work schedule changed, kinda owns...

[xeemzor]

Not salaried analysts. Consultants, sure. I get bombarded through linked in almost daily for Consultant jobs that I can 1099 for $110 an hour. But they are 2-6 month contracts, no benefits and I'm on the road for 5-6 days a week. Not conductive to family life.

After doing 3-5 years of EPIC consulting do you have a reasonable shot at a hospital management job? Or is that a separate skillset?

 

[edro]

Congrats!

Employers who don't offer flex schedules are archaic and it is bad for the employees.
My current employer says 8-5, no matter what.
I used to work 7-4 which was so much better for traffic, like you said.

My dad was in manufacturing, so he worked 5-2:30. It was great for family life.
I wish we had flex schedules.

 

[olds]

Woke up about 2 AM this morning.
I used to love my 6 AM - 2:30 PM shift. Zero traffic.
Now I work 7 AM - 3:30 PM but often stay longer. Or come in earlier.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

My employer is I dont care what you work, how you work, where you work... as long as shit gets done.\

The problem is getting shit done can be 10-12 hour days sometimes Regardless, it's not too bad. Most people come in ~9-10.

says the guy who says he routinely workd 50+ hour weeks lol.

What does that have to do with what time we start? Point still being that if I want to go home early (along with anyone else that works for an accounting firm), you get shit done. And that starts as soon as you wake up. You have a lot to learn in life if you think 50 hour work weeks are something scary.

 

[PricklyPete]

I've been on that schedule for a few years now and I highly recommend it.

 

[purbeast0]

My employer is I dont care what you work, how you work, where you work... as long as shit gets done.\

The problem is getting shit done can be 10-12 hour days sometimes Regardless, it's not too bad. Most people come in ~9-10.





What does that have to do with what time we start? Point still being that if I want to go home early (along with anyone else that works for an accounting firm), you get shit done. And that starts as soon as you wake up. You have a lot to learn in life if you think 50 hour work weeks are something scary.

thanks, i'll take notes from you and vdubchaos about "life lessons" so i can move on up to the east side with you all.

i think you just mad that you think working 50+ hours a week is some kind of badge of honor or something. any job that requires 50+ hours of work a week is one that i would never take.

EDIT:

hell any job that requires over 40 hours a week i would never take, which is why the #1 question i ask when being interviewed at the "do you have any questions for us" part is about the typical work week hours and if they require more than 40 ever.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Funny how priorities in life change when you have kids. :biggrin:

Just wait another 5....10........15 years, my posts will make more sense as you go.

hehe

 

[purbeast0]

Funny how priorities in life change when you have kids. :biggrin:

Just wait another 5....10........15 years, my posts will make more sense as you go.

hehe

sorry, i will never want to live like the croods.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Funny how priorities in life change when you have kids. :biggrin:

Just wait another 5....10........15 years, my posts will make more sense as you go.

hehe

Our posts will make more sense when he wants to get past his salary cap some day.

...Or get a promotion....

Or get anywhere notable in life past desk jockey.

 

[xeemzor]

thanks, i'll take notes from you and vdubchaos about "life lessons" so i can move on up to the east side with you all.

i think you just mad that you think working 50+ hours a week is some kind of badge of honor or something. any job that requires 50+ hours of work a week is one that i would never take.

EDIT:

hell any job that requires over 40 hours a week i would never take, which is why the #1 question i ask when being interviewed at the "do you have any questions for us" part is about the typical work week hours and if they require more than 40 ever.

It all depends on what you are looking for. A 50+ hour work week is good if you are trying to learn a new skillset or start a company. It's not great if you stagnating in middle management and are looking to "prove" yourself. I don't have a family so it's not a big deal for me to change jobs every few years or work longer hours and well worth the trade off.

 

[purbeast0]

Our posts will make more sense when he wants to get past his salary cap some day.

...Or get a promotion....

Or get anywhere notable in life past desk jockey.

i just got a promotion in january or february, forget which month it was.

funny talking about salary caps when you work 50+ hours a week regularly, so your salary is artificially inflated because you are working 50+ hours a week.

considering i now make $15k more than i did when i started at this company 2 years ago, i'm not too concerned with a salary cap at this point.

but thanks for playing, please come again!

 

[purbeast0]

It all depends on what you are looking for. A 50+ hour work week is good if you are trying to learn a new skillset or start a company. It's not great if you stagnating in middle management and are looking to "prove" yourself. I don't have a family so it's not a big deal for me to change jobs every few years or work longer hours and well worth the trade off.

i'm not knocking anybody for working 50+ hours on their own business, or at a startup with an end game that is different than working a "normal" job, not by any means. i'm talking about the 50+ hour workers who get paid a salary based on 40/hr work week, which is about 99% of the people in the workforce working more than 40/hr a week, and the guy in this thread i'm discussing this with. and yes i made that 99% number up.

they are the "badge of honor" people who think they should be looked up to because they work 50 hours a week, when in reality, they are working for free once they are over 40 hours. or they aren't worth nearly as much as they think they are.

 

[PricklyPete]

You have a lot to learn in life if you think 50 hour work weeks are something scary.

I believe it is you who has a lot to learn in life.

 

[purbeast0]

I believe it is you who has a lot to learn in life.

he is too stubborn to learn anything.

 

[PricklyPete]

he is too stubborn to learn anything.

Maybe if he thinks about it for 50+ hours...nah, never mind.

 

[nageov3t]

i'm not knocking anybody for working 50+ hours on their own business, or at a startup with an end game that is different than working a "normal" job, not by any means. i'm talking about the 50+ hour workers who get paid a salary based on 40/hr work week, which is about 99% of the people in the workforce working more than 40/hr a week, and the guy in this thread i'm discussing this with. and yes i made that 99% number up.

they are the "badge of honor" people who think they should be looked up to because they work 50 hours a week, when in reality, they are working for free once they are over 40 hours. or they aren't worth nearly as much as they think they are.

yeah... my boss recruited me to my current job on the premise of "we're going to pay you a lot more, and unlike (the last place we worked at together), everyone here generally works a 35-hour week because we build our systems to not require emergency maintenance and panicked calls with vendors every night because we're driving them to the limit."

obviously the occasional weekend calls still crop up, but they've been few and far between so far. I feel like if one routinely ends up working 50+ hours/week short of mitigating circumstances (eg: a team working all-nighters the week before a big product launch), there's gotta be something wrong with either the product, time management, or the company's staffing.

 

[xeemzor]

i just got a promotion in january or february, forget which month it was.

funny talking about salary caps when you work 50+ hours a week regularly, so your salary is artificially inflated because you are working 50+ hours a week.

considering i now make $15k more than i did when i started at this company 2 years ago, i'm not too concerned with a salary cap at this point.

but thanks for playing, please come again!

Programmers do have a pretty low salary cap around here. It's rare that they make more than 125k outside of silicon valley unless in management or a superstar. Being in management, however, naturally requires more than 40 hours/week of work. Compare that to professional services where the average manager can easily make 150k+ with no salary cap or need to work in management.

I've looked at payroll data at numerous companies and I can say, without a doubt, that engineers and programmers get screwed hard. On average they get a decent starting and mid-level salary but easily get passed by other areas later on.

 

[xeemzor]

i'm not knocking anybody for working 50+ hours on their own business, or at a startup with an end game that is different than working a "normal" job, not by any means. i'm talking about the 50+ hour workers who get paid a salary based on 40/hr work week, which is about 99% of the people in the workforce working more than 40/hr a week, and the guy in this thread i'm discussing this with. and yes i made that 99% number up.

they are the "badge of honor" people who think they should be looked up to because they work 50 hours a week, when in reality, they are working for free once they are over 40 hours. or they aren't worth nearly as much as they think they are.

s0me0nesmind1 does pretty much the same work that I do: ERP implementation consulting. The exit ops from that kind of job are awesome and totally worth the hours you put in. Just the other day one of my co-worker left to become a CFO and another left to become a COO. Both are probably making 225k+ with stock options after ~8 years of experience and only an undergraduate degree. That's why people put in 50hr weeks.

 

[purbeast0]

Programmers do have a pretty low salary cap around here. It's rare that they make more than 125k outside of silicon valley unless in management or a superstar. Being in management, however, naturally requires more than 40 hours/week of work. Compare that to professional services where the average manager can easily make 150k+ with no salary cap or need to work in management.

I've looked at payroll data at numerous companies and I can say, without a doubt, that engineers and programmers get screwed hard. On average they get a decent starting and mid-level salary but easily get passed by other areas later on.

i'm a programmer (software dev/engineer) and make more than 125k and don't work more than 40 hours a week. i also am not in silicon valley. i'm also not a manager (nor do i want to be) but i am kind of a lead.

i know good companies are far and few between but all i can say is i'm glad i work for one that cares about it's employees and takes care of them.

if your salary sucks and you think you can make more, move.

also, many people think they are worth more than they are. if they were worth more, they would be getting paid that much.

 

[purbeast0]

s0me0nesmind1 does pretty much the same work that I do: ERP implementation consulting. The exit ops from that kind of job are awesome and totally worth the hours you put in. Just the other day one of my co-worker left to become a CFO and another left to become a COO. Both are probably making 225k+ with stock options after ~8 years of experience and only an undergraduate degree. That's why people put in 50hr weeks.

225k/yr working 60/hr work week is the equivalent to someone making 150k/yr working 40/hr a week. that 60/hr week person probably doesn't have time for vacations either, let alone much free time in general.

i'd gladly take the 150k/yr job over the 225k/yr job if it means working 1/3 less hours.

i work to live, not live to work.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Our posts will make more sense when he wants to get past his salary cap some day.

...Or get a promotion....

Or get anywhere notable in life past desk jockey.

There is more to life than making more money.....promotions....or whatever it is that your definition of "more than desk jockey".

Besides, chances are high that you cutting spending would be WAY easier than to make more money so you can waste it on more BS......

At what point is it enough? How much money is enough to you? You see, I'm sure there is no answer to that.

Human nature is to always want more and more....so even when you reach your "more money" and promotions.....and not be a desk jockey, you will want even more.

Richer you get, the more pressure/resources you will need just to SUSTAIN your lifestyle.

If you are not happy TODAY, you will never be happy with WHATEVER it is that you got (money, materialistic possessions etc).

If that's what tickles you, go nuts/more power to you. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[xeemzor]

225k/yr working 60/hr work week is the equivalent to someone making 150k/yr working 40/hr a week. that 60/hr week person probably doesn't have time for vacations either, let alone much free time in general.

i'd gladly take the 150k/yr job over the 225k/yr job if it means working 1/3 less hours.

i work to live, not live to work.

Did you miss the part about the options? Those have the potential to be worth millions if the company is successful. I would totally work those hours for a reasonable chance at a huge equity pay out in 5 to 8 years.

Programmers rarely get those kind of offers unless they are in management or are crucial for product development.

 

[Vdubchaos]

s0me0nesmind1 does pretty much the same work that I do: ERP implementation consulting. The exit ops from that kind of job are awesome and totally worth the hours you put in. Just the other day one of my co-worker left to become a CFO and another left to become a COO. Both are probably making 225k+ with stock options after ~8 years of experience and only an undergraduate degree. That's why people put in 50hr weeks.

I don't want to be a CFO or become a COO or whatever titles they might have.

I can't even imagine what I would do with so much money either.....

And working 50 hour weeks takes WAY too much time from my family, and to me that is priceless. No amount of money can sway me on that.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Did you miss the part about the options? Those have the potential to be worth millions if the company is successful. I would totally work those hours for a reasonable chance at a huge equity pay out in 5 to 8 years.

Programmers rarely get those kind of offers unless they are in management or are crucial for product development.

I see this all the time.

So you are saying that he should do something he doesn't want to do for more money.

He enjoys being a developer. Being in management = 0 development. Mostly managing people, which is probably one of the worst and annoying jobs one can have.

This happens in most professions too. To make "REALLY GOOD" money you do nothing in your field and just manage people/answer to higher ups/have more responsibility and anxiety/pressure in life.

That has 0 appeal TO ME.

if I was on my death bed TODAY, I would be a happy man and would change NOTHING in my life if I could go back. I dedicated most of my time to things I love and enjoy and made a great "moderation" between my job and family life.

How many people can say that in the mid 30s?

NOW, what would YOU say if you were on the deathbed? I wish I worked harder and chased more $$$ so I could've bought more things?

 

[purbeast0]

Did you miss the part about the options? Those have the potential to be worth millions if the company is successful. I would totally work those hours for a reasonable chance at a huge equity pay out in 5 to 8 years.

Programmers rarely get those kind of offers unless they are in management or are crucial for product development.

yeah i saw that, but that's just a benefit. other benefits come with other companies, as well as options. but yes, someone on the board probably will end up being worth millions, but could also be worth nothing.