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Woohooo Let the 2012 polling begin!!!! First head to head poll out already

ProfJohn

Lifer
This is the first head to head poll I have seen, maybe there are others.

I would say this is a bad sign for Obama since Romney is an unknown to a lot of people, especially independents and Democrats.

Obama really needs the economy to turn around or he will end up being Jimmy Carter part 2.
The one advantage he does have is that there are another 3.5 years till the election and that gives a LONG time for the economy to recover.

http://www.rasmussenreports.co...t_45_obama_48_palin_42
If the 2012 presidential election were held today, President Obama and possible Republican nominee Mitt Romney would be all tied up at 45% each, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.
The president, seeking a second four-year term, beats another potential GOP rival, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, by six points ? 48% to 42%.
In both match-ups, seven percent (7%) like some other candidate, with three percent (3%) undecided.
Palin is second only to Romney as the presidential candidate Republican voters say right now that they?ll vote for in 2012 state GOP primaries. But she?s also one of two candidates they least hope wins the party?s nomination.
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Just 21% of voters nationwide say Palin should run as an independent if she loses the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. Sixty-three percent (63%) say the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee should not run as an independent. Sixteen percent (16%) are not sure.
If Romney secured the GOP nomination and Palin chose to run as an independent candidate, Obama would win the resulting three-way race with 44% of the vote. Romney is the choice of 33% of the voters under that scenario, with Palin a distant third with 16% support. Three percent (3%) like some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided.
Last November, Obama defeated Republican presidential nominee John McCain by a 53% to 46% margin.
When Romney is the Republican nominee, he beats Obama among unaffiliated voters 48% to 41%. But when Palin is the GOP candidate, unaffiliated voters prefer Obama by a 47% to 41% margin.
Men prefer the Republican over Obama whether it?s Romney or Palin, while women like the president better in both match-ups. Palin continues to fare more poorly among women than her male rivals.
In a three-way race, Palin hurts Romney by drawing 28% Republican support. Romney captures 52% of the GOP vote in that scenario.
In a three way race, unaffiliated voters break 40% for the president, 39% for Romney and 14% for Palin.
Nearly one-third of Republicans (32%) say Palin should run as an independent is she fails to get the party?s nomination.
But 40% of Republican voters say Palin?s decision to resign as governor of Alaska hurts her chances of winning the party?s presidential nomination in 2012.
Those who say economic and fiscal issues are their biggest concerns make up the majority of Republican voters, and Romney runs best among those voters if the 2012 GOP Presidential Primary in their state was held today. Palin is the top choice for those Republicans who put national security first and ties Romney for first among voters who list economic issues alone as the priority.
In mid-May, 37% of Republican voters said their party was leaderless, but this was a major improvement from March when 68% felt that way.
 
I wouldn't vote for Palin, but the last few weeks convince me that the present crop of politicians need to go. The government wants control, and I don't want them to have it.

Please, give me a good alternative.
 
uh... fitting you would use rasmussen.... The most republican biased poll in existence. Reaching at straws are we?

LOLFAIL.
 
Polls like this make me want to smash my face into the wall until my eyes fall out.

It has been 6 months and we're talking about the 2012 election :roll:? Give me a f***ing break!
 
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I wouldn't vote for Palin, but the last few weeks convince me that the present crop of politicians need to go. The government wants control, and I don't want them to have it.

Please, give me a good alternative.

I can agree on that.
 
2012 is to far off. I am more worried about 2010 and the republicans getting enough seats back to gridlock DC for a few years.
 
Originally posted by: quest55720
2012 is to far off. I am more worried about 2010 and the republicans getting enough seats back to gridlock DC for a few years.

I'll do my part 😀
 
Originally posted by: quest55720
2012 is to far off. I am more worried about 2010 and the republicans getting enough seats back to gridlock DC for a few years.
Well it looks like the blue dog Democrats are going to stop the heathcare and Cap and Tax bills and that might be enough to save the Democrat party from a repeat of 1994.

I think there are enough Democrats around who understand that vote to raise taxes will be the end of their career. I think they learned their lesson after watching what happened to the people who votes for the Bill Clinton tax increase in 1993.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: quest55720
2012 is to far off. I am more worried about 2010 and the republicans getting enough seats back to gridlock DC for a few years.
Well it looks like the blue dog Democrats are going to stop the heathcare and Cap and Tax bills and that might be enough to save the Democrat party from a repeat of 1994.

I think there are enough Democrats around who understand that vote to raise taxes will be the end of their career. I think they learned their lesson after watching what happened to the people who votes for the Bill Clinton tax increase in 1993.

I don't think Democrats can win if they don't get a Health Care bill passed. The base will simply not turn out.
I already wrote to DNC and told them not to bother asking me for my vote or my money if they don't get anything done on health care reform. If I wanted to vote for a party that will sell out all its principles once it gets elected, I'd be a Republican.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: quest55720
2012 is to far off. I am more worried about 2010 and the republicans getting enough seats back to gridlock DC for a few years.
Well it looks like the blue dog Democrats are going to stop the heathcare and Cap and Tax bills and that might be enough to save the Democrat party from a repeat of 1994.

I think there are enough Democrats around who understand that vote to raise taxes will be the end of their career. I think they learned their lesson after watching what happened to the people who votes for the Bill Clinton tax increase in 1993.

I just wish the blue dogs could get back control of the party from the far far left.
 
Oh look, a 3rd consecutive election for ProfJohn to get wrong. If you include 2010 that'll be 4 in a row.

edit: Rasmussen is notoriously right-leaning anyway so the results aren't surprising btw.
 
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Polls like this make me want to smash my face into the wall until my eyes fall out.

It has been 6 months and we're talking about the 2012 election :roll:? Give me a f***ing break!

agreed. And in just 18 months, it's going to get worse. a lot worse.
 
Originally posted by: Evan
Oh look, a 3rd consecutive election for ProfJohn to get wrong. If you include 2010 that'll be 4 in a row.

edit: Rasmussen is notoriously right-leaning anyway so the results aren't surprising btw.
So true.

Around this time last year, ProJo was pulling polls out of his hat that showed McCain having a chance.

McCain got clobbered.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: quest55720
2012 is to far off. I am more worried about 2010 and the republicans getting enough seats back to gridlock DC for a few years.
Well it looks like the blue dog Democrats are going to stop the heathcare and Cap and Tax bills and that might be enough to save the Democrat party from a repeat of 1994.

I think there are enough Democrats around who understand that vote to raise taxes will be the end of their career. I think they learned their lesson after watching what happened to the people who votes for the Bill Clinton tax increase in 1993.


That's what we need:disgust: more of the same, politico's voting based purely on their re-election chances and not giving a damn about whats good for the country. Thats exactly why we are in this current mess.

The majority in this country voted the dems into a supermajority with a mandate for change, and these blue dogs will press for comprimize(Pelosi already proposed raising to >1mm+) but if they have any future political aspirations beyond their own districts they won't dare cross the party line.

The repubs should get smart and focus on shaping the input, because health care reform of some sort will pass this year, with 60 votes or even 51 if necessary. There current strategy of defeat UHC and sink the dems in 2010 and Obama in 2012 is basically letting the dems design the plan of their chosing while the rebups are campaigning for future elections.

Or are they perhaps afraid that if UHC in any form passes this year, that by November of next year millions of Americans will have health insurance for the first time and the GOP will get further trounced in the mid-terms?

 
"If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."
-- Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC)
 
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Polls like this make me want to smash my face into the wall until my eyes fall out.

It has been 6 months and we're talking about the 2012 election :roll:? Give me a f***ing break!

agreed. And in just 18 months, it's going to get worse. a lot worse.

almost as if people have been putting 2012 slogans on their sigs since the swearing in ceremony was being concluded.
 
I don't think Democrats can win if they don't get a Health Care bill passed. The base will simply not turn out. I already wrote to DNC and told them not to bother asking me for my vote or my money if they don't get anything done on health care reform. If I wanted to vote for a party that will sell out all its principles once it gets elected, I'd be a Republican.
Or perhaps you are starting to realize that neither party is capable of delivering on its promises. I honestly hoped Obama would go after Congress with a big stick, but the Democrats even with a majority are starting to splinter, as they have in the past.

Similarly, why would you want Congress to push through an inherently flawed Health Care bill. In an attempt to appear decisive, credible and productive, the Democrats are walking a thin line. If they pass a rushed and flawed bill through to meet an arbitrary goal, they will spend the next 4 years attempting to repair their mistake.
 
Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Polls like this make me want to smash my face into the wall until my eyes fall out.

It has been 6 months and we're talking about the 2012 election :roll:? Give me a f***ing break!

agreed. And in just 18 months, it's going to get worse. a lot worse.

almost as if people have been putting 2012 slogans on their sigs since the swearing in ceremony was being concluded.
/looks at political statements in sigs of people replying to this thread so far

Obama/Biden 2012

90% tax on the rich, what made this country great! Then Kennedy dropped it to 70% and it's been down hill ever since. Conservative's worst nightmare; a successful Obama Presidency. Rush Limbaugh the American Osama Bin Laden.

lol
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I don't think Democrats can win if they don't get a Health Care bill passed. The base will simply not turn out. I already wrote to DNC and told them not to bother asking me for my vote or my money if they don't get anything done on health care reform. If I wanted to vote for a party that will sell out all its principles once it gets elected, I'd be a Republican.
Or perhaps you are starting to realize that neither party is capable of delivering on its promises. I honestly hoped Obama would go after Congress with a big stick, but the Democrats even with a majority are starting to splinter, as they have in the past.

Similarly, why would you want Congress to push through an inherently flawed Health Care bill. In an attempt to appear decisive, credible and productive, the Democrats are walking a thin line. If they pass a rushed and flawed bill through to meet an arbitrary goal, they will spend the next 4 years attempting to repair their mistake.

Because status quo is even more inherently flawed and unsustainable in the long term. I am all for taking time if that's going to produce a better bill. But we all know that it's just more time for lobbyists to corrupt the legislation and lobby against it. The bill is not going to get better by being tossed around a few more months. What we cannot afford is another failure to do anything on health care reform because we let perfect be the enemy of good.
 
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Polls like this make me want to smash my face into the wall until my eyes fall out.

It has been 6 months and we're talking about the 2012 election :roll:? Give me a f***ing break!

QFT
 
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