again.

 

[marincounty]

When I worked for the DOD in the 80's , and drug testing was newly instituted in the Navy, one of the chiefs on a carrier told me it really sucked because they got rid of all of the drug using sailors, and all he was left with was a bunch of drunks.

One of the ships, I'm not sure which one had like a 100 day tour, and as a special reward they flew out enough beer to the ship to give each sailor 1 or 2 beers. Wow, what assholes.
Meanwhile the British and Australian Navies have pubs on board the ships!

 

[Pulsar]

When you see how Americans treat people in their country, such as the Native Americans where 1 in 3 Native American women have reported that they've been raped, it's not much surprise that soldiers of the same soil are raping with impunity. Especially in the east, as we saw with Vietnam.

Soldier worship's pretty ingrained in American culture, and with it comes the trivialization of the soldiers' actions. It's okay for a soldier to rape a beloved patriot, right?

Wow. This thread just went full retard.

 

[mikeymikec]

nvm

- edit - argh! posting screwup

 

[mikeymikec]

People who live in the glass houses of the British Empire shouldn't be throwing stones.

http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/

Soldier worship indeed

I'd have no issue accepting that alcohol abuse and/or sexual abuse are issues in the British military, but do you think you could find some examples that are somewhat less than 50 years old? Otherwise it makes you look like a bit of a reactionary idiot. Examples that are less than 20 years old are a lot more likely to have any kind of bearing on the state of the military today.

 

[norseamd]

Wow. This thread just went full retard.

No, it didnt.

People who live in the glass houses of the British Empire shouldn't be throwing stones.

That may or may not be possibly relevant, but where does he live again?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Trying to find where this bizarre thread became about 'rape culture'.

Hysterics, uncontrolled rage, zealotry, and complete madness.


...all over again.

Right in the OP

The commander of the U.S. Naval Forces in Japan said a recent “trend” of alcohol-related incidents were “detrimental” to the alliance between the U.S. and Japan.

The recent trend of incidents is 70 years of rape and murder that Japanese citizens have been protesting (see my links and google hundreds more)

Rape culture- Behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, refusing to acknowledge the harm caused by some forms of sexual violence, or some combination of these.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture

 

[kage69]

You are fucking retarded. The only reason why alcohol is "more damaging" than heroin is because of usage rates. If as many people used heroin as they do alcohol society couldnt even function to run liquor stores and grocery stores, let alone actually grow and process the food and alcohol.

I'm sorry you have an issue with the reality of the situation, as well as the math behind it.

Enjoy that first beer of yours though, sounds like it's kicking in.

(Also, save your tough guy routine for when you're standing in front of me.)

 

[fskimospy]

When I worked for the DOD in the 80's , and drug testing was newly instituted in the Navy, one of the chiefs on a carrier told me it really sucked because they got rid of all of the drug using sailors, and all he was left with was a bunch of drunks.

One of the ships, I'm not sure which one had like a 100 day tour, and as a special reward they flew out enough beer to the ship to give each sailor 1 or 2 beers. Wow, what assholes.
Meanwhile the British and Australian Navies have pubs on board the ships!

That's actually a standard navy procedure from what I understand, I think the mark is usually 45 days or more straight underway time. We had one of those on my ship and it was the most awkward beer I've ever had in my life. We got threatened for about ten minutes about all the dire consequences that awaited us if we drank more than our allotted two beers, if we saved the beers for later, or if we were underage. Then we were told to enjoy ourselves!

The navy is filled with hard core drunks and the navy knows it. Despite having a policy for years that any 'alcohol related incident' is close to career suicide it hasn't changed much, or at least it hasn't when I was in.

 

[kage69]

You can sign your life away and be given a tool to kill, but you cant have a beer afterwards.

Such is life; full of curious dichotomies.

We trust enlisted to learn complex systems and tactics, expect them to handle being subject to deprivation, duress, and combat. But apparently we can't trust many of them not to sexually assault their female comrades, let alone host country nationals.

I'm all for tradition, don't get me wrong, but I'm also for not ignoring what happens when you mix booze with young men who train to fight and get bored.

 

[kage69]

Meanwhile the British and Australian Navies have pubs on board the ships!

Yeah the Aussies in particular...just, wow. They still have pubs, even after that big crack down not too long ago, but they used to have alcohol vending machines onboard!


I actually think a drink at sea, off duty, is fine. Just needs to be done smart, like the French. One drink a day, no exceptions.

 

[MajinCry]

People who live in the glass houses of the British Empire shouldn't be throwing stones.

http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/


Soldier worship indeed

Militaries are fucked in general. Nae problem with pointing out that the UK's got a fucked up one too, but yer trying to shift the blame. Note how this thread's about the US military, and not the UK's; it's right there in the title.

 

[blankslate]

Note how this thread's about the US military, and not the UK's; it's right there in the title.

There is also the concept of "staying in your lane" as in taking care of what you are responsible for...

It's fairly safe to say that most of the posters here (or at least the largest plurality) is from the U.S. We can't really criticize other military organizations for something while ours are doing the same things without pulling the hypocrite card.



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