World may not be warming, say scientists

[shira]

Again, it is obvious to everyone that the planet has been warming up for the last 11,000 years at least, maybe longer. The lack of glaciers covering most of the Northern Hemisphere is pretty good proof of this.

I am not sure why you keep pretending people are saying the world has not been warming up. When it obviously has been warming up. The discussion has always been about the also obvious lack of man's contributions to the warming.

Maybe you are talking about only a very very very very very very very very very very small snippet of time, say the last several hundred years. Is that the limitation you are putting on the discussion?

If, as you claim, "it is obvious to everyone that the planet has been warming up for the last 11,000 years at least," then why is the title of this thread, "World may not be warming, say scientists."

Ha ha ha, you're pretty confused.

It may have stopped warming, who knows?

You are aware that that natural cycle does not include the earth turning into a big round ball of molten planet, right? At some point, it stops warming and starts cooling...with a short period of stable temps in there. I thought this was obvious, as it has happend repeatedly in the past.

Since I will assume you actually know the world will not turn into a big ball of molten planet, and that you actually know all warming periods stop and then a cooling period starts, I am left wondering why you would think the planet would not stop warming at some point?

Why do you think this?

I've reported this intellectually fraudulent post or yours to the mods. Keep putting false conclusions of your own devising in other's mouths. Go ahead. Keep it up.

 

[Ninjahedge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mevxenJ6Mtc

Calm down Harry.....

 

[SparkyJJO]

I've reported this intellectually fraudulent post or yours to the mods. Keep putting false conclusions of your own devising in other's mouths. Go ahead. Keep it up.

😕

 

[monovillage]

I've reported this intellectually fraudulent post or yours to the mods. Keep putting false conclusions of your own devising in other's mouths. Go ahead. Keep it up.

Whoa. lol.

 

[Ninjahedge]

It ain't worth a LoL.

Cyber is trolling and he caught someone. He (shira) has the right to get angry, although I really do not see where he can get him on a violation.

This is more a behavior than an isolated post issue here.

 

[monovillage]

It ain't worth a LoL.

Cyber is trolling and he caught someone. He (shira) has the right to get angry, although I really do not see where he can get him on a violation.

This is more a behavior than an isolated post issue here.

I agree with most of your post, but it did make me lol in rl.

 

[ericlp]

you know when they start showing the satellite images of ice growing by a considerable margin ... I'll be jumping for joy. That's where the proof is and so far it's not happening. Tho I wish it were!

 

[monovillage]

you know when they start showing the satellite images of ice growing by a considerable margin ... I'll be jumping for joy. That's where the proof is and so far it's not happening. Tho I wish it were!

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png


http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png

 

[BudAshes]

We should be more worried about destroying our planet 1 parking lot at a time and one McDonalds run at a time than global warming. Humans have already created a mass extinction event and we are just getting started.

 

[Paul98]

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png


http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png

Once again even after pointed out that these mean nothing you still end up posting them?

 

[NeoV]

Mono - you do realize the difference between sea ice and land ice, correct? Why do you keep posting links that only discuss one of them?

do you feel that is proof of anything?

 

[cybrsage]

I've reported this intellectually fraudulent post or yours to the mods. Keep putting false conclusions of your own devising in other's mouths. Go ahead. Keep it up.

😀 Go for it. To show fraud, you would have to do nothing less than prove the planet has not been warming for the last 11,000 years. I look forward to you showing that.

 

[cybrsage]

Whoa. lol.

It ain't worth a LoL.

Cyber is trolling and he caught someone. He (shira) has the right to get angry, although I really do not see where he can get him on a violation.

This is more a behavior than an isolated post issue here.

I agree with most of your post, but it did make me lol in rl.

Well, it IS true the planet has been warming for the last 11,000 years and not a single person (with the possible exception of Shira) would claim it has not been.

It is possible the warming has stopped, and we are now in the slightly wobbly period at the top, after which it the temps will go back down and glaciers will reclaim half of the northern hemisphere.

So when someone says "the world may not be warming", this does not mean they are saying the world has not been warming for the last 11,000 years (as I said, everyone but possibly Shira agrees it has been warming), it means we may have hit the top of the naturally existing cycle.

I thought that was easy to understand, which is why it baffles me that Shira gets all bent out of shape over it, as if it is as confusing as quantum mechanics to most people or soap to the French.

I would get angry too, if I had such a hard time understanding something so simple, so I understand why is angry.

 

[BudAshes]

http://news.yahoo.com/already-very-record-breaking-hot-070315035.html

 

[monovillage]

http://news.yahoo.com/already-very-record-breaking-hot-070315035.html

From the "weather is not climate department". First the refutation of it from the IPCC.
http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/SREX/
The IPCC report on extremes, Working groups 1 & 2

Then a handy article on it from a scientist who's specialty is climate extremes and disasters.
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2012/03/handy-bullshit-button-on-disasters-and.html

Even this story on the record setting snows in Anchorage don't apply.
http://news.yahoo.com/alaskas-largest-city-breaks-seasonal-snow-record-003833082.html

 

[Paul98]

http://news.yahoo.com/already-very-record-breaking-hot-070315035.html

These are the sort of things that don't prove anything, other than it was the hottest march on record in the USA. It says nothing about man made global warming, or really anything about the overall world temperature.

 

[Ninjahedge]

p98, it is, at best, circumstantial evidence that may, when combined with other stats, show a global climate change.

I am not saying they are any more valid than chuckleheads saying "Huh huh! Global Warming! Lookit the snow out there! Huh huh huh!", but it is something to watch.

 

[BudAshes]

From the "weather is not climate department". First the refutation of it from the IPCC.
http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/SREX/
The IPCC report on extremes, Working groups 1 & 2

Then a handy article on it from a scientist who's specialty is climate extremes and disasters.
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2012/03/handy-bullshit-button-on-disasters-and.html

Even this story on the record setting snows in Anchorage don't apply.
http://news.yahoo.com/alaskas-largest-city-breaks-seasonal-snow-record-003833082.html

There's no arguing with the fact that we have changed the chemical composition of the atmosphere and that we are warming the oceans. The question is whether it's enough to be a threat to human life on earth. I don't think it is, but to deny it all together is retarded.

 

[monovillage]

I''ll believe anything as long as you can provide the evidence and the proof.

 

[shira]

I''ll believe anything as long as you can provide the evidence and the proof.

Think for a moment about your request for proof: You say you'll believe that MMCC is true if provided with proof. But you already believe that MMCC is NOT true - without any proof.

Your position seems biased. An honest position would be, "I don't know, but I'll believe the position that provides the most evidence." Of course, if you took THAT position you'd believe in MMCC, because the available evidence overwhelmingly supports MMCC.

 

[Jaskalas]

http://news.yahoo.com/already-very-record-breaking-hot-070315035.html

I'll take your hot weather and raise you a cold weather.

Anchorage breaks seasonal snow record last set in 1955.

Neither weather events are climate, nor could they ever be considered as such.

 

[monovillage]

Think for a moment about your request for proof: You say you'll believe that MMCC is true if provided with proof. But you already believe that MMCC is NOT true - without any proof.

Your position seems biased. An honest position would be, "I don't know, but I'll believe the position that provides the most evidence." Of course, if you took THAT position you'd believe in MMCC, because the available evidence overwhelmingly supports MMCC.

If you have evidence and proof, then put it out there. Models are not evidence or proof.

"an honest position..." You wouldn't know what that position was.

 

[BudAshes]

I'll take your hot weather and raise you a cold weather.

Anchorage breaks seasonal snow record last set in 1955.

Neither weather events are climate, nor could they ever be considered as such.

I know it's a big thread but someone just posted that link.

 

[Matt1970]

So what do we do about countries like Russia and China that are laying waste to thier environments?

 

[jpeyton]