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World may not be warming, say scientists

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Cyber - admit your 'side' of this discussion has changed tactics -at least be honest about that.

No one ever claimed the world has not been warming up for 11,000 years or more. You are pretending people have, and that is silly. The discussion has always been about the insignicance of man's attempts to change the climate.

Unless we try on purpose to change the climate, we will not change it.
 
Mono, I'll stack up on my side of this discussion all of the actual climate scientists vs your Dr. Judith Curry....which side do you think wins that comparison?

Cook does an excellent job of presenting the topics in ways that people can understand - show me 1 single piece of evidence to call his site a bullshit site?

You link to "Wattsupwiththat", a site, that at best, could be called the Rush Limbaugh of Climate Change discussions, but you are going to pick on John Cook? That's an interesting irony.

From the wiki on Anthony Watts, your superhero of Climate Science:

"Willard Anthony Watts (Anthony Watts) is a blogger, weathercaster and non-scientist, paid AGW denier who runs the website wattsupwiththat.com. He does not have a university qualification and has no climate credentials other than being a radio weather announcer. His website is parodied and debunked at the website wottsupwiththat.com Watts is on the payroll of the Heartland Institute, which itself is funded by polluting industries.[1]"

Ok, so that leaves you with Dr. Judith Curry - an admittedly very accomplished scientist...but I urge you to read this article she wrote in 2007:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../10/10/AR2007101002157.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Her stance on many of these issues has clearly done a 180 flip - perhaps coinciding with funding from a big energy company?

She has even gone off the deep end and recommended people read wattsupwiththat, which again, is total and complete garbage.

So pick on John Cook all you want...if we equate this to a game of war....we are both holding 20 cards...I've got all face cards and aces in my hand...you have 2's, 3's, 4's, and 5's.
 
cyber - no one has ever claimed we are not in a warming trend?

You are kidding, right?

Ever hear of the "hockey stick" term? Wasn't that all about manipulating data to show a trend that 'wasn't really there'?

I'm literally shocked that you - perhaps one of the 3 or 4 most frequent posting 'deniers' on this board - are now going to say the discussion has never been about if it's really getting warmer.

I'm literally speechless.
 
cyber - no one has ever claimed we are not in a warming trend?

You are kidding, right?

Ever hear of the "hockey stick" term? Wasn't that all about manipulating data to show a trend that 'wasn't really there'?

I'm literally shocked that you - perhaps one of the 3 or 4 most frequent posting 'deniers' on this board - are now going to say the discussion has never been about if it's really getting warmer.

I'm literally speechless.

Again, we all agree the world has been warming for the last 11,000 or so years. You will not find a single person who claims otherwise (well, maybe young earthers, but that is a different topic altogether).

Your claim that we have said otherwise is just silly.
 
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Yeah, that's what happens when you go to crappy sites like Skeptical Science, you get fed a ration of bullshit and lies.
 
I'm sorry Mono - what did I say that wasn't accurate? What did I miss about Watts?

Oh, and by the way - your link still thinks Climategate was/is still some kind of nail in the coffin to Climate Change.

You really just tried to defend "realclearpolitics" and "wattsupwiththat" without blinking, didn't you?
 
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Even the leading skeptic on your side Cyber - Judith Curry - agrees that the argument has shifted from "is it warming" to "what impact on the warming are we having".

You apparently were above all the other deniers though, knowing it was warming all along...right?
 
I'm sorry Mono - what did I say that wasn't accurate? What did I miss about Watts?

Oh, and by the way - your link still thinks Climategate was/is still some kind of nail in the coffin to Climate Change.

You really just tried to defend "realclearpolitics" and "wattsupwiththat" without blinking, didn't you?

I just asked for the link that you claimed was wikipedia and wasn't. I'm sure you got the info from SS, i just wanted the misinformation verified.
 
I can't resist Mono - let's look a bit closely at your ace in the hole, Anthony Watts.

Here are some gems from him that "prove global warming isn't real"

"Next to oxygen, CO2 is vital to all life on Earth as it sustains all vegetation which in turn sustains every creature that depends on it as a source of food"

Ok, so because plants consume it, the level of it doesn't matter?

"if a science museum (“the über green California Academy of Sciences&#8221😉 replaces a climate change exhibit in a space used for rotating exhibits, this proves that there is no Global Warming."

Really? That's hardcore science - no high school teacher could possibly come up with such deep stuff....

How about the release of documents from the Heartland Institute, showing that he received(es) money from them? He's all up-in-arms about that, but how is that any different from the 'Climategate' actions were hackers acquired emails?

Peter G was the source of those documents, which have been confirmed to be genuine. I suppose he forged all of that stuff?

It was about a year ago that Watts assured the world he was going to prove the temperature records were wrong - not only that - but had been intentionally tampered with...what happened to that?
 
my source on the Watts "wiki" was not SS - do this for me - find me one outright lie on Skeptical Science - find me one that isn't in the comments section of some article.

Find one article on there that contains outright lies.

I can find them ALL OVER Wattsupwiththat

Since you apparently can't use Google, here's the link to the comment about Watts:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Anthony_Watts
 
It wasn't wikipedia like you claimed. It also has errors, but no big deal, you're used to spewing errors. Sourcewatch, lol.
 
sorry, it looked like a wiki page

Does Watts have a college degree? No.

Is Watts any more qualified that Cook to discuss matters of Climate science?

Is Cook shown to be on the payroll of the Heartland institute?

How you can laugh at any website when you are linking to watts site - that's quite the contradiction there
 
and since you got your panties in a wad about me doing google work for you, I'll be waiting on you to show me all of the lies and misinformation on skeptical science....won't be holding my breath though
 
and since you got your panties in a wad about me doing google work for you, I'll be waiting on you to show me all of the lies and misinformation on skeptical science....won't be holding my breath though

You get your science from the same type of places that you get your politics -Sourcewatch-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceWatch

SourceWatch (formerly Disinfopedia) is an online wiki that is a collaborative project of the liberal[1] Center for Media and Democracy........

http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/201...st-pielke-sr-misinforms-high-school-students/

http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.c...keptical-science-on-a-series-of-weblog-posts/

None of this will matter to you, but I posted it anyways. Just stick to the science and when you're wrong i'll post links to the correct information.
 
wiki or not - what isn't factual that's on it?

You caught me, I purposely said it was a wiki page when it wasn't......

still waiting for all of those errors and lies on skeptical science mono...any day now...
 
wiki or not - what isn't factual that's on it?

You caught me, I purposely said it was a wiki page when it wasn't......

still waiting for all of those errors and lies on skeptical science mono...any day now...

I posted a couple of links. Here's part of Dr. Pielke Sr. response to Skeptical Science.

My Final Comments

I appreciated the opportunity to engage on SkS, and will ask them a couple of further questions this week, but find they still persist in an argumentative manner of debate. Instead of focusing on areas of agreement, they repeatedly argue (often with snarky tone) the same points over and over again. Instead of accepting there is disagreement, they dogmatically insist that they are right. I suspect many readers turn off SkS because of the tone they use in the comments. That is too bad, as a site that accepts the IPCC but is willing to constructively and courteously debate science issues, is very much-needed. Hopefully, SkS will work to improve the tone of their weblog, and recognize that you can disagree on issues, but still respect those you are debating with. Snarky comments are not constructive.

Full articles at the link.
 
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http://www.skepticalscience.com/pielke-sks-disagreements-open-questions.html
for SKS's response

still waiting for lies and outright fabrications on Sks - WUWT, on the other hand, has them almost every day - see the difference?

You're wrong and no i won't agree with you. You didn't even see my links I had posted for hours because you wouldn't click my links and then you post SS response without even reading Dr. Pielke Sr. or Tisdale's articles. Why would I even bother when you won't even read linked information?

Like I said earlier I'm just going to pay attention and post about the science and when you link lies and misinformation to people i'll send them to links or post the accurate information. You're angry not because of the science, but because of your politics in this matter.

BTW This is the fringe skeptical site that equals the quality and accuracy of your favorite site Skeptical Science. They're both on equal footing as regards to accuracy as far as i'm concerned.
http://www.climatedepot.com/
 
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Even the leading skeptic on your side Cybr - Judith Curry - agrees that the argument has shifted from "is it warming" to "what impact on the warming are we having".

You apparently were above all the other deniers though, knowing it was warming all along...right?


Again, it is obvious to everyone that the planet has been warming up for the last 11,000 years at least, maybe longer. The lack of glaciers covering most of the Northern Hemisphere is pretty good proof of this.

I am not sure why you keep pretending people are saying the world has not been warming up. When it obviously has been warming up. The discussion has always been about the also obvious lack of man's contributions to the warming.

Maybe you are talking about only a very very very very very very very very very very small snippet of time, say the last several hundred years. Is that the limitation you are putting on the discussion?
 
Again, it is obvious to everyone that the planet has been warming up for the last 11,000 years at least, maybe longer. The lack of glaciers covering most of the Northern Hemisphere is pretty good proof of this.

I am not sure why you keep pretending people are saying the world has not been warming up. When it obviously has been warming up. The discussion has always been about the also obvious lack of man's contributions to the warming.

Maybe you are talking about only a very very very very very very very very very very small snippet of time, say the last several hundred years. Is that the limitation you are putting on the discussion?

If, as you claim, "it is obvious to everyone that the planet has been warming up for the last 11,000 years at least," then why is the title of this thread, "World may not be warming, say scientists."

Ha ha ha, you're pretty confused.
 
If, as you claim, "it is obvious to everyone that the planet has been warming up for the last 11,000 years at least," then why is the title of this thread, "World may not be warming, say scientists."

It may have stopped warming, who knows?

You are aware that that natural cycle does not include the earth turning into a big round ball of molten planet, right? At some point, it stops warming and starts cooling...with a short period of stable temps in there. I thought this was obvious, as it has happend repeatedly in the past.

Since I will assume you actually know the world will not turn into a big ball of molten planet, and that you actually know all warming periods stop and then a cooling period starts, I am left wondering why you would think the planet would not stop warming at some point?

Why do you think this?
 
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