Women in Sport - Get Naked to be Noticed

Murpheeee

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Interesting editorial from SI.......it would be funny if it weren't so true.

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If you are a woman, there are only three ways to get the sports world to notice you:

1. Strip down to your panties and bra and wrestle over beer.

2. Play crappy tennis but look hot pulling the second ball out of your briefs.

3. Tweak Hootie's nose.

Break records? Win at unthinkable rates? Push the envelope of female athletic achievement? Forget it, sweetheart! How 'bout a boob job?

Exhibit A: The Connecticut women's basketball team wins its 55th straight game last Saturday, breaking the alltime women's record. But unless you happened to get the feed from the Connecticut Public Television network, you couldn't see the game live. ESPN will show men fishing heroically, and Fox will show a man trying to outrun a giraffe, but televise one of the landmark events in women's hoops history? Sorry, baby, you haven't come a long way.

Exhibit B: Tennessee's women's basketball genius Pat Summitt quietly wins her 800th game on Tuesday of last week, becoming the first woman and only the fourth Division I coach to do it. Nationally, it made all the splash of a marshmallow landing in a bog. When North Carolina's Dean Smith hit 800 in 1994, there was so much coverage, you'd have thought he'd just returned from Mars.

"I'm surprised she hasn't gotten more attention for it," says no less than John Wooden, the former UCLA coach who is one of Summitt's biggest fans. "She's only 50. She could win many, many more games." In fact if she coaches as long as Smith did -- until she's 66 -- and keeps winning at her current pace, she'd blow by Smith like he was roadkill and wind up with more than 1,200 wins. Hey, maybe then she'd get on Live with Regis and Kelly!

Exhibit C: At the Australian Open, Serena Williams tries to win her fourth consecutive major -- the Serena Slam, if you will -- and America barely looks up from Joe Millionaire. Of course when Tiger Woods completed his Tiger Slam at the Masters in 2001, a national holiday was nearly declared.

You remember Tiger, right? Used to be Most Dominating Golfer in the World? Not anymore. That title belongs to Exhibit D: Annika Sorenstam, who is coming off one of the most brain-bending seasons since Byron Nelson in 1945. The Ice Queen of Sweden won more than half her starts last year, 13 victories in 25 tournaments around the world. Tiger in 2002? He won six of 22 starts.

You mean you didn't see her on the cover of TIME? Or this magazine? Or Golf Digest? Or Golf? Or on the Today show? Or Letterman or Leno? No? Maybe that's because it never happened. "If Tiger had a year like Annika," says LPGA player Jill McGill, "they'd reschedule sunsets for him."

Sorenstam's agent, Mark Steinberg, also happens to represent Tiger. "She and I talk about it all the time," Steinberg says. "She'd love to have more opportunities, but what can you do?" Last year Tiger did whip Sorenstam in one department. He earned more than $60 million in endorsements to her $2.5 million. Hey, Annika, ever tried a short tennis skirt?

And forget anybody having heard of Exhibit E: Paula Radcliffe. All she did in October was run a marathon in 2 hours, 17 minutes, not only shattering the women's world record but also narrowing to 12 minutes the gap between the men's and women's best times. That means, in the past 40 years, women have improved their record by more than an hour and men by nine minutes. (And to think they used to warn women not to run because their uteruses might fall out.)

All of this crinkles the nose of Exhibit F: Gail Goestenkors, coach of the No. 1 women's basketball team in the land, Duke, which also happened to have the No. 1-ranked men's team last week. The Duke men have sold out every home game since 1990. The Duke women have never sold out.

It doesn't bother the unsquashable Coach G. "We play for ourselves," she says, "for our own excellence." In fact the only opponent who really scares her is George W. Bush. "I'm afraid he's going to change Title IX," she says of the law that requires equal opportunity for men and women to participate in sports at schools that receive federal funding. "He's talking about making [compliance] voluntary. That would be a travesty."

She would know. In seventh grade her school did not have a girls' track team, so she had to run on the boys' squad. The guys hated her for it, and when she'd get into the starting blocks, they would comment on her butt. Or the way she looked in her shorts. "We can't lose Title IX," she says, "because I know what girls would have to go back to."

True, Title IX has caused brutal cuts in men's sports over the past 30 years. But women suffered for 100 years without it. As Wooden says, "The problem with Title IX is that it started way too late. I wouldn't want anything to happen to that program."

A piece of advice, Mr. President: Don't touch Title IX, because the only thing women resent more than being ignored is being denied.

Issue date: January 27, 2003

Sports Illustrated senior writer Rick Reilly pens the weekly Life of Reilly column in the magazine.

 

Nitemare

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The Tennessee coach can keep her clothes on....please

The only women's sports that get shown regularly are women's tennis. When other female sports require their athletes to where short skirts, wet t-shirts and grunt periodically...you will be surprised by the Nielson ratings...
 

Spooner

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settle down feminists.

It's not TV's fault. We don't want to watch women's sports. It's not interesting. Deal with it.

If we did, they'd be on TV.

All of the preceeding accolomades listed are great. Anyone care? No.


Now that women's football league that's supposed to be coming on soon. THAT i'll watch! :D
 

wnied

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Next time try just having a link instead of reprinting the damned thing.

This isnt just a problem in sports....its a problem in everything women do. Seems the more skin you show, the more publicity/legitimacy you get. Hence why more porn actresses seem to be known than female athletes.

Put that in your freudian pipe and smoke it.
~wnied~
 

I have to be honest: Women's b-ball and similar sports are so freakin' boring. I don't think it's because women are not as good as men. I think it's because the sports management is training women to play so dull and selecting those who play that way. Women are just as capable of playing like the guys. I just want to turn off the TV all day rather than watch women's b-ball. I can manage men's b-ball, but never women's.

As for the naked thing: It isn't just in sports industry that it puts you at an advantage. The music, fashion and other industries are like that. If you're willing to do outrageous things, you get a step ahead of people with actual talents relevant to the field.

"Now that women's football league that's supposed to be coming on soon. THAT i'll watch!"

Oh really? What makes you think they'll be worth your time and play like pros? Are you a soothsayer? :/ Hehe! :p
 

Stark

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ESPN is geared towards men.

90% of women's sports drive men away... ice skating, women's b-ball, softball, soccer (both men's and womens), gymnastics, the list goes on and on. When a woman can beat a man in a sport with the same rules, we might start watching. Until then, it's like watching the JV game instead of Varsity.
 

Spooner

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Originally posted by: luvly
"Now that women's football league that's supposed to be coming on soon. THAT i'll watch!"
Oh really? What makes you think they'll be worth your time and play like pros? Are you a soothsayer? :/ Hehe! :p
they will most certainly NOT play like the pros, but a whole buncha women tacklin each other in football uniforms just sounds funny to me.

Prediction: i will get sick of it and change it before the second play.

 

Ameesh

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have you ever watched a wbna game without falling asleep? those are soooooo boring.
 

pulse8

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Oh really? What makes you think they'll be worth your time and play like pros?
For football it doesn't matter.

What they don't realize is that guys are the demographic for sports and men just play them better. If they want to make a women's sport popular, it needs to either be tennis or they have to be touching each other.


A LOT.
 

DeafeningSilence

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Bogus.

I'm a sports fan, and I knew about all those women and their achievements.

If he's talking about the casual American sports fan, and how that person wouldn't know about Annika Sorenstam... well, that fan probably doesn't know much about hockey, or men's or women's tennis either. What's his point? They don't follow everything... otherwise they wouldn't be called casual fans.

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edit: p.s. - O'Reilly specializes in getting attention. Looks like he'll get it again. And since when do the Miller Lite beer girls have anything to do with sports?
 

yowolabi

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Women's basketball is pretty boring. No one wants to watch it. If there was a demand, it'd be on t.v.. There's no conspiracy to stop people from going to Duke women's basketball games, it's just not as exciting. Women's tennis is something I watch just as quickly as men's tennis. Not because of the skirts, but because the quality of play is just as good as with the men. Especially since the Williams sisters have been playing.


I can't argue with Title IX being necessary, but I don't think there's anyone to blame for people not wanting to watch women's sports with the same passion as men's sports.
 

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When women can start hitting 500 feet homeruns, doing two handed behind the head gorilla slams, 300 yard drives, and rushing for 300 yard games against NFL defensive players, then you *might* start seeing a little more interest in their sports.

Until then, I blame it ON WOMEN. Why aren't women supporting their own? Instead of watching the WNBA, they'd rather watch the Bachelorette or Days of Our Lives.

You don't see any soap opera producers tearing their hair out because only 8% of their viewing audience are men.
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
When women can start hitting 500 feet homeruns, doing two handed behind the head gorilla slams, 300 yard drives, and rushing for 300 yard games against NFL defensive players, then you *might* start seeing a little more interest in their sports.

Until then, I blame it ON WOMEN. Why aren't women supporting their own? Instead of watching the WNBA, they'd rather watch the Bachelorette or Days of Our Lives.

You don't see any soap opera producers tearing their hair out because only 8% of their viewing audience are men.

heheheh good points
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
When women can start hitting 500 feet homeruns, doing two handed behind the head gorilla slams, 300 yard drives, and rushing for 300 yard games against NFL defensive players, then you *might* start seeing a little more interest in their sports.

Until then, I blame it ON WOMEN. Why aren't women supporting their own? Instead of watching the WNBA, they'd rather watch the Bachelorette or Days of Our Lives.

You don't see any soap opera producers tearing their hair out because only 8% of their viewing audience are men.

Someone give this man a prize!!!!!! :D

Well said.
 

"90% of women's sports drive men away... ice skating, women's b-ball, softball, soccer (both men's and womens), gymnastics, the list goes on and on."

I don't know what you're talking about. Women's gymnastics is my favourite "sport" on TV. I love it. Anytime I try watching men's gymnastics, my attention doesn't last. The women win in that field. I also like ice and figure skating, but not as much as gymnastics. As for the rest on your life, I agree.

Edit: Ooops! I apologise. I meant "list", not "life". :eek:
 

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Originally posted by: luvly
"90% of women's sports drive men away... ice skating, women's b-ball, softball, soccer (both men's and womens), gymnastics, the list goes on and on."

I don't know what you're talking about. Women's gymnastics is my favourite "sport" on TV. I love it. Anytime I try watching men's gymnastics, my attention doesn't last. The women win in that field. I also like ice and figure skating, but not as much as gymnastics. As for the rest on your life, I agree.
So.....you're actually male? How interesting.

 

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Yah, I hate to say it cuz I really do try to make an effort to watch women's sports to give it a chance, b'ball especially.

It just doesn't excite me.

One sport I do watch more women than mens is tennis. Why guys have to play up to 5 sets is sooo long. Women matches are done in an hour or two and there is a lot of action on the court where as the guys just take turn trying to hit each others serve that is coming at them 120+ miles an hour.

However, b'ball, golf, etc, the mens games just have the edge. Would you rather watch a fastbreak that ends in an alley oop or sick reverse slam or a fast break that ends in a lay up?
 

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Originally posted by: luvly
"90% of women's sports drive men away... ice skating, women's b-ball, softball, soccer (both men's and womens), gymnastics, the list goes on and on."

I don't know what you're talking about. Women's gymnastics is my favourite "sport" on TV. I love it. Anytime I try watching men's gymnastics, my attention doesn't last. The women win in that field. I also like ice and figure skating, but not as much as gymnastics. As for the rest on your life, I agree.

women's figure skating definitely gets good ratings and is a big revenue generator for the networks...but maybe that's partly b/c women figure skaters wear those skimpy outfits.....
 

"So.....you're actually male? How interesting."

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When did you do the operation, Dr. Fausto1? LOL! :D Or you mean only men watch women's gymnastics and [ice or figure] skating? :Q
 

rh71

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WAIT JUST A MINUTE here... I'm still trying to lobby ESPN to show more NHL hockey...

what does that prove? It's not really about men vs. women vs. sport vs. competitiveness. It's about ratings (how many non-fans can actually follow the puck on tv? ... hence they don't watch it and there's little demand). They aren't biased towards men... they're biased towards what actually is watched (demanded of) more.
 

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Originally posted by: luvly
"So.....you're actually male? How interesting."

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When did you do the operation, Dr. Fausto1? LOL! :D Or you mean only men watch women's gymnastics and [ice or figure] skating? :Q
I drew my conclusion as follows:

Vi-edit: "90% of women's sports drive men away..."

Luvly: "I don't know what you're talking about. Women's gymnastics is my favourite "sport" on TV."


Women's sports drive men away + Luvly likes women's sports on TV = Luvly is male? :confused:



....or did I miss something? I'm in GA remember, so prone to being a bit slow sometimes. :p
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
When women can start hitting 500 feet homeruns, doing two handed behind the head gorilla slams, 300 yard drives, and rushing for 300 yard games against NFL defensive players, then you *might* start seeing a little more interest in their sports.

Until then, I blame it ON WOMEN. Why aren't women supporting their own? Instead of watching the WNBA, they'd rather watch the Bachelorette or Days of Our Lives.

You don't see any soap opera producers tearing their hair out because only 8% of their viewing audience are men.

Give the man a prize :)
 

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The only sport I am really interested in watching is football. Its nothing against women sports, I am just not interested. I'm not interested in any of the women who strip down and play sports any more than Tiger Woods during his prime.
 

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I can't argue with Title IX being necessary, but I don't think there's anyone to blame for people not wanting to watch women's sports with the same passion as men's sports.

actually Title IX is a problem. It's ridiculous to require schools to put JUST as much money into female sports as into male sports. that's just LUDICROUS.

even w/ society changing as quickly as it is, 100 years from now, there will STILL be more men interested in sports than women. It's not culture that dictates that. it's just a simple fact of life, MEN are more into competitive sports than women. to try and legislate that is LUDICROUS at best.

 

Storm

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I have to agree with DeafeningSilence. If you're not more than a casual sports fan you would have heard of those female sports achievements.

I think the only female sporting event I can watch is college women's volleyball. College basketball both mens and women isnt that exciting for me. Same with college football. I can watch those but it doesnt hold my attention like volleyball does. *shurgs*