Lithium381
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Sure thing Atres21 . . .some businesses are running THIN margins to begin with . . this is just going to push them into the red and that's game over for their business
Sure thing Atres21 . . .some businesses are running THIN margins to begin with . . this is just going to push them into the red and that's game over for their business
You make a good point, a business that already does not provide benefits, runs on margins so thin they can't afford the cost of healthcare for their employees.
So they have everyone part time to avoid the legality of providing benefits.
This is not a new concept businesses have been doing it for years.
This obvious solution is more mandates.
Sí, se puede!
- Cover part time employees.
- Price controls.
- ???
- Profit!
I don't know, but one thing's for sure.
If business owners cut employees because of additional overhead of Obamacare, it can only be because they're greedy bastards.
You make a good point, a business that already does not provide benefits, runs on margins so thin they can't afford the cost of healthcare for their employees.
So they have everyone part time to avoid the legality of providing benefits.
This is not a new concept businesses have been doing it for years.
And here they are cutting hours because of government mandated costs.
Who suffers; the employee!
Or does no one suffers in the end game because the employment figures get artificially increased.
yeap. its nothing new. i remember friend's in high school complaining because they would get 32 hours a week. This was at Walmart, target, Fast food (all of them) etc. They would get 31.5 hours then sent home.
being under you were still considered part time. then you didn't get any benefits (well some but not insurance).
this ain't new and is going to increase with the cost of having full time employees. small places aren't going to keep them when it will be cheaper to just have more part timers.
or close up like ch33swiz showed.
Also a single payer system would eliminate all of these issues.
Yep, put corporatist hacks in charge of healthcare reform and this is what you get. Both free marketers and socialists were locked out of the debate when the conservative Dem Congress sat down and wote this dog of a law. So we got the worst possible outcome - mandated private insurance.
No it would not, not in the US as it exists today. The Masters and Prophets in DC can't get this simple thing right, could not anticipate the consequences, refused to do the necessary research and show no signs of being willing to do so. There is no project too big or small that is not secondary to political concerns here and by giving these people complete irrevocable control it will fix everything? That's True Believer thinking.
I do think when is comes to running national programs the government does an ok job, with lots of room for improvement. They run the largest military in the world, social security, Medicare etc.
While none are without some real serious faults, I don't but the meme the government will just run it horribly.
One thing us obvious, the existing system is bad, ACA is bad.
And I'll state for the record the entire idea of a pure profit based healthcare system is terrible.
Why can't we have a single payer system paid for with taxes, and give you the ability to opt out and keep your private insurance?
Darden was one of roughly 1,200 companies that were granted waivers that exempted them from having to comply with the new law until 2014.
2 very simple reasons why we can not.
First who is going to pay for it? 47% don't pay federal income taxes right now and this country is running trillion dollar deficits. Where is this trillion dollars going to come from to pay for it? The middle class who are getting raped in taxes right now? My employer would be laughing to the bank as they get to pocket 10k and my family gets a nice 10k tax bill. It would be basically a 20% pay cut for the whole middle class.
That and all it would take is 1 liberal judge in California to say illegals are entitled to it just like they did schools. Everyone in south America with cancer or any serious illness would cross the border and bankrupt the country. Drop 10 million illegals on any country with single payer and see how long it would last.
Why would they announce this now?Darden was one of roughly 1,200 companies that were granted waivers that exempted them from having to comply with the new law until 2014.
I do think when is comes to running national programs the government does an ok job, with lots of room for improvement. They run the largest military in the world, social security, Medicare etc.
While none are without some real serious faults, I don't but the meme the government will just run it horribly.
One thing us obvious, the existing system is bad, ACA is bad.
And I'll state for the record the entire idea of a pure profit based healthcare system is terrible.
Why can't we have a single payer system paid for with taxes, and give you the ability to opt out and keep your private insurance?
Hmm... worked as a server for over 10 years and was never offered 40 hours a week/benefits. Every restaurant I ever worked always made sure the servers were always a below FT benefits position job. Some of the more senior chefs and the floor and GM's were the only ones getting benefits. Even the great Chuck Muer himself wouldn't pay his servers benefits. Hmm... nothing has gone into effect yet until 2014 and have waivers yet this is an issue now. Yep... this is because of Obamacare...
The costs of providing plans were to expensive.
Any idea what the costs of a basic health plan that you may have costs your employer?
You make a good point, a business that already does not provide benefits, runs on margins so thin they can't afford the cost of healthcare for their employees.
So they have everyone part time to avoid the legality of providing benefits.
This is not a new concept businesses have been doing it for years.
Yep this is. If you think it was bad before you have seen nothing yet. Defend the King!
So how do you propose we cover these people who work for employers with such thin margins? How about public health insurance? Oh but that's socialism and we can't have that.
If the rest of the civilized world can provide health care to everyone, why can't we? Are they just better than us? Are their businessmen smarter? More successful? What?