Women Increasingly Freezing Their Eggs To Pursue Their Careers

[Texashiker]

Why complain? Obamacare.

From the recent numbers I heard, something like 1 in 80 kids are diagnosed with some form of autism.

Who is going to take care of those children later in life? A good number of them are signing up on social security disability. Social security disability is going broke while society pats women on the back for having kids later in life?

Women and men are both postponing having kids until later in life. As a result more kids are being born with autism and other birth defects.

Somehow this is a good thing? How is it good that a woman puts her career ahead of having healthy children?

How can we tell a woman "good job on being a lawyer", when her child with austim is going to be on government benefits for the rest of its life?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I have no idea how that works to be honest. I think it's a great point. I'm not sure how to answer it.

However in the US you either work or quit your job. That's quite different than keeping your job, taking paid maternity/paternity leave, raising your own child, and coming back to your position.

Never heard of the Family Medical Leave Act? US Law says that companies with more than 50 employees must give women who have given birth 12 weeks of unpaid leave. Some companies either pay or have disability insurance that allow women to go on short term disability (100% pay) for the 12 weeks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternity_leave_in_the_United_States

 

[AViking]

Unpaid. And it's limited. My state is actually one of the better states but if you compare to the rest of the developed world where you get paid leave and much longer it's a far cry from what is needed.

No offense but 12 weeks is pathetic. I'm sure there's a graph somewhere that can illustrate it with more vigor.

 

[nehalem256]

Unpaid. And it's limited. My state is actually one of the better states but if you compare to the rest of the developed world where you get paid leave and much longer it's a far cry from what is needed.

No offense but 12 weeks is pathetic. I'm sure there's a graph somewhere that can illustrate it with more vigor.

And why should I be responsible for paying women not to work?

Its called choice. Not get whatever you want and force other people to pay for it.

 

[Texashiker]

And why should I be responsible for paying women not to work?

A people can be measured by how well they take care of the weak.

We have been measured and have been found to be lacking.

We should take care of women who have children, the children, the disabled and the elderly. Those are the groups who need our help and our protection.

 

[momeNt]

From the recent numbers I heard, something like 1 in 80 kids are diagnosed with some form of autism.

Who is going to take care of those children later in life? A good number of them are signing up on social security disability. Social security disability is going broke while society pats women on the back for having kids later in life?

Women and men are both postponing having kids until later in life. As a result more kids are being born with autism and other birth defects.

Somehow this is a good thing? How is it good that a woman puts her career ahead of having healthy children?

How can we tell a woman "good job on being a lawyer", when her child with austim is going to be on government benefits for the rest of its life?

We need a society with more taxpayers because of the burden that a single breadwinning society (babyboomers) has put on us, if that also comes with minor setbacks, like autism or other birth defects and increased SSDI costs, that's okay, because the increase of the second taxpayer in each household far outweighs it in the aggregate.

Once we pay off the babyboomers, women can go back to the home, and start having healthy children. But right now this is similar to war time but instead of Rosie the Riveter, it is Boardroom Betty.

 

[momeNt]

And why should I be responsible for paying women not to work?

Its called choice. Not get whatever you want and force other people to pay for it.

Society is a team game, put on a jersey, a foam hand, and your beer hat, and start cheering!

 

[Texashiker]

Once we pay off the babyboomers, women can go back to the home, and start having healthy children. But right now this is similar to war time but instead of Rosie the Riveter, it is Boardroom Betty.

I kinda smiled when I read that.

Wouldn't it be nice if a single wage earner could support the whole family? A time when mothers could have kids when they were still young and healthy?

As for paying off the baby boomers, I doubt that will ever happen. No group is will to make the sacrifice. The rich are not willign to pay more in taxes, nobody wants to give up their government perks.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Unpaid. And it's limited. My state is actually one of the better states but if you compare to the rest of the developed world where you get paid leave and much longer it's a far cry from what is needed.

No offense but 12 weeks is pathetic. I'm sure there's a graph somewhere that can illustrate it with more vigor.

Most women I've worked with over the past 23 years are normally back to work before the 12 weeks so it must not be a far cry from what's needed. These same women were receiving short term disability so they were paid a normal paycheck while they were out.

 

[z1ggy]

I kinda smiled when I read that.

Wouldn't it be nice if a single wage earner could support the whole family? A time when mothers could have kids when they were still young and healthy?

As for paying off the baby boomers, I doubt that will ever happen. No group is will to make the sacrifice. The rich are not willign to pay more in taxes, nobody wants to give up their government perks.

Is this whole austism thing being caused by mothers carrying the kids at an older age, or because the egg that turns into a child is genetically older than ones she released when she was 25?

I don't know the answer because I'm asking and don't feel like googling.

Reason I'm asking is because if it's the egg that is the reason and simply not just the age of the woman, than implanting her own frozen eggs from age 25 should not result in an increased risk of austism, especially if the sperm used to fertilize the egg is frozen sperm from a father who was also younger. Essentially the baby that is born time traveled from the past to the future.

 

[AViking]

Most women I've worked with over the past 23 years are normally back to work before the 12 weeks so it must not be a far cry from what's needed. These same women were receiving short term disability so they were paid a normal paycheck while they were out.

Yeah well that was my experience as well. They would come back to work before even fully healing and be lactating on themselves. You think this is normal? The 12 weeks is a law from the 1990's. There was an article I read, that I'll have to find, where they were saying that many women return to work within 1 month and a vast majority did not use the full 12 weeks. I can't remember why.

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...ff_is_healthiest_for_babies_and_mothers_.html

 

[SheHateMe]

At 35, you should still be able to have kids. No need to freeze eggs. Heck, Halle Berry has two kids and she is in her mid 40s. At that age, they start telling you that your kids might come out with some handicaps

 

[AViking]

We're actually ranked 34th for infant mortality so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a correlation here.

 

[nehalem256]

Society is a team game, put on a jersey, a foam hand, and your beer hat, and start cheering!

Exactly what I am saying. Society is a team game.

Time for women to start carrying their weight instead of expecting men to pay for their life choices.

 

[AViking]

By charting death rates against those historical changes, while controlling for health care spending, health insurance, and wealth, the authors were able to attribute a 20 percent dip in infant deaths to a 10-week extension in paid leave. The biggest drop was in deaths of babies between 2 and 12 months, but deaths between 1 and 5 years also went down as paid leave went up. So what was the optimal amount of time off, according to all this research? According to Christopher Ruhm, the author of the first European study, paid leave of about 40 weeks saved the most lives.

And the article actually brings it up.

 

[AViking]

Exactly what I am saying. Society is a team game.

Time for women to start carrying their weight instead of expecting men to pay for their life choices.

You're either a master troll or mentally retarded.

 

[Texashiker]

Reason I'm asking is because if it's the egg that is the reason and simply not just the age of the woman, than implanting her own frozen eggs from age 25 should not result in an increased risk of austism, especially if the sperm used to fertilize the egg is frozen sperm from a father who was also younger. Essentially the baby that is born time traveled from the past to the future.

That is a good question which I do not know.

It is not just the womans age, the mans age also plays a very important role in birth defects.

Chances are a woman in her 30s and 40s is not going to find a young stud to fertilizer her eggs. She is going to find someone "around" her age to have children with.

My complaint is not the woman freezing her eggs, but having an older man fertilizer her eggs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/h...to-risk-of-autism-and-schizophrenia.html?_r=0

Older men are more likely than young ones to father a child who develops autism or schizophrenia, because of random mutations that become more numerous with advancing paternal age, scientists reported on Wednesday, in the first study to quantify the effect as it builds each year.

The age of mothers had no bearing on the risk for these disorders, the study found.

Freezing her eggs might improve her chances of getting pregnant later in life, but is going to go do very little at preventing birth defects.

 

[nehalem256]

You're either a master troll or mentally retarded.

Treating women as equals is mentally retarded now?

Women wanted to be independent from men. I am giving them exactly what they asked for.

 

[momeNt]

Exactly what I am saying. Society is a team game.

Time for women to start carrying their weight instead of expecting men to pay for their life choices.

Women carry more than their own weight. They carry the future generations in their womb, and feed them from their ample bosoms.

All of that requires extra weight that they must carry. Maybe you can't put a dollar value on it, but I suppose if you calculate the net benefits they receive from the rest of society, that would be pretty close to it.

I suppose if births and nurturing could be accomplished without women, everything could be split right down the middle in terms of taxes paid/taxes received, but it isn't.

 

[smakme7757]

I don't have a problem with freezing eggs, but I'd hope people would think realistically about having children once they past 35. Even though the eggs are frozen your body still ages. Children take a lot of time and energy. Getting older doesn't make that any easier.

 

[nehalem256]

Women carry more than their own weight. They carry the future generations in their womb, and feed them from their ample bosoms.

They do that because they want to. Society is not forcing women to carry children.

Its a CHOICE!. And choices have consequences.

I suppose if births and nurturing could be accomplished without women, everything could be split right down the middle in terms of taxes paid/taxes received, but it isn't.

Nurturing absolutely can be accomplished without women you sexist asshole.