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Work related advice needed

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Corporate Thug

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So, I just interviewed with a new company. I got a call back for a second interview. The partner I previously interviewed with said it was a formality and they will offer me the position after the second "interview."

Anyway, I'm conflicted. My current job has a some perks (1) security - I know boss man outside of work (2) close to home (less than a mile) (3) incredibly friendly environment, esp. for a "corporate" environment.

The new job is 15 miles in each direction; no nepotism; stricter office settings/expectations from employees. But of course there is a plus side: the pay. I'm not talking about a minuscule amount either: it's in the ball park of a 30-35 increase from my pay now + merit based bonuses. Also, I see more growth potential w/ the new job, although that's just a gut feeling and a bit speculative.

What does ATOT think?

Normally, I wouldn't lament over the decision much but my current job basically gave me my "first shot" so I think I harbor more than usual loyalty, against my better business judgment.

EDIT: New company officially made the offer today...gonna take it back to the boss to see the response.


UPDATE: E-mailed the powers that be w/ all the details and related grievances. Long meeting scheduled for Tuesday, it's not going to be pretty.
 
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Hacp said:
Ask for a raise.
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I got a raise in Nov. and even if I didn't, I don't they would give me anything comparable. Also, I wouldn't present the idea to the company on the premise that I have a better offer. Even if I get a pay bump, they'll question my loyalty/motives from that point forward. So either I maintain the status quo or move on, nothing in between.
 
You have to do what's best for you and your family (assuming you have one). Loyalty is nice, but at the end of the day, your current company would cut you in a heartbeat if they thought it was beneficial to them. You have to act the same way.

Do you know anyone who works at this company you're interviewing with? Do you have a feel for the office culture? How about work/life balance?
 
IndyColtsFan said:
You have to do what's best for you and your family (assuming you have one). Loyalty is nice, but at the end of the day, your current company would cut you in a heartbeat if they thought it was beneficial to them. You have to act the same way.

Do you know anyone who works at this company you're interviewing with? Do you have a feel for the office culture? How about work/life balance?
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That's just the thing - I don't think they would let me go. Even though we may be losing a huge client, I was told that it has no effect on my security.

I don't know anyone @ the new company but the work hours were made very clear (about the same, maybe a tad more than my current position). Having been in the office a few times, I just get the feeling that it's more of a traditional corporate (i.e. colder) setting.
 
Corporate Thug said:
That's just the thing - I don't think they would let me go. Even though we may be losing a huge client, I was told that it has no effect on my security.
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You know your company best. But I will say, I've seen people assured that they wouldn't be losing their jobs and then in a matter of weeks, they were let go.

I don't know anyone @ the new company but the work hours were made very clear (about the same, maybe a tad more than my current position). Having been in the office a few times, I just get the feeling that it's more of a traditional corporate (i.e. colder) setting.
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Never trade quality of life for more money. If you are seriously concerned that you'll be miserable at the new place and you enjoy your current company and coworkers, I'd stay where you are. Do you have lawyer friends at other firms who may know more information about the place you're interviewing with?

On the other hand, you can't be afraid to take some chances in life in order to get ahead. A 35% raise is huge. You just have to determine where your priorities lie.
 
Work is work. I say go for it as the "cons" aren't really anything too substantial and the pay is quite huge.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
You know your company best. But I will say, I've seen people assured that they wouldn't be losing their jobs and then in a matter of weeks, they were let go.



Never trade quality of life for more money. If you are seriously concerned that you'll be miserable at the new place and you enjoy your current company and coworkers, I'd stay where you are. Do you have lawyer friends at other firms who may know more information about the place you're interviewing with?

On the other hand, you can't be afraid to take some chances in life in order to get ahead. A 35% raise is huge. You just have to determine where your priorities lie.
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I'm just speculating about the office environment although, all things consider, I don't consider a traditional office setting a huge draw back. The new firm is small so I don't anyone has any real knowledge that's worth a damn. I guess I'll play my cards, wait for th offer, see EXACTLY how much money is on the table (who have been talking rough numbers up until this point) and the benefits package.

I was I had a family...I could easily have stated that its for their well being that I'm moving on...
 
No family and you're in your 20s right? Take the money. Use it to pay down debt/increase savings or whatever. Your cons are pretty insignificant. The growth potential + huge base salary increase + yearly bonus should make the decision easy. I'd make the move in a heartbeat.
 
OP, you and I should talk sometime. I am in the exact same boat, though my offer is with a smaller more stable firm that is ~40 minutes from where I live (normal commute in New Hampshire).

FWIW, I am accepting the new gig tomorrow. It offers me a lot more in the way of stability and career growth potential. For a long time, I thought my current company was going to implode, so I took my time deciding to accept. I wanted to make sure that this was the best decision for my family, and not overly colored by the fact that I so desperately want something more secure than my current full time job.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
You know your company best. But I will say, I've seen people assured that they wouldn't be losing their jobs and then in a matter of weeks, they were let go.



Never trade quality of life for more money. If you are seriously concerned that you'll be miserable at the new place and you enjoy your current company and coworkers, I'd stay where you are. Do you have lawyer friends at other firms who may know more information about the place you're interviewing with?

On the other hand, you can't be afraid to take some chances in life in order to get ahead. A 35% raise is huge. You just have to determine where your priorities lie.
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35% more pay is 35% closer to retirement
 
soxfan said:
OP, you and I should talk sometime. I am in the exact same boat, though my offer is with a smaller more stable firm that is ~40 minutes from where I live (normal commute in New Hampshire).

FWIW, I am accepting the new gig tomorrow. It offers me a lot more in the way of stability and career growth potential. For a long time, I thought my current company was going to implode, so I took my time deciding to accept. I wanted to make sure that this was the best decision for my family, and not overly colored by the fact that I so desperately want something more secure than my current full time job.
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Sounds like we are in the same boat (minus the imploding part!). Best of luck to you in the new position. I would love to compare notes to see how your situation works out vs. mine.
 
Never underestimate the value of the "perks" in your current job. Money is always nice, but having a great boss, loyalty going both ways, peace of mind, friendliness, etc. may outweigh the increase in pay. Is it worth the additional stress that it comes with?

Maybe you can use some of these "perks" to help the boss expand business, explore other avenues or revenue streams, find creative ways to expand, etc. that can be of benefit to both of you. This could be an opportunity for you to show your boss what you are capable of achieving versus just being "another cog in a larger wheel".
 
Quality of life is the most important thing. If you have one now you need to be careful. I left an 8-4 office job for a 5-5 outside operations job. My quality of life is awful now working 65ish hour weeks and night shift. The money is nice considering I am making nearly double what I was getting before but it's not worth it. I would go back in a heart beat if they would offer me the equivalent of a 20-25% pay CUT.
 
EMPshockwave82 said:
Quality of life is the most important thing. If you have one now you need to be careful. I left an 8-4 office job for a 5-5 outside operations job. My quality of life is awful now working 65ish hour weeks and night shift. The money is nice considering I am making nearly double what I was getting before but it's not worth it. I would go back in a heart beat if they would offer me the equivalent of a 20-25% pay CUT.
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As far as hours are concerned, they are very comparable (if not identical) with the exception of the added commute of course.
 
JPS35 said:
Never underestimate the value of the "perks" in your current job. Money is always nice, but having a great boss, loyalty going both ways, peace of mind, friendliness, etc. may outweigh the increase in pay. Is it worth the additional stress that it comes with?

Maybe you can use some of these "perks" to help the boss expand business, explore other avenues or revenue streams, find creative ways to expand, etc. that can be of benefit to both of you. This could be an opportunity for you to show your boss what you are capable of achieving versus just being "another cog in a larger wheel".
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I do agree with you but its hard to keep morale up when you are overworked and underpaid. First one in and last one out, and smallest paycheck to boot. Not a good feeling.
 
Corporate Thug said:
As far as hours are concerned, they are very comparable (if not identical) with the exception of the added commute of course.
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15 miles isn't bad. Even in Chicago I drive 20 miles each way to get to work (i290 from the suburbs) and it's only 25 minutes to get there. The job I had before was 8 blocks. Now that was nice.


If hours are comparable and pay is considerably more you won't even notice that 20-25 minute drive.
 
Only you can weigh the pros and cons of the new offer, but the fact that you were looking for a new position tells me you are able to make a change.
 
for another 35k a year I would take it and pay off all bills (including house) while maxing out your Roth and 401k.

Work to live, not live to work.
 
Go where the work takes you - dont stay in a comfortable environment just because its comfortable. The only reasons you should consider staying there are experience, challenge, growth and lastly money.

If you arent learning anything where you are now, then go. If you are still learning, even if the pay isnt as good, then stay.
 
bfdd said:
35% more pay is 35% closer to retirement
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It is, but if you're absolutely miserable, it isn't worth it. Life is about more than just retirement. Retirement may never come, so you should try new things, travel, and enjoy life when you're young and physically able to as well.

CT could accept the new job, leave, and be miserable. Or he could leave, enjoy it, and make more money in the process. Only he can answer that question.

I will say this, however. A few years ago, my department was consolidated at my last company. I was moved into a different role, one that I had no desire to fill. My options were to possibly transfer (was not guaranteed), accept the role, or leave. I ended up leaving even though it was a pay cut. I think I made the right decision, though it was certainly a hard one to make.
 
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honestly, i see no cons whatsoever. i'm only reading that there *might* be a different environment. everything else is a pro. so stay on good terms at your old job and take the new one. worst case, you get a little wiser and take your old job back.
 
Ancalagon44 said:
Go where the work takes you - dont stay in a comfortable environment just because its comfortable. The only reasons you should consider staying there are experience, challenge, growth and lastly money.

If you arent learning anything where you are now, then go. If you are still learning, even if the pay isnt as good, then stay.
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Life is trial and error.
The less trials you put yourself through, the more errors you're going to make. (Not meant is a lawerly way...)
 
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